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Post by Pugsley on Jan 7, 2024 16:19:41 GMT
Is it because she has 102 caps for England, scored 33 goals, 3 Cyprus Cups, a World Cup Bronze medal, a Euros runner up medal, Won 3 Women’s Super League titles ,3 Women’s FA Cups, 1 Women’s Serie A title, 1 Women’s Coppa Italia, and various individual awards? Yes maybe🤣🤔 Done far more in the game than the likes of Goodman, LeTissier, Nicholas, Dublin etc. She's not very good at punditry, but neither were most of those never have beens. I mean, Dion Dublin. WTAF?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 7, 2024 16:28:16 GMT
Done far more in the game than the likes of Goodman, LeTissier, Nicholas, Dublin etc. She's not very good at punditry, but neither were most of those never have beens. I mean, Dion Dublin. WTAF? So would they have in that standard But I totally agree about Dublin
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 7, 2024 16:32:09 GMT
Done far more in the game than the likes of Goodman, LeTissier, Nicholas, Dublin etc. She's not very good at punditry, but neither were most of those never have beens. I mean, Dion Dublin. WTAF? So would they have in that standard But I totally agree about Dublin You’re not comparing apples with apples 🤣🤦♂️
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jan 7, 2024 16:45:07 GMT
So would they have in that standard But I totally agree about Dublin You’re not comparing apples with apples 🤣🤦♂️ Aye women are more pear shaped
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 7, 2024 21:47:40 GMT
Joey has ran his own poll😊
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 7, 2024 21:51:16 GMT
Joey has ran his own poll😊 We’ve found 100000 misogynists. Wonderful.
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Jan 7, 2024 21:55:47 GMT
Bring back the best pundit
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Post by Gods on Jan 7, 2024 22:01:07 GMT
Joey has ran his own poll😊 Barton has hoovered up the market in brain dead misogynists hence when you poll them, 'quel suprise', they don't much like female pundits!
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Post by pavel on Jan 7, 2024 22:15:36 GMT
Joey has ran his own poll😊 What a surprise, a poll he’s run himself, with his own wording, to an audience that follow him. What a total weapon.
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Post by independent on Jan 7, 2024 22:36:42 GMT
I asked a simple question about a month ago,but I never got an answer,so I'll ask it again. Can anyone recommend a good women commentater? Not a pundit, a commentater. Ange has already shown up most of the male co-commentaters on Radio Stoke. Watch the Women's football show on BBC sometime and let's know your opinion on the standard of the presentation. Personally, I don't think that men or women should start their broadcasting careers at the top and learn on the job.I agree that the majority of pundits, Male or Female are dreadful.They need to begin their careers and training in local radio as Mark Chapman did, and the cream will wventually rise to the top. It seems that people are taking up an Idealogical position rather than a judgement based one. Regarding Joey Barton or whatever his name is, didn't he have a breakdown a few months ago and resign from football management. I would be surprised if he is playing with a full deck.
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Post by maninasuitcase on Jan 7, 2024 23:00:24 GMT
I asked a simple question about a month ago,but I never got an answer,so I'll ask it again. Can anyone recommend a good women commentater? Not a pundit, a commentater. Ange has already shown up most of the male co-commentaters on Radio Stoke. Watch the Women's football show on BBC sometime and let's know your opinion on the standard of the presentation. Personally, I don't think that men or women should start their broadcasting careers at the top and learn on the job.I agree that the majority of pundits, Male or Female are dreadful.They need to begin their careers and training in local radio as Mark Chapman did, and the cream will wventually rise to the top. It seems that people are taking up an Idealogical position rather than a judgement based one. Regarding Joey Barton or whatever his name is, didn't he have a breakdown a few months ago and resign from football management. I would be surprised if he is playing with a full deck. Jackie Oakley and Bianca Westwood are ok. Alex scott, fara williamson and eni eloku have such tedious voices, similar to mark Pougatch and clinton Morrison. There's plenty of poor commentators out there regardless of gender.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 7, 2024 23:03:55 GMT
I asked a simple question about a month ago,but I never got an answer,so I'll ask it again. Can anyone recommend a good women commentater? Not a pundit, a commentater. Ange has already shown up most of the male co-commentaters on Radio Stoke. Watch the Women's football show on BBC sometime and let's know your opinion on the standard of the presentation. Personally, I don't think that men or women should start their broadcasting careers at the top and learn on the job.I agree that the majority of pundits, Male or Female are dreadful.They need to begin their careers and training in local radio as Mark Chapman did, and the cream will wventually rise to the top. It seems that people are taking up an Idealogical position rather than a judgement based one. Regarding Joey Barton or whatever his name is, didn't he have a breakdown a few months ago and resign from football management. I would be surprised if he is playing with a full deck. Jackie Oakley and Bianca Westwood are ok. Alex scott, fara williamson and eni eloku have such tedious voices, similar to mark Pougatch and clinton Morrison. There's plenty of poor commentators out there regardless of gender. Pougatch? He’s one of the best broadcasters around isn’t he?
