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Dublin
Nov 24, 2023 9:14:26 GMT
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Nov 24, 2023 9:14:26 GMT
Any excuse for the scruffy cunts to go looting. Get the fucking water cannon out. A friend of mine has a share in a pub near St Stephens Green. He said is getting out of control, people coming in with the intention of no more than hassling customers , nicking phones, bags etc. Not locals , they've been handling them for years . Cash points are becoming dangerous to use Crazy! I've never actually been to Ireland but I had no idea this has been going on. The Police need to get a proper grip on these things, but without significant funding and a justice system that will actively prosecure 'lower level' criminality, they've got no chance. Great to hear the Tories are cutting taxes over here. Unfortunately, we haven't got a single public service that is adequate. Hopefully it calms down and we don't see scenes like we did last night. Who on earth would ever be a uniform police officer?! Thank god some folk do, because I wouldn't do it for love nor money.
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Post by starkiller on Nov 24, 2023 9:54:18 GMT
I think you should check who's doing the stealing. Opportunistic thieves are doing the stealing. Correct. Not 'wings'. But I guess even thieves require a wing label, these days. Anyway, let's not forget a five-year old girl and others may have life changing injuries. Amazing how the focus gets shifted quickly.
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Post by wannabee on Nov 24, 2023 10:02:41 GMT
Apparently so, but this and the alternative thread turned into an immigrants thing Who first mentioned right wing? The Dublin Police Commissioner
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Post by starkiller on Nov 24, 2023 10:30:39 GMT
Who first mentioned right wing? The Dublin Police Commissioner Most people are actually apolitical, many vote either way, or not at all. And actually being pissed off with excessive immigration doesn't make anyone a particular'wing' either. It just makes them pissed off, that is all. Just because the media deliberately avoids reporting the issues, to maintain an illusion of social stability utopia, it's not just about this one incident. This has been bubbling for at least 18 months in Ireland, with people being concerned about safety, and women being harassed when out, and the like. People's concerns are not considered, and brushed aside. Not to excuse the behaviour, but there is no answer from politicians for these people. No answers because not even the questions are allowed to be asked.
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Dublin
Nov 24, 2023 11:01:44 GMT
Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 24, 2023 11:01:44 GMT
Opportunistic thieves are doing the stealing. Correct. Not 'wings'. But I guess even thieves require a wing label, these days. Anyway, let's not forget a five-year old girl and others may have life changing injuries. Amazing how the focus gets shifted quickly. You'd have to take that up with the ones that mentioned "wings" as I certainly didn't. And here's hoping the victims in question are ok as you say.........
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 24, 2023 11:05:17 GMT
The Dublin Police Commissioner Most people are actually apolitical, many vote either way, or not at all. And actually being pissed off with excessive immigration doesn't make anyone a particular'wing' either. It just makes them pissed off, that is all. Just because the media deliberately avoids reporting the issues, to maintain an illusion of social stability utopia, it's not just about this one incident. This has been bubbling for at least 18 months in Ireland, with people being concerned about safety, and women being harassed when out, and the like. People's concerns are not considered, and brushed aside. Not to excuse the behaviour, but there is no answer from politicians for these people. No answers because not even the questions are allowed to be asked. That works both ways re: immigration though. If the Daily Mail didn't preach that it's the Eritrean pizza delivery driver, or Syrian trained doctor packing food in a warehouse that were my enemy and not the Canary Wharf banker playing hard and fast with the economy, or the corrupt political system then people may see the world a bit differently..................
