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Post by gcamoutsideboot on May 6, 2024 9:24:46 GMT
With the possibility of seeing Hoever again hovering in the background, do we think he's shown enough to be inked in as the main starter at RB next season? Still only 20, and only 900 minutes in the tank this season. Definitely promising, but maybe not seen quite enough to hang your hat on so far to go in with him and Gooch as the options there? Tchamadeu is thought of very highly here and is enjoying his time at the club. From what I've been told, he will be our starting right back next season. |
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Post by scfcadams on May 6, 2024 9:25:34 GMT
With the possibility of seeing Hoever again hovering in the background, do we think he's shown enough to be inked in as the main starter at RB next season? Still only 20, and only 900 minutes in the tank this season. Definitely promising, but maybe not seen quite enough to hang your hat on so far to go in with him and Gooch as the options there? I would prefer to start him over Gooch. |
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Post by Gary Hackett on May 6, 2024 9:25:41 GMT
With the possibility of seeing Hoever again hovering in the background, do we think he's shown enough to be inked in as the main starter at RB next season? Still only 20, and only 900 minutes in the tank this season. Definitely promising, but maybe not seen quite enough to hang your hat on so far to go in with him and Gooch as the options there? I'm happy with Tchamadeu and Gooch as the right back options with Wilmot and Leris able to give emergency cover there. We have bigger fish to fry at centre back and left back |
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Post by Gabrielzakuaniandjuliet on May 6, 2024 9:26:16 GMT
With the possibility of seeing Hoever again hovering in the background, do we think he's shown enough to be inked in as the main starter at RB next season? Still only 20, and only 900 minutes in the tank this season. Definitely promising, but maybe not seen quite enough to hang your hat on so far to go in with him and Gooch as the options there? Tchamadeu is thought of very highly here and is enjoying his time at the club. From what I've been told, he will be our starting right back next season. This makes sense and I really hope it's true. Rb is the absolute last position we should be spending money on this summer |
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Post by gingerninja on May 6, 2024 9:27:02 GMT
I agree with Hackett here, RB we have plenty of cover, he's our player, much as I like Hoever, we have more pressing starting places up for grabs.
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Post by thornestein on May 6, 2024 9:28:49 GMT
With the possibility of seeing Hoever again hovering in the background, do we think he's shown enough to be inked in as the main starter at RB next season? Still only 20, and only 900 minutes in the tank this season. Definitely promising, but maybe not seen quite enough to hang your hat on so far to go in with him and Gooch as the options there? I'm happy with Tchamadeu and Gooch as the right back options with Wilmot and Leris able to give emergency cover there. We have bigger fish to fry at centre back and left back surely cb & lb are the main positions to be filled before anywhere else |
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Post by scfcadams on May 6, 2024 9:30:02 GMT
I'm happy with Tchamadeu and Gooch as the right back options with Wilmot and Leris able to give emergency cover there. We have bigger fish to fry at centre back and left back surely cb & lb are the main positions to be filled before anywhere else ST and LB imo |
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2024 9:30:31 GMT
With the possibility of seeing Hoever again hovering in the background, do we think he's shown enough to be inked in as the main starter at RB next season? Still only 20, and only 900 minutes in the tank this season. Definitely promising, but maybe not seen quite enough to hang your hat on so far to go in with him and Gooch as the options there? What is the end point with Hoever? 1)He signed a new contract before his second loan. Wolves’ owner stated that the Championship is “the best development league” for PL talent when discussing this loan. 2) He cost Wolves £9 million. 3) His loan fee will only keep increasing. Why continue to develop someone else’s player and let our own become less and less valuable? Play Junior as a traditional fullback that overlaps Million. He looked good doing this before Cameroon and shit playing SS’ moronic inverted fullback nonsense post January. Is the difference between Hoever and Junior that great that it will be the decider for playoffs or relegation? I don’t think so. Then Hoever is a waste of a loan and a shortsighted option. The obvious money making strategy is to buy an experienced right back to cover and teach him. Then, let him grow. Do the opposite for left back and bring in a competent central defender around the age of 26-29. All of a sudden, defense issues are solved for the foreseeable future. Fuck loans. |