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Post by maninasuitcase on Jan 7, 2024 23:16:10 GMT
Jackie Oakley and Bianca Westwood are ok. Alex scott, fara williamson and eni eloku have such tedious voices, similar to mark Pougatch and clinton Morrison. There's plenty of poor commentators out there regardless of gender. Pougatch? He’s one of the best broadcasters around isn’t he? I just cant warm to him mate. When hes talking the mute button goes on.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 7, 2024 23:25:44 GMT
Pougatch? He’s one of the best broadcasters around isn’t he? I just cant warm to him mate. When hes talking the mute button goes on. 🤣🤣 Fair! I like most of the terrestrial presenters tbh. Lineker Pougatch Chappers Jules Breach It’s the punditry I generally find inane.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jan 7, 2024 23:30:34 GMT
He’s thick as fuck. His own poll shows that 53.7% don’t agree with him.
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Post by maninasuitcase on Jan 7, 2024 23:39:46 GMT
I just cant warm to him mate. When hes talking the mute button goes on. 🤣🤣 Fair! I like most of the terrestrial presenters tbh. Lineker Pougatch Chappers Jules Breach It’s the punditry I generally find inane. Good shout for Jules Breach. Also like Eilidh Barber as well.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jan 7, 2024 23:46:02 GMT
I asked a simple question about a month ago,but I never got an answer,so I'll ask it again. Can anyone recommend a good women commentater? Not a pundit, a commentater. Ange has already shown up most of the male co-commentaters on Radio Stoke. Watch the Women's football show on BBC sometime and let's know your opinion on the standard of the presentation. Personally, I don't think that men or women should start their broadcasting careers at the top and learn on the job.I agree that the majority of pundits, Male or Female are dreadful.They need to begin their careers and training in local radio as Mark Chapman did, and the cream will wventually rise to the top. It seems that people are taking up an Idealogical position rather than a judgement based one. Regarding Joey Barton or whatever his name is, didn't he have a breakdown a few months ago and resign from football management. I would be surprised if he is playing with a full deck. This. I’d rather have someone commentating that learnt their craft and had a media background than listen to someone who earnt their job role simply because they played the game. In respect to some of the finest commentators / presenters throughout history some of the best were rarely great players themselves John Motson Brian Butler Martin Tyler Brian Moore Hugh Johns Jimmy Hill David Coleman Barry Davies Ange
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Post by a on Jan 8, 2024 9:50:17 GMT
I asked a simple question about a month ago,but I never got an answer,so I'll ask it again. Can anyone recommend a good women commentater? Not a pundit, a commentater. Ange has already shown up most of the male co-commentaters on Radio Stoke. Watch the Women's football show on BBC sometime and let's know your opinion on the standard of the presentation. Personally, I don't think that men or women should start their broadcasting careers at the top and learn on the job.I agree that the majority of pundits, Male or Female are dreadful.They need to begin their careers and training in local radio as Mark Chapman did, and the cream will wventually rise to the top. It seems that people are taking up an Idealogical position rather than a judgement based one. Regarding Joey Barton or whatever his name is, didn't he have a breakdown a few months ago and resign from football management. I would be surprised if he is playing with a full deck. This. I’d rather have someone commentating that learnt their craft and had a media background than listen to someone who earnt their job role simply because they played the game. In respect to some of the finest commentators / presenters throughout history some of the best were rarely great players themselves John Motson Brian Butler Martin Tyler Brian Moore Hugh Johns Jimmy Hill David Coleman Barry Davies Ange Never knew Ange was an ex player tbf, every days school day as they say
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Post by noustie on Jan 8, 2024 10:42:58 GMT
Joey Barton is a bell end but that doesn't negate everything he says. I've said loads of times I much preferred the women's world cup to the blokes this time around but I agree it's played completely differently. I've no issue listening to the insights of female pundits who've played at the top of their level but he had a point on them telling blokes at that level what they should be doing - the crowd, intensity, speed etc are completely different. Same would apply if a bloke international said the women really needed to start launching into reducers in the middle of the pitch and put it about a bit as typically that just isn't how they play.