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Post by gawa on Nov 24, 2023 11:07:03 GMT
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Post by milton58 on Nov 24, 2023 11:40:24 GMT
Who first mentioned right wing? The Dublin Police Commissioner the same one who didn't bother to mention..about the victims in this terrible attack until the very end of is speech
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Post by wannabee on Nov 24, 2023 11:41:10 GMT
The Dublin Police Commissioner Most people are actually apolitical, many vote either way, or not at all. And actually being pissed off with excessive immigration doesn't make anyone a particular'wing' either. It just makes them pissed off, that is all. Just because the media deliberately avoids reporting the issues, to maintain an illusion of social stability utopia, it's not just about this one incident. This has been bubbling for at least 18 months in Ireland, with people being concerned about safety, and women being harassed when out, and the like. People's concerns are not considered, and brushed aside. Not to excuse the behaviour, but there is no answer from politicians for these people. No answers because not even the questions are allowed to be asked. Ireland per Capita is twice as Wealthy as UK, but like in every Country that is not distributed evenly and you get the left behinds who feel disgruntled There is also an acute shortage of affordable housing exasperated by the influx of 100,000 Ukrainians Compare this to UK where there are 210,000 Ukrainians in a population 14 times larger In 2022 there were 13,600 Asylum Seekers, a record number, in Ireland, attracted no doubt by the strong Economy and English Language. This compares to about 80,000 Asylum Seekers in UK in the same year so about double the UK when you factor population size. Taken on their own the number of Asylum Seekers would be manageable but together with Ukrainian numbers in a heated Housing Market much more difficult This is the main source of friction. Of course some people object as a matter of principle to foreign people but the vast majority of Irish people are fully aware and sympathetic to emigration which commenced with the 1850s Famine and lasted up to the 1990s
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Dublin
Nov 24, 2023 11:57:54 GMT
Post by wannabee on Nov 24, 2023 11:57:54 GMT
The Dublin Police Commissioner the same one who didn't bother to mention..about the victims in this terrible attack until the very end of is speech I think it depends on which video clip you viewed and which question he was answering, there have been several statements. I certainly say him address the condition of the victims first in a clip I saw.
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Post by wannabee on Nov 24, 2023 12:06:45 GMT
Thank you for sharing Out of an appalling tradgedy some good emerges which may give some pause to reflect
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Dublin
Nov 24, 2023 12:27:29 GMT
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Nov 24, 2023 12:27:29 GMT
A friend of mine has a share in a pub near St Stephens Green. He said is getting out of control, people coming in with the intention of no more than hassling customers , nicking phones, bags etc. Not locals , they've been handling them for years . Cash points are becoming dangerous to use Crazy! I've never actually been to Ireland but I had no idea this has been going on. The Police need to get a proper grip on these things, but without significant funding and a justice system that will actively prosecure 'lower level' criminality, they've got no chance. Great to hear the Tories are cutting taxes over here. Unfortunately, we haven't got a single public service that is adequate. Hopefully it calms down and we don't see scenes like we did last night. Who on earth would ever be a uniform police officer?! Thank god some folk do, because I wouldn't do it for love nor money. Simeone above said, why is it turning into an immigrant thread? Fact is, that's the problem in Dublin. It isn't idly blaming immigrants, Dublin always had its share of head bangers but the immigrant thing has become uncontrollable
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Dublin
Nov 24, 2023 12:37:01 GMT
Post by wannabee on Nov 24, 2023 12:37:01 GMT
A friend of mine has a share in a pub near St Stephens Green. He said is getting out of control, people coming in with the intention of no more than hassling customers , nicking phones, bags etc. Not locals , they've been handling them for years . Cash points are becoming dangerous to use Crazy! I've never actually been to Ireland but I had no idea this has been going on. The Police need to get a proper grip on these things, but without significant funding and a justice system that will actively prosecure 'lower level' criminality, they've got no chance. Great to hear the Tories are cutting taxes over here. Unfortunately, we haven't got a single public service that is adequate. Hopefully it calms down and we don't see scenes like we did last night. Who on earth would ever be a uniform police officer?! Thank god some folk do, because I wouldn't do it for love nor money. I know it's the wrong thread but I wanted to clarify if you were using irony The Budget of two days ago Increased Taxes and cut a further £19Bn from Public Services
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Post by cvillestokie on Nov 24, 2023 12:45:30 GMT
For risk of breaking the thread Paul, I won’t reply to your video. I will say that this is exactly what I expected. This fake uproar about the tragedy of what has happened earlier today in Dublin now shown to be a basic excuse to burn and steal shit (for hundreds, at least). Has there actually been a protest or did people just go out to steal shoes in the name of the little kids in hospital from the get go? Patriots, the lot of ‘em. I think you should check who's doing the stealing. They’re a wanker also. Last night, I watched Paul’s videos, which consisted of hundreds of white people setting fire to infrastructure, dozens tipping over cars, and featured loads of white people running past with a tonne of clothes in their hands. That’s where this reply came from.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 24, 2023 12:50:18 GMT
The Dublin Police Commissioner Most people are actually apolitical, many vote either way, or not at all. And actually being pissed off with excessive immigration doesn't make anyone a particular'wing' either. It just makes them pissed off, that is all. Just because the media deliberately avoids reporting the issues, to maintain an illusion of social stability utopia, it's not just about this one incident. This has been bubbling for at least 18 months in Ireland, with people being concerned about safety, and women being harassed when out, and the like. People's concerns are not considered, and brushed aside. Not to excuse the behaviour, but there is no answer from politicians for these people. No answers because not even the questions are allowed to be asked. Apart from the fact that migrant stories occupy the front pages of several of our national newspapers on at least a weekly frequency, if not more often, and never in a positive light, yes, it's never discussed by the media What could possibly be stoking all this hostility and abuse?!
