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Post by bayernoatcake on May 6, 2024 13:29:07 GMT
He’s done it for a month and been shit for 6. And who cares that a full back is scoring when his failure at his primary job is part of the reason we were so shit? His crossing is also fucking terrible. So yes you’ve been conned, well done. We can expect the pattern to happen again next season if he signs. One good month and the rest not up to scratch. 🤦♂️ Don’t be such a condescending bellend. I’m good thanks flower 😘🤣 |
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Post by dirtygary69 on May 6, 2024 13:31:15 GMT
How dare he con us by scoring and creating goals as well as being part of an increasingly tight defence 😮 why act as if the last 1/4 of the season is irrelevant? He was an important player for us at a crucial time. But he wasn’t an important player during the most crucial time when we freefalled into the bottom three, I.E when we needed him to be an important player, that’s the point. We wouldn’t have needed SuperHoever if his lapses in concentration didn’t help to contribute to our worst run of form in the season. I don’t want to see him back here, he goes with my best wishes but we will be in the same situation next season when he hits the inevitable lull from October to March. The whole lot were shit under Neil though and all came better in the latter stages of the season. He might not be the greatest defender but I really think in a Schumacher system a player like him going forward will be a huge asset. I don’t see the same for Tchamadeu yet. Raw and all action, definitely but technically? Not sure. |
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Post by dirtygary69 on May 6, 2024 13:32:33 GMT
Don’t be such a condescending bellend. I’m good thanks flower 😘🤣 There’s genuinely just no reason to be such a complete dick all the time. “You’ve been conned”. Fuck off man. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 6, 2024 13:33:43 GMT
I’m good thanks flower 😘🤣 There’s genuinely just no reason to be such a complete dick all the time. “You’ve been conned”. Fuck off man. But you have…..twice. |
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Post by chiswickpotter on May 6, 2024 13:43:56 GMT
With the possibility of seeing Hoever again hovering in the background, do we think he's shown enough to be inked in as the main starter at RB next season? Still only 20, and only 900 minutes in the tank this season. Definitely promising, but maybe not seen quite enough to hang your hat on so far to go in with him and Gooch as the options there? Tchamadeu is thought of very highly here and is enjoying his time at the club. From what I've been told, he will be our starting right back next season. I heard the opposite. Significant concerns over his ability on the ball and judgement when tackling, which is why he was at Colchester not an elite academy. Certainly no thought of relaxing Hoever with him in the last few games. Far from certain his role next season |
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Post by jm on May 6, 2024 14:23:10 GMT
Tchamadeu isn't even half the footballer that Hoever is yet. Technically he is miles away still but masks his deficiencies with his physical presence. I'd prefer Hoever defensively and as an attacking threat if we can sign him again.
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Post by dirtygary69 on May 6, 2024 14:35:02 GMT
Tchamadeu is thought of very highly here and is enjoying his time at the club. From what I've been told, he will be our starting right back next season. I heard the opposite. Significant concerns over his ability on the ball and judgement when tackling, which is why he was at Colchester not an elite academy. Certainly no thought of relaxing Hoever with him in the last few games. Far from certain his role next season Hmmm, I could see it being this way round to be honest. Not sure if he was a club signing or a Neil one, but I think Schumacher prefers technical ability over power, as shown with Cundle’s final flourish. Even if we don’t get Hoever back, I’m not sure Junior will be the man to play there just yet. |
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Post by Gabrielzakuaniandjuliet on May 6, 2024 15:03:25 GMT
I think he's a good technical player. Certainly looked like that in the run of games before afcon. Form fell off a cliff when he left
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2024 16:53:29 GMT
Not sure where the physical but not technical description has come from?
We all saw his form take a hit post-AFCON.
There seems to be collective amnesia over at least half of Hoever's season at the exact same time...
JTi s our player.
He's absolutely good enough.
Should be starting.
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Post by owdestokie2 on May 6, 2024 17:23:24 GMT
Shock horror alert.
A 20 year old 1st Division footballer joins a struggling Championship Team (on and off the field), makes a few appearances, represents his country, gets injured and some supporters verdict is “he isn’t good enough”.
The phrase “let’s wait and see” comes to mind after seeing his progress or otherwise under professional football coaches who will be ultimately responsible for a style of play which may or may not his suit his ability or lack of it.