Women pundits should however be treated like bloke pundits and if they're shit should be able to call it out without being stuck up for purely on the basis of their sex and/or race rather than their merit to be there. Faux equality will do far more damage to the women's game than Barton ever could howling at the moon for the grift. Same applies in the blokes with Clinton Morrison - if he's white he ain't getting the gig lets be honest.
Aluko is a joke and is only there as it ticks two boxes and again that in the long term risking doing far more damage than Barton will ever do.
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Post by noustie on Jan 8, 2024 10:49:04 GMT
I asked a simple question about a month ago,but I never got an answer,so I'll ask it again. Can anyone recommend a good women commentater? Not a pundit, a commentater. Ange has already shown up most of the male co-commentaters on Radio Stoke. Watch the Women's football show on BBC sometime and let's know your opinion on the standard of the presentation. Personally, I don't think that men or women should start their broadcasting careers at the top and learn on the job.I agree that the majority of pundits, Male or Female are dreadful.They need to begin their careers and training in local radio as Mark Chapman did, and the cream will wventually rise to the top. It seems that people are taking up an Idealogical position rather than a judgement based one. Regarding Joey Barton or whatever his name is, didn't he have a breakdown a few months ago and resign from football management. I would be surprised if he is playing with a full deck. This. I’d rather have someone commentating that learnt their craft and had a media background than listen to someone who earnt their job role simply because they played the game. In respect to some of the finest commentators / presenters throughout history some of the best were rarely great players themselves John Motson Brian Butler Martin Tyler Brian Moore Hugh Johns Jimmy Hill David Coleman Barry Davies Ange It's a jolly boys/ girls club really as a lot of them are thick as fuck - just, for example, because a player is rapid and bangs in a few goals over a career doesn't mean they have a great insight into football overall. It's a pity Fergie managed so long as bet he'd have been interesting to listen to - Strachan in an interview said he went on a scouting mission with Fergie one time and within 15 minutes that the team they were scouting were going to win but it was obvious how Aberdeen could beat them as there was an exploitable flaw in their set-up and both were bang on apparently.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 8, 2024 10:49:05 GMT
This. I’d rather have someone commentating that learnt their craft and had a media background than listen to someone who earnt their job role simply because they played the game. In respect to some of the finest commentators / presenters throughout history some of the best were rarely great players themselves John Motson Brian Butler Martin Tyler Brian Moore Hugh Johns Jimmy Hill David Coleman Barry Davies Ange Never knew Ange was an ex player tbf, every days school day as they say Didn’t know she was a footballer although I’m sure I’ve read she was an international squash player so obviously sporty so could also have played footy to a standard.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Jan 8, 2024 11:05:41 GMT
He’s thick as fuck. His own poll shows that 53.7% don’t agree with him.
He's thick as fuck to even think that it's somehow a decision that him and his cronies actually have any influence over in the first place.
He bangs on about "meritocracy" yet doesn't seem to realise that he himself has been a pundit based on him winnning absolutely nothing in his career, playing only 11 minutes of international football in his career and being sacked from both teams he's managed after being accused of both sexism and anti-semitism. Aaaah but he's a bloke....oh and he now wears glasses becuse he thinks it makes people take him more seriously and makes him look intellectual. Joey Barton, intellectual
Just thick as fuck from any angle you want to look at....or to put it in his own words, "Joey, you're not respected and you're not wanted. Do one"
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Post by spiderpuss on Jan 8, 2024 11:13:12 GMT
I asked a simple question about a month ago,but I never got an answer,so I'll ask it again. Can anyone recommend a good women commentater? Not a pundit, a commentater. Ange has already shown up most of the male co-commentaters on Radio Stoke. Watch the Women's football show on BBC sometime and let's know your opinion on the standard of the presentation. Personally, I don't think that men or women should start their broadcasting careers at the top and learn on the job.I agree that the majority of pundits, Male or Female are dreadful.They need to begin their careers and training in local radio as Mark Chapman did, and the cream will wventually rise to the top. It seems that people are taking up an Idealogical position rather than a judgement based one. Regarding Joey Barton or whatever his name is, didn't he have a breakdown a few months ago and resign from football management. I would be surprised if he is playing with a full deck. This. I’d rather have someone commentating that learnt their craft and had a media background than listen to someone who earnt their job role simply because they played the game. In respect to some of the finest commentators / presenters throughout history some of the best were rarely great players themselves John Motson Brian Butler Martin Tyler Brian Moore Hugh Johns Jimmy Hill David Coleman Barry Davies Ange I also see no need for a co-commentator. A good commentator does more than enough and I don't need an ex-pro chipping in with "he should have done better with that" as the ball lifts high and wide.
