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Post by AlbertTatlock on Nov 13, 2023 13:23:09 GMT
There's just no one worthy of my vote, this shambles of a government could hang on until January 2025 but the possibility is it will be next May, who the fuck would want this current lot re-elected but the only option is a pseudo Tory replacement scattered with left wing loonies pulling the smarmy strings of Starmer. This is reflected by the poor turnouts at recent by elections and local elections. I recall Brewsters Millions a movie from the 80's that ran for election but didn't want to win so added an option of "none of the above" and it won. I'd love this to be on the next UK ballot paper, I'm sure it'd get more votes than any of the other shisters. Can someone recommend a country for me to move to until we have a credible party leading the country? Gouranga.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 13, 2023 13:24:33 GMT
There's just no one worthy of my vote, this shambles of a government could hang on until January 2025 but the possibility is it will be next May, who the fuck would want this current lot re-elected but the only option is a pseudo Tory replacement scattered with left wing loonies pulling the smarmy strings of Starmer. This is reflected by the poor turnouts at recent by elections and local elections. I recall Brewsters Millions a movie from the 80's that ran for election but didn't want to win so added an option of "none of the above" and it won. I'd love this to be on the next UK ballot paper, I'm sure it'd get more votes than any of the other shisters. Can someone recommend a country for me to move to until we have a credible party leading the country? Gouranga. Rwanda
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Nov 13, 2023 13:28:21 GMT
If you spoil your ballot paper it gets recorded in the official result and the number of spoiled ballot papers is seen as a vote of dissatisfaction with politics. I effect it is the none of the above option. I would also like to see it returned as the winner.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Nov 13, 2023 13:30:56 GMT
There's just no one worthy of my vote, this shambles of a government could hang on until January 2025 but the possibility is it will be next May, who the fuck would want this current lot re-elected but the only option is a pseudo Tory replacement scattered with left wing loonies pulling the smarmy strings of Starmer. This is reflected by the poor turnouts at recent by elections and local elections. I recall Brewsters Millions a movie from the 80's that ran for election but didn't want to win so added an option of "none of the above" and it won. I'd love this to be on the next UK ballot paper, I'm sure it'd get more votes than any of the other shisters. Can someone recommend a country for me to move to until we have a credible party leading the country? Gouranga. China! They don't bother with this pseudo democracy bollocks!
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Post by chad on Nov 13, 2023 13:37:57 GMT
North Korea no politics there to worry about 😊
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Post by noustie on Nov 13, 2023 13:44:24 GMT
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Post by dutchstokie on Nov 13, 2023 13:50:50 GMT
There's just no one worthy of my vote, this shambles of a government could hang on until January 2025 but the possibility is it will be next May, who the fuck would want this current lot re-elected but the only option is a pseudo Tory replacement scattered with left wing loonies pulling the smarmy strings of Starmer. This is reflected by the poor turnouts at recent by elections and local elections. I recall Brewsters Millions a movie from the 80's that ran for election but didn't want to win so added an option of "none of the above" and it won. I'd love this to be on the next UK ballot paper, I'm sure it'd get more votes than any of the other shisters. Can someone recommend a country for me to move to until we have a credible party leading the country? Gouranga. Afghanistan...
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 13, 2023 13:52:09 GMT
when I draw a giant cock and balls on my ballot paper I always make it jizz free for that very reason........
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Nov 13, 2023 14:01:24 GMT
Have never voted and someone preaching politics is without doubt the least interesting thing anyone can do, apart from talk Rugby.
I always love those people who a VOTE LABOUR sign up say outside their house , must influence so many passers by. Hey I was indifferent but now I saw his placard am convinced.
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Post by wagsastokie on Nov 14, 2023 10:28:20 GMT
Have never voted and someone preaching politics is without doubt the least interesting thing anyone can do, apart from talk Rugby. I always love those people who a VOTE LABOUR sign up say outside their house , must influence so many passers by. Hey I was indifferent but now I saw his placard am convinced. Funny enough starmer telling me to vote labour has the opposite effect Definitely voting none of the above
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Post by flea79 on Nov 14, 2023 10:41:37 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2023 12:33:48 GMT
when I draw a giant cock and balls on my ballot paper I always make it jizz free for that very reason........ Did they count it as a vote for Boris? 😂
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Nov 14, 2023 13:52:57 GMT
Wow - that's bad. My Labour MP is a good constituency MP but while Labour haven't got PR in their manifesto I won't vote for them. It's pointless voting for anyone else because under FPTP they won't get in so I'm intending to spoil my ballot paper as a protest against being forced into a false choice by a system that completely distorts Parliamentary representation.