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Post by AlliG on May 6, 2024 18:13:21 GMT
Shock horror alert. A 20 year old 1st Division footballer joins a struggling Championship Team (on and off the field), makes a few appearances, represents his country, gets injured and some supporters verdict is “he isn’t good enough”. The phrase “let’s wait and see” comes to mind after seeing his progress or otherwise under professional football coaches who will be ultimately responsible for a style of play which may or may not his suit his ability or lack of it. He is one of a number of promising young players we now have at the club. One of the keys to progress this summer is if the coaching staff can step up their game to improve these players and help them to reach their potential. |
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Post by baconburger on May 7, 2024 7:05:11 GMT
Shock horror alert. A 20 year old 1st Division footballer joins a struggling Championship Team (on and off the field), makes a few appearances, represents his country, gets injured and some supporters verdict is “he isn’t good enough”. The phrase “let’s wait and see” comes to mind after seeing his progress or otherwise under professional football coaches who will be ultimately responsible for a style of play which may or may not his suit his ability or lack of it. He is one of a number of promising young players we now have at the club. One of the keys to progress this summer is if the coaching staff can step up their game to improve these players and help them to reach their potential. I’m really optimistic on this numerous players have improved under this regime. Signs of some actual coaching ability at last . Also I don’t like the idea that we should stop speculating and concentrate on building a squad for success on the pitch. Both things are necessary and one sustains the other if you’re ultimately unsuccessful on the pitch which let’s face it the vast majority of teams are every season. There’s no need to choose one or the other we need to blend both. |
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Post by baconburger on May 7, 2024 7:11:24 GMT
Not sure where the physical but not technical description has come from? We all saw his form take a hit post-AFCON. There seems to be collective amnesia over at least half of Hoever's season at the exact same time... JTi s our player. He's absolutely good enough. Should be starting. You’re obviously not seeing a player with a very heavy touch and constantly over hit distribution. Take the blinkers off, he’s got a lot of promise and is physically impressive but needs a lot of polishing. That can happen whilst playing with a simpler tactical plan for the position so he can concentrate on these things but that doesn’t seem to be Schu’s thinking so maybe he’s not ready to be first choice in a Schumacher team. |
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Post by skip on May 7, 2024 7:34:04 GMT
Which is the real Hoever? The one that has been playing since the Middlesbrough home game, or the awful accident waiting to happen that was here for two thirds of the season? It was the same last year. I’d be wary of spending more than a million on someone who has been so wildly inconsistent; alternatively you can see that there is genuine talent ther- can Schumacher and the training team get it on display regularly? He conned the fans last season and seemingly most have been conned again. It’s mad. Bayern. The only person on the Oatcake with con-proof eyes. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 7, 2024 7:48:59 GMT
He conned the fans last season and seemingly most have been conned again. It’s mad. Bayern. The only person on the Oatcake with con-proof eyes. Seemingly so. Most of you have already forgotten how shit most of this season has been. It’s really worrying. |
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2024 9:09:06 GMT
Which is the real Hoever? The one that has been playing since the Middlesbrough home game, or the awful accident waiting to happen that was here for two thirds of the season? It was the same last year. I’d be wary of spending more than a million on someone who has been so wildly inconsistent; alternatively you can see that there is genuine talent ther- can Schumacher and the training team get it on display regularly? He will likely become a very decent attacking fullback in the future. He’s in his early 20s. It’s why Wolves signed him to a new contract before this development loan. They are probably very happy that he featured so much. Next stop will be to a team that is more likely to regularly win games, as is the case with these things (see Harwood-Bellis, for example). |
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Post by J-Roar on May 7, 2024 12:51:12 GMT
Shock horror alert. A 20 year old 1st Division footballer joins a struggling Championship Team (on and off the field), makes a few appearances, represents his country, gets injured and some supporters verdict is “he isn’t good enough”. The phrase “let’s wait and see” comes to mind after seeing his progress or otherwise under professional football coaches who will be ultimately responsible for a style of play which may or may not his suit his ability or lack of it. James McLean got player of the year from these supporters. That tells me a great deal don't know their arse from their elbow. |
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Post by a on May 7, 2024 13:17:37 GMT
Shock horror alert. A 20 year old 1st Division footballer joins a struggling Championship Team (on and off the field), makes a few appearances, represents his country, gets injured and some supporters verdict is “he isn’t good enough”. The phrase “let’s wait and see” comes to mind after seeing his progress or otherwise under professional football coaches who will be ultimately responsible for a style of play which may or may not his suit his ability or lack of it. A bit like Doughty, who will most likely end up at an Everton or Bournemouth type club, yet couldn't get a chance here. The knee jerkiness at times is understandable but why rush into binning off a young player? Just seems to be fashionable |
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Post by a on May 7, 2024 13:18:59 GMT