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Post by starkiller on Jan 8, 2024 11:15:47 GMT
Joey Barton is a bell end but that doesn't negate everything he says. I've said loads of times I much preferred the women's world cup to the blokes this time around but I agree it's played completely differently. I've no issue listening to the insights of female pundits who've played at the top of their level but he had a point on them telling blokes at that level what they should be doing - the crowd, intensity, speed etc are completely different. Same would apply if a bloke international said the women really needed to start launching into reducers in the middle of the pitch and put it about a bit as typically that just isn't how they play. Women pundits should however be treated like bloke pundits and if they're shit should be able to call it out without being stuck up for purely on the basis of their sex and/or race rather than their merit to be there. Faux equality will do far more damage to the women's game than Barton ever could howling at the moon for the grift. Same applies in the blokes with Clinton Morrison - if he's white he ain't getting the gig lets be honest. Aluko is a joke and is only there as it ticks two boxes and again that in the long term risking doing far more damage than Barton will ever do. Unfortunately, whatever points he makes are lost to most in his garbled tirades. Although I'm sure Barton is having fun by personally reliving the golden age of the internet.
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Post by noustie on Jan 8, 2024 12:08:32 GMT
Joey Barton is a bell end but that doesn't negate everything he says. I've said loads of times I much preferred the women's world cup to the blokes this time around but I agree it's played completely differently. I've no issue listening to the insights of female pundits who've played at the top of their level but he had a point on them telling blokes at that level what they should be doing - the crowd, intensity, speed etc are completely different. Same would apply if a bloke international said the women really needed to start launching into reducers in the middle of the pitch and put it about a bit as typically that just isn't how they play. Women pundits should however be treated like bloke pundits and if they're shit should be able to call it out without being stuck up for purely on the basis of their sex and/or race rather than their merit to be there. Faux equality will do far more damage to the women's game than Barton ever could howling at the moon for the grift. Same applies in the blokes with Clinton Morrison - if he's white he ain't getting the gig lets be honest. Aluko is a joke and is only there as it ticks two boxes and again that in the long term risking doing far more damage than Barton will ever do. Unfortunately, whatever points he makes are lost to most in his garbled tirades. Although I'm sure Barton is having fun by personally reliving the golden age of the internet. Totally and he's defo angling be a Poundland Joe Rogan in the UK. He's got 3m Twitter followers apparently - it's not a million miles off the numbers that watch BBC 6 o'clock news. Bizarre times really.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2024 12:10:22 GMT
The "thinking man's"* Katie Hopkins 🤡
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Post by a on Jan 8, 2024 13:23:40 GMT
Never knew Ange was an ex player tbf, every days school day as they say Didn’t know she was a footballer although I’m sure I’ve read she was an international squash player so obviously sporty so could also have played footy to a standard. Tbf I knew she played squash, but the football thing is a new one on me
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jan 8, 2024 13:30:49 GMT
Joey Barton is a bell end but that doesn't negate everything he says. I've said loads of times I much preferred the women's world cup to the blokes this time around but I agree it's played completely differently. I've no issue listening to the insights of female pundits who've played at the top of their level but he had a point on them telling blokes at that level what they should be doing - the crowd, intensity, speed etc are completely different. Same would apply if a bloke international said the women really needed to start launching into reducers in the middle of the pitch and put it about a bit as typically that just isn't how they play. Women pundits should however be treated like bloke pundits and if they're shit should be able to call it out without being stuck up for purely on the basis of their sex and/or race rather than their merit to be there. Faux equality will do far more damage to the women's game than Barton ever could howling at the moon for the grift. Same applies in the blokes with Clinton Morrison - if he's white he ain't getting the gig lets be honest. Aluko is a joke and is only there as it ticks two boxes and again that in the long term risking doing far more damage than Barton will ever do. I've always wondered what 'boxes' Michael Owen 'ticks'. Devoid of insight or personality he usually can't even be bothered to research anything about the opposition any English team is playing in Europe and on one occasion could be bothered to try and pronounce Union St Gallois. Not much better are Joe Cole, Owen Hargreaves or Chris Waddle - but still they get 'the gig'. But if they're shit they're just shit but if Aluko or Morrison are shit it becomes about race or gender. It was interesting the experiment Gary Neville and Jill Scott did on Twitter. www.prolificnorth.co.uk/news/everyday-sexism-gary-neville-and-jill-scott-swap-twitter-accounts-football-fans-dont-come-out-looking-great/So Aluko might be shit but lets not pretend it doesn't exite the bigots - many if whom walk amongst us on this board - who delight in sticking the boot in. Barton is an odious dick and Aluko is not a very good pundit - the rest is agenda driven bollocks.