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Dublin
Nov 24, 2023 12:59:29 GMT
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Nov 24, 2023 12:59:29 GMT
I think you should check who's doing the stealing. They’re a wanker also. Last night, I watched Paul’s videos, which consisted of hundreds of white people setting fire to infrastructure, dozens tipping over cars, and featured loads of white people running past with a tonne of clothes in their hands. That’s where this reply came from. Lifting a short video off the internet doesn't tell the story of what has been going on there for months now...has been getting out of control and boiling over for a long time
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Post by cvillestokie on Nov 24, 2023 13:02:56 GMT
They’re a wanker also. Last night, I watched Paul’s videos, which consisted of hundreds of white people setting fire to infrastructure, dozens tipping over cars, and featured loads of white people running past with a tonne of clothes in their hands. That’s where this reply came from. Lifting a short video off the internet doesn't tell the story of what has been going on there for months now...has been getting out of control and boiling over for a long time No it doesn’t. It does show people who couldn’t care less about a situation stealing what they can, when they can though. Scumbags, the lot of them. If I’m angry about something, the last things that comes to my mind is “yeah, let’s go steal some shoes”.
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Post by thanksjon on Nov 24, 2023 13:06:14 GMT
Things have calmed down here today but the overall feeling is one of huge sympathy for the families of the victims but also a backlash against the head of the Garda (Police) for his softly softly approach to recent right wing protests which allowed them to think the law did not apply to them.Decency will win out over hate.
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Dublin
Nov 24, 2023 13:09:57 GMT
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Nov 24, 2023 13:09:57 GMT
Lifting a short video off the internet doesn't tell the story of what has been going on there for months now...has been getting out of control and boiling over for a long time No it doesn’t. It does show people who couldn’t care less about a situation stealing what they can, when they can though. Scumbags, the lot of them. If I’m angry about something, the last things that comes to my mind is “yeah, let’s go steal some shoes”. Would happen in any city where is rioting as we've seen many times Race rioters in America ...many seem to need new TVs etc Ridiculous to post the video and use as a benchmark there when you don't know the first thing about the tensions there etc
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Dublin
Nov 24, 2023 13:19:11 GMT
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Post by cvillestokie on Nov 24, 2023 13:19:11 GMT
No it doesn’t. It does show people who couldn’t care less about a situation stealing what they can, when they can though. Scumbags, the lot of them. If I’m angry about something, the last things that comes to my mind is “yeah, let’s go steal some shoes”. Would happen in any city where is rioting as we've seen many times Race rioters in America ...many seem to need new TVs etc Ridiculous to post the video and use as a benchmark there when you don't know the first thing about the tensions there etc Yes, scum, the lot of them. It’s a very easy stance to take. People who go out looting and burning their town to the ground are scum. I could almost see some logic in burning something down (almost). There is no link between an incident like this and people breaking into stores and stealing things apart from those people knowing that they can commit crime en masse and get away with it. They are scum. Theft is unrelated to it all, the same as the George Floyd riots, the same as the riots in France over the summer. None of it achieved anything apart from getting some piece of scum a new pair of shoes.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Nov 24, 2023 13:26:51 GMT
Would happen in any city where is rioting as we've seen many times Race rioters in America ...many seem to need new TVs etc Ridiculous to post the video and use as a benchmark there when you don't know the first thing about the tensions there etc Yes, scum, the lot of them. It’s a very easy stance to take. People who go out looting and burning their town to the ground are scum. I could almost see some logic in burning something down (almost). There is no link between an incident like this and people breaking into stores and stealing things apart from those people knowing that they can commit crime en masse and get away with it. They are scum. Theft is unrelated to it all, the same as the George Floyd riots, the same as the riots in France over the summer. None of it achieved anything apart from getting some piece of scum a new pair of shoes. Absolutely Dublin has more than its fair share of nutters , great city though it is and was always going to happen. The immigration situation is certainly causing huge tension and almost daily incidents, it isn't something being wrongly reported either , happening in the high streets etc. Had a family member mugged in broad daylight there recently, thankfully some good Samaritans helped her and she was just a bit shook up and they didn't get the cash point money they were after . Two Bulgarians it turned out on Talbot st for those who know it.