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Post by chad on Nov 15, 2023 10:11:47 GMT
Wow - that's bad. My Labour MP is a good constituency MP but while Labour haven't got PR in their manifesto I won't vote for them. It's pointless voting for anyone else because under FPTP they won't get in so I'm intending to spoil my ballot paper as a protest against being forced into a false choice by a system that completely distorts Parliamentary representation. I think you’ll be waiting a long time for PR. It would mean the end of the two party system so neither of them is ever likely to go for it. It would be like turkeys voting for Xmas I agree with you by the way that it’s a fairer system.
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Nov 15, 2023 10:27:29 GMT
As mentioned on a previous thread months ago, I'll be spoiling my ballot paper. A little embarrassed to do so, but I cannot vote for anything currently on offer. I'll take a closer look at the time but if the vote was today, I'd simply write the word TWATS on my vote and pop it in the box.
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Post by wagsastokie on Nov 15, 2023 10:33:43 GMT
Wow - that's bad. My Labour MP is a good constituency MP but while Labour haven't got PR in their manifesto I won't vote for them. It's pointless voting for anyone else because under FPTP they won't get in so I'm intending to spoil my ballot paper as a protest against being forced into a false choice by a system that completely distorts Parliamentary representation. I think you’ll be waiting a long time for PR. It would mean the end of the two party system so neither of them is ever likely to go for it. It would be like turkeys voting for Xmas I agree with you by the way that it’s a fairer system. Is that the same PR that the government in Spain will be propped up by the votes of a party of convicted criminals Who by coincidence the government gave amnesties to
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Nov 15, 2023 15:05:17 GMT
I think you’ll be waiting a long time for PR. It would mean the end of the two party system so neither of them is ever likely to go for it. It would be like turkeys voting for Xmas I agree with you by the way that it’s a fairer system. Is that the same PR that the government in Spain will be propped up by the votes of a party of convicted criminals Who by coincidence the government gave amnesties to No it's the same PR system that has resulted in a perfectly stable Germany and many other democracies around the world. This latest government, brought into being by the genius of FPTP, has resulted in 3 Prime Ministers (one of whom was outlasted by a lettuce and still managed to crash the economy), political chaos and a world looking in astonishment at the farce being played out in Parliament. People in glass houses....
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Post by salopstick on Nov 15, 2023 15:07:49 GMT
I dont have apathy
however Helen Morgan has proven to be a very good constituency MP. I don't support her party however she seems to be achieving quite a lot in N Shrops so I will vote for her again.
There seem to be a lot of MPs standing down at the next election. It might just raise standards amongst the new MPs that come through.
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Post by salopstick on Nov 15, 2023 15:09:17 GMT
Wow - that's bad. My Labour MP is a good constituency MP but while Labour haven't got PR in their manifesto I won't vote for them. It's pointless voting for anyone else because under FPTP they won't get in so I'm intending to spoil my ballot paper as a protest against being forced into a false choice by a system that completely distorts Parliamentary representation. if all labour supporters did what you are doing you would lose a very good constituency MP Nose Spite Face
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Post by Veritas on Nov 15, 2023 15:10:32 GMT
I dont have apathy however Helen Morgan has proven to be a very good constituency MP. I don't support her party however she seems to be achieving quite a lot in N Shrops so I will vote for her again. There seem to be a lot of MPs standing down at the next election. It might just raise standards amongst the new MPs that come through. Unfortunately in our current electoral system you vote for an MP but get a party, which in the case if Helen Morgan resulted in Johnson, May, Truss and Sunak.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Nov 15, 2023 15:11:15 GMT
Wow - that's bad. My Labour MP is a good constituency MP but while Labour haven't got PR in their manifesto I won't vote for them. It's pointless voting for anyone else because under FPTP they won't get in so I'm intending to spoil my ballot paper as a protest against being forced into a false choice by a system that completely distorts Parliamentary representation. I think you’ll be waiting a long time for PR. It would mean the end of the two party system so neither of them is ever likely to go for it. It would be like turkeys voting for Xmas I agree with you by the way that it’s a fairer system. I understand the problem and my ideal outcome if the next election would be a minority Labour government who adopt PR as part of the deal to firm a government. The Labour Party voted to adopt PR as party policy at last year's party conference - it's the Starmer leadership that's preventing it from being in the manifesto. A change of leadership could result in the will of party members being adopted and many potential candidates (including Andy Burnham) are in favour of PR. While Labour refuse to adopt PR I won't vote for them. If enough potential Labour voters make it known they won't either the current leadership might actually think again.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 15, 2023 15:13:45 GMT
I think you’ll be waiting a long time for PR. It would mean the end of the two party system so neither of them is ever likely to go for it. It would be like turkeys voting for Xmas I agree with you by the way that it’s a fairer system. Is that the same PR that the government in Spain will be propped up by the votes of a party of convicted criminals Who by coincidence the government gave amnesties to Or is it one of your preferred FPTP governments that had two convicted offenders in the two highest offices of the land?