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Post by independent on Jan 8, 2024 14:12:03 GMT
I think what people resent is a lot of incompetent people being given given jobs to fill a quota or virtue signal. We have enough incompetent Males on tv football shows already, and should be looking for better than we have, not worse,or equally bad.
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Post by noustie on Jan 8, 2024 14:13:55 GMT
Joey Barton is a bell end but that doesn't negate everything he says. I've said loads of times I much preferred the women's world cup to the blokes this time around but I agree it's played completely differently. I've no issue listening to the insights of female pundits who've played at the top of their level but he had a point on them telling blokes at that level what they should be doing - the crowd, intensity, speed etc are completely different. Same would apply if a bloke international said the women really needed to start launching into reducers in the middle of the pitch and put it about a bit as typically that just isn't how they play. Women pundits should however be treated like bloke pundits and if they're shit should be able to call it out without being stuck up for purely on the basis of their sex and/or race rather than their merit to be there. Faux equality will do far more damage to the women's game than Barton ever could howling at the moon for the grift. Same applies in the blokes with Clinton Morrison - if he's white he ain't getting the gig lets be honest. Aluko is a joke and is only there as it ticks two boxes and again that in the long term risking doing far more damage than Barton will ever do. I've always wondered what 'boxes' Michael Owen 'ticks'. Devoid of insight or personality he usually can't even be bothered to research anything about the opposition any English team is playing in Europe and on one occasion could be bothered to try and pronounce Union St Gallois. Not much better are Joe Cole, Owen Hargreaves or Chris Waddle - but still they get 'the gig'. But if they're shit they're just shit but if Aluko or Morrison are shit it becomes about race or gender. It was interesting the experiment Gary Neville and Jill Scott did on Twitter. www.prolificnorth.co.uk/news/everyday-sexism-gary-neville-and-jill-scott-swap-twitter-accounts-football-fans-dont-come-out-looking-great/So Aluko might be shit but lets not pretend it doesn't exite the bigots - many if whom walk amongst us on this board - who delight in sticking the boot in. Barton is an odious dick and Aluko is not a very good pundit - the rest is agenda driven bollocks. On BT Sport it was the Liverpool box he tuck all day long like Carragher on Sky to balance off Neville - Alan Smith is boring as fuck but ticks the Arsenal box. I remember in one of the World Cups Roy Hodgson kept banging on about Algeria when England had played them already and were actually playing Slovenia. I can criticize all these for being shit and their sex nor race never comes into it but critical of Aluko or Clinton Morrison then it's right there every time despite both being absolutely embarrassingly shit. Of course that'll excite knuckle draggers as they're easy targets but why give them the opportunity in the first place? The way to attain equality is via a meritocracy then the women who get there on merit (EG: Alex Scott) completely show up job for the boys clowns like Cole, Ferdinand, etc whereas over exposing a complete balloon like Aluko is counter productive. McCoist for example, although getting saturated, has come in and showed how shit a lot of the pundits are and completely freshened things up. For me I could listen to Sarina Weigman all day on football and wouldn't be surprised if she succeeds with a male team one day - on the other hand I reckon Emma Hayes will soon be viewed as a Brendan Rogers type character. Both of those are based on my perception of their ability, arguably rightly or wrongly, rather than their sex and surely that's where everyone wants to get to rather than `being open to accusations of box ticking? Same goes on my opinion of Ian Wright vs Clinton Morrison or Alex Scott vs Aluko - neither opinion has anything to do with their race but it's like Pavlov's dog as soon as their is criticism.
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