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Dublin
Nov 24, 2023 14:32:05 GMT
Post by wannabee on Nov 24, 2023 14:32:05 GMT
Yes, scum, the lot of them. It’s a very easy stance to take. People who go out looting and burning their town to the ground are scum. I could almost see some logic in burning something down (almost). There is no link between an incident like this and people breaking into stores and stealing things apart from those people knowing that they can commit crime en masse and get away with it. They are scum. Theft is unrelated to it all, the same as the George Floyd riots, the same as the riots in France over the summer. None of it achieved anything apart from getting some piece of scum a new pair of shoes. Absolutely Dublin has more than its fair share of nutters , great city though it is and was always going to happen. The immigration situation is certainly causing huge tension and almost daily incidents, it isn't something being wrongly reported either , happening in the high streets etc. Had a family member mugged in broad daylight there recently, thankfully some good Samaritans helped her and she was just a bit shook up and they didn't get the cash point money they were after . Two Bulgarians it turned out on Talbot st for those who know it. There are far more issues caused by open drug dealing on the quays near O'Connell St and the inner City and the means users go to fund it than any issues with immigrants who of course aren't blameless
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Nov 24, 2023 14:38:03 GMT
Absolutely Dublin has more than its fair share of nutters , great city though it is and was always going to happen. The immigration situation is certainly causing huge tension and almost daily incidents, it isn't something being wrongly reported either , happening in the high streets etc. Had a family member mugged in broad daylight there recently, thankfully some good Samaritans helped her and she was just a bit shook up and they didn't get the cash point money they were after . Two Bulgarians it turned out on Talbot st for those who know it. There are far more issues caused by open drug dealing on the quays near O'Connell St and the inner City and the means users go to fund it than any issues with immigrants who of course aren't blameless of course, been going on for decades. Been a serious drug problem in Dublin since the Bronco days. Doesn't deflect away from the immigrant incidents
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Post by gawa on Nov 24, 2023 14:40:06 GMT
fully aware and sympathetic to emigration which commenced with the 1850s Famine and lasted up to the 1990s There was no famine. Only genocide.
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Nov 24, 2023 15:02:15 GMT
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Post by milton58 on Nov 24, 2023 15:02:15 GMT
the same one who didn't bother to mention..about the victims in this terrible attack until the very end of is speech I think it depends on which video clip you viewed and which question he was answering, there have been several statements. I certainly say him address the condition of the victims first in a clip I saw. I watched the one live this morning about 5 past 8 he didn't mention any of the victims attacked...until the end of his speech
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Dublin
Nov 24, 2023 15:19:53 GMT
Post by wannabee on Nov 24, 2023 15:19:53 GMT
I think it depends on which video clip you viewed and which question he was answering, there have been several statements. I certainly say him address the condition of the victims first in a clip I saw. I watched the one live this morning about 5 past 8 he didn't mention any of the victims attacked...until the end of his speech The one I saw was on Sky last night and he did As I say these clips are edited sometimes you get the question asked other times not
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Dublin
Nov 24, 2023 15:50:25 GMT
Post by knype on Nov 24, 2023 15:50:25 GMT
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Post by knype on Nov 24, 2023 15:52:44 GMT
I cannot believe some quickly turned it into a story about the troubles that followed the stabbings, and then quickly onto looting. Perhaps they forgot the BLM marches they defended when doing exactly the same thing?
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Dublin
Nov 24, 2023 16:14:44 GMT
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Nov 24, 2023 16:14:44 GMT
I cannot believe some quickly turned it into a story about the troubles that followed the stabbings, and then quickly onto looting. Perhaps they forgot the BLM marches they defended when doing exactly the same thing? The BLM scene been mentioned, some love a good excuse for a loot. The whole immigrant issue in Dublin has been causing unrest for some time and bubbling like a Venessa Feltz fart in a jacuzzi (any excuse) It's not isolated incidents. Pubs have taken on security including the one I know owned by friends at great expense to them , shops also.
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Nov 24, 2023 16:17:05 GMT
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Post by gawa on Nov 24, 2023 16:17:05 GMT
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