Which is the real Hoever? The one that has been playing since the Middlesbrough home game, or the awful accident waiting to happen that was here for two thirds of the season? It was the same last year. I’d be wary of spending more than a million on someone who has been so wildly inconsistent; alternatively you can see that there is genuine talent ther- can Schumacher and the training team get it on display regularly? He will likely become a very decent attacking fullback in the future. He’s in his early 20s. It’s why Wolves signed him to a new contract before this development loan. They are probably very happy that he featured so much. Next stop will be to a team that is more likely to regularly win games, as is the case with these things (see Harwood-Bellis, for example). Or Jack Clarke, Ostigard etc, all playing for clubs doing much better than ourselves |
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Post by dirtygary69 on May 7, 2024 13:21:03 GMT
Shock horror alert. A 20 year old 1st Division footballer joins a struggling Championship Team (on and off the field), makes a few appearances, represents his country, gets injured and some supporters verdict is “he isn’t good enough”. The phrase “let’s wait and see” comes to mind after seeing his progress or otherwise under professional football coaches who will be ultimately responsible for a style of play which may or may not his suit his ability or lack of it. A bit like Doughty, who will most likely end up at an Everton or Bournemouth type club, yet couldn't get a chance here. The knee jerkiness at times is understandable but why rush into binning off a young player? Just seems to be fashionable What, like writing Hoever off as crap? The only criticism I have seen of Junior is that he might need to work on his attacking attributes under Schumacher. He's clearly a big, physical player to have but if you asked me if he fits how Schumacher wants to play right now, I'd say probably not. That's not to write him off, I'm just saying he might need to work on some things before he's fully trusted and deserving of a place in the side. |
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Post by a on May 7, 2024 13:25:05 GMT
A bit like Doughty, who will most likely end up at an Everton or Bournemouth type club, yet couldn't get a chance here. The knee jerkiness at times is understandable but why rush into binning off a young player? Just seems to be fashionable What, like writing Hoever off as crap? The only criticism I have seen of Junior is that he might need to work on his attacking attributes under Schumacher. He's clearly a big, physical player to have but if you asked me if he fits how Schumacher wants to play right now, I'd say probably not. That's not to write him off, I'm just saying he might need to work on some things before he's fully trusted and deserving of a place in the side. Hoever defensively isn't particularly good I get that, but he's a very good player going forwards, to the point that id try him in a more advanced role. Junior has had his detractors on here mate I'm not suggesting you are one and I agree that he's very young and learning his trade, that takes time and patience which hopefully he'll get |
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Post by Miles Offside on May 7, 2024 15:57:42 GMT
If we intend lining up as 4-3-3, then Junior at RB, Hoever (if he comes back) on the right of the midfield 3, and Million on the right of the front 3.
That would be a strong right flank.
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Post by GrahamHyde on May 7, 2024 17:10:35 GMT
Promising player and one we can hopefully develop, not sure how old he is (and can't be bothered to check) but I'd imagine early 20s.
Definitely worth keeping but if he's in as a first choice full back come August then we've done something wrong.
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Post by baconburger on May 7, 2024 18:22:51 GMT
If we intend lining up as 4-3-3, then Junior at RB, Hoever (if he comes back) on the right of the midfield 3, and Million on the right of the front 3. That would be a strong right flank. Hoever is a FB plain and simple not a midfielder or an attacker. His next best position is RCB. Most of the rest of the football world has discovered attacking FB’s, maybe one day it’ll reach Stoke-on-Trent. |
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Post by skip on May 7, 2024 21:51:50 GMT
Bayern. The only person on the Oatcake with con-proof eyes. Seemingly so. Most of you have already forgotten how shit most of this season has been. It’s really worrying. You state that most of us have already forgotten how shit most of this season has been. How would you know? When was the last you actually asked a question rather than stated your opinion as equivocal fact? I'll answer the question that you have not asked. I have attended ten games this season, five home and five away, all with my two teenage kids, one of which I've mentioned before plays developmental level football. I have watched virtually every other game through the power of, ahem, technology. Anyway, the point is that I have genuinely enjoyed roughly half a dozen games, really enjoyed a couple and been disappointed, frustrated with most of the others, and in a couple of occasions, actually seriously pissed off with the outcome. This takes nothing away from what I think Schumacher, and Walters, and some of the players we have now, could become ready for next season. I'm not some giddy eyed happy clapper who has flown in on the latest breeze, besotted with football, who is happy as long as I get to see eleven men run around in red and white stripes. I have footballing standards and hopes too you know. Well you don't know, because you never bother to engage people in a discussion, merely sneer at them for being in the wrong. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 7, 2024 21:57:01 GMT