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Post by salopstick on Nov 15, 2023 15:26:30 GMT
I dont have apathy however Helen Morgan has proven to be a very good constituency MP. I don't support her party however she seems to be achieving quite a lot in N Shrops so I will vote for her again. There seem to be a lot of MPs standing down at the next election. It might just raise standards amongst the new MPs that come through. Unfortunately in our current electoral system you vote for an MP but get a party, which in the case if Helen Morgan resulted in Johnson, May, Truss and Sunak. she is a lib dem
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 15, 2023 15:27:28 GMT
I think you’ll be waiting a long time for PR. It would mean the end of the two party system so neither of them is ever likely to go for it. It would be like turkeys voting for Xmas I agree with you by the way that it’s a fairer system. I understand the problem and my ideal outcome if the next election would be a minority Labour government who adopt PR as part of the deal to firm a government. The Labour Party voted to adopt PR as party policy at last year's party conference - it's the Starmer leadership that's preventing it from being in the manifesto. A change of leadership could result in the will of party members being adopted and many potential candidates (including Andy Burnham) are in favour of PR. While Labour refuse to adopt PR I won't vote for them. If enough potential Labour voters make it known they won't either the current leadership might actually think again. Can't say I agree with not voting for them on that principle alone, but fair enough if that is your breaking point. I've always approached our party politics and FPTP electoral system very much with pragmatism in mind. I'm not prepared to throw the baby out with the bath water in most cases and will vote for whoever I feel is more likely to do the right thing more of the time for more of the people. Currently that is quite clearly not the present government. A broadly pragmatic approach also allows you to be less dismissive of aspects of other parties' policies that might appeal where the overall approach doesn't. I agree about the need for PR. Just not prepared to risk another five years of the current Tory Party by abandoning a vote to get rid of them on the altar of PR. That probably doesn't help to see it implemented, I'd agree, but that's where the pragmatism comes in - is that more important than hopefully having a government that moves the country back to a saner, healthier, less hate-filled and less divisive position? For me, it isn't.
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Post by salopstick on Nov 15, 2023 15:27:40 GMT
everyone had the chance to vote for AV but didnt bother
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Nov 15, 2023 15:33:53 GMT
I dont have apathy however Helen Morgan has proven to be a very good constituency MP. I don't support her party however she seems to be achieving quite a lot in N Shrops so I will vote for her again. There seem to be a lot of MPs standing down at the next election. It might just raise standards amongst the new MPs that come through. Or lower them still further 😨
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Post by Veritas on Nov 15, 2023 16:10:20 GMT
Unfortunately in our current electoral system you vote for an MP but get a party, which in the case if Helen Morgan resulted in Johnson, May, Truss and Sunak. she is a lib dem Good point😲🤣🤣
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Post by leicspotter on Nov 15, 2023 18:31:54 GMT
Voting should be compulsory, and then the spoiled ballot papers really would have some significance, or maybe, just maybe, politicians might try a bit harder to really EARN our votes
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Post by Northy on Nov 15, 2023 18:32:12 GMT
As I'm in the Tatton Constituency our seat is normally signed, sealed and delivered before election day, the Tories could put Toby Blair up as an MP and the cnut would get voted in.
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Post by chad on Nov 15, 2023 19:56:51 GMT
I think you’ll be waiting a long time for PR. It would mean the end of the two party system so neither of them is ever likely to go for it. It would be like turkeys voting for Xmas I agree with you by the way that it’s a fairer system. I understand the problem and my ideal outcome if the next election would be a minority Labour government who adopt PR as part of the deal to firm a government. The Labour Party voted to adopt PR as party policy at last year's party conference - it's the Starmer leadership that's preventing it from being in the manifesto. A change of leadership could result in the will of party members being adopted and many potential candidates (including Andy Burnham) are in favour of PR. While Labour refuse to adopt PR I won't vote for them. If enough potential Labour voters make it known they won't either the current leadership might actually think again. Should get your wish there. The left hate Starmer but they know he’ll get them elected. He’ll be out on his arse within the first 12 months
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