Seemingly so. Most of you have already forgotten how shit most of this season has been. It’s really worrying. You state that most of us have already forgotten how shit most of this season has been. How would you know? When was the last you actually asked a question rather than stated your opinion as equivocal fact? I'll answer the question that you have not asked. I have attended ten games this season, five home and five away, all with my two teenage kids, one of which I've mentioned before plays developmental level football. I have watched virtually every other game through the power of, ahem, technology. Anyway, the point is that I have genuinely enjoyed roughly half a dozen games, really enjoyed a couple and been disappointed, frustrated with most of the others, and in a couple of occasions, actually seriously pissed off with the outcome. This takes nothing away from what I think Schumacher, and Walters, and some of the players we have now, could become ready for next season. I'm not some giddy eyed happy clapper who has flown in on the latest breeze, besotted with football, who is happy as long as I get to see eleven men run around in red and white stripes. I have footballing standards and hopes too you know. Well you don't know, because you never bother to engage people in a discussion, merely sneer at them for being in the wrong. How so? It’s like the fucking twilight zone on here. |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on May 8, 2024 8:01:28 GMT
You state that most of us have already forgotten how shit most of this season has been. How would you know? When was the last you actually asked a question rather than stated your opinion as equivocal fact? I'll answer the question that you have not asked. I have attended ten games this season, five home and five away, all with my two teenage kids, one of which I've mentioned before plays developmental level football. I have watched virtually every other game through the power of, ahem, technology. Anyway, the point is that I have genuinely enjoyed roughly half a dozen games, really enjoyed a couple and been disappointed, frustrated with most of the others, and in a couple of occasions, actually seriously pissed off with the outcome. This takes nothing away from what I think Schumacher, and Walters, and some of the players we have now, could become ready for next season. I'm not some giddy eyed happy clapper who has flown in on the latest breeze, besotted with football, who is happy as long as I get to see eleven men run around in red and white stripes. I have footballing standards and hopes too you know. Well you don't know, because you never bother to engage people in a discussion, merely sneer at them for being in the wrong. How so? It’s like the fucking twilight zone on here. It's more like 'Groundhog Day' when you're on here. |
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Post by tqstokie on May 8, 2024 8:44:13 GMT
You state that most of us have already forgotten how shit most of this season has been. How would you know? When was the last you actually asked a question rather than stated your opinion as equivocal fact? I'll answer the question that you have not asked. I have attended ten games this season, five home and five away, all with my two teenage kids, one of which I've mentioned before plays developmental level football. I have watched virtually every other game through the power of, ahem, technology. Anyway, the point is that I have genuinely enjoyed roughly half a dozen games, really enjoyed a couple and been disappointed, frustrated with most of the others, and in a couple of occasions, actually seriously pissed off with the outcome. This takes nothing away from what I think Schumacher, and Walters, and some of the players we have now, could become ready for next season. I'm not some giddy eyed happy clapper who has flown in on the latest breeze, besotted with football, who is happy as long as I get to see eleven men run around in red and white stripes. I have footballing standards and hopes too you know. Well you don't know, because you never bother to engage people in a discussion, merely sneer at them for being in the wrong. How so? It’s like the fucking twilight zone on here. You are well in the fantasy part. |
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Post by skip on May 8, 2024 9:17:22 GMT
You state that most of us have already forgotten how shit most of this season has been. How would you know? When was the last you actually asked a question rather than stated your opinion as equivocal fact? I'll answer the question that you have not asked. I have attended ten games this season, five home and five away, all with my two teenage kids, one of which I've mentioned before plays developmental level football. I have watched virtually every other game through the power of, ahem, technology. Anyway, the point is that I have genuinely enjoyed roughly half a dozen games, really enjoyed a couple and been disappointed, frustrated with most of the others, and in a couple of occasions, actually seriously pissed off with the outcome. This takes nothing away from what I think Schumacher, and Walters, and some of the players we have now, could become ready for next season. I'm not some giddy eyed happy clapper who has flown in on the latest breeze, besotted with football, who is happy as long as I get to see eleven men run around in red and white stripes. I have footballing standards and hopes too you know. Well you don't know, because you never bother to engage people in a discussion, merely sneer at them for being in the wrong. How so? It’s like the fucking twilight zone on here. You first used the metaphor of the Twilight Zone on here last week in reply to me, and on a few other occasions too. This is still intimating that we are in the main hypnotised goons who have apparently forgotten what this season was like. Referring to the Oatcake as The Twilight Zone is not contributing to a healthy discussion on next season at Stoke, its just a blanket insult. |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on May 8, 2024 13:30:04 GMT
Tchamadeu clearly has potential but is still very raw around the edges. I'd hope we are looking at building a squad with genuine competition in all positions and I'd be happier with a Stevens like tried and trusted pro battling it out with Tchamadeu for the first team slot - it would be good for him to have someone help him learn his trade.
In terms of what he brings I like the fact he can defend and get forward - not as good going forward as Hoever but a way better defender.
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