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Post by thornestein on May 6, 2024 9:31:00 GMT
surely cb & lb are the main positions to be filled before anywhere else ST and LB imo all 3 positions then |
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Post by Gods on May 6, 2024 9:31:53 GMT
With the possibility of seeing Hoever again hovering in the background, do we think he's shown enough to be inked in as the main starter at RB next season? Still only 20, and only 900 minutes in the tank this season. Definitely promising, but maybe not seen quite enough to hang your hat on so far to go in with him and Gooch as the options there? Blimey, I was about to look that up, did we really only get 10 games worth of meaningful action out of Tchamadeu all season? There was the Africa Nations and the injury of course. He is certainly a big physical presence, I just have not seen enough of him to deduce if he is any good at football or not. |
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Post by scfcadams on May 6, 2024 9:34:28 GMT
With the possibility of seeing Hoever again hovering in the background, do we think he's shown enough to be inked in as the main starter at RB next season? Still only 20, and only 900 minutes in the tank this season. Definitely promising, but maybe not seen quite enough to hang your hat on so far to go in with him and Gooch as the options there? Blimey, I was about to look that up, did we really only get 10 games worth of meaningful action out of Tchamadeu all season? There was the Africa Nations and the injury of course. He is certainly a big physical presence, I just have not seen enough of him to deduce if he is any good at football or not. He’s a 20 year old lad who made the leap up from L2, had an injury and when he came back from it Hoever was in the form of his life. Tchamadeu was really good when he played. We should be excited. |
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Post by pavel on May 6, 2024 9:37:43 GMT
With the possibility of seeing Hoever again hovering in the background, do we think he's shown enough to be inked in as the main starter at RB next season? Still only 20, and only 900 minutes in the tank this season. Definitely promising, but maybe not seen quite enough to hang your hat on so far to go in with him and Gooch as the options there? I'm not so sure, when he came here I thought so but of late I've felt he is still very raw and lacks composure and awareness at times and drifts out of position as he did when he came on as sub against Bristol City. It's a tough call but at the moment I'd prefer Hoever (I didn't think I would say this a few months ago) there if the price was right. Gooch doesn't do it for me, lots of energy but can be a bit of a headless chicken and doesn't get his head up to look for options and I don't think he particularly links well with the wingers. It's all about combinations and I think Hoever and Manhouf have built a pretty good combination recently. In the end of the day it will be about where we want to prioritise what we spend this summer and for that reason I suspect we'll be seeing Tchamadeu at right back. |
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Post by baconburger on May 6, 2024 9:46:18 GMT
Blimey, I was about to look that up, did we really only get 10 games worth of meaningful action out of Tchamadeu all season? There was the Africa Nations and the injury of course. He is certainly a big physical presence, I just have not seen enough of him to deduce if he is any good at football or not. He’s a 20 year old lad who made the leap up from L2, had an injury and when he came back from it Hoever was in the form of his life. Tchamadeu was really good when he played. We should be excited. He’s looked particularly clumsy since returning from AFCON in the few games he’s been involved in seems to have developed a very heavy touch whilst there both when controlling and distributing the ball. Needs a lot of polishing and even then I don’t think he’ll ever be anywhere near the level of technical ability that Hoever has. There are obviously some trade offs re physicality but imo they don’t compensate without lots of improvement on touch and delivery. People saying he’s a better player are kidding themselves. |
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Post by scfcadams on May 6, 2024 9:48:46 GMT
He’s a 20 year old lad who made the leap up from L2, had an injury and when he came back from it Hoever was in the form of his life. Tchamadeu was really good when he played. We should be excited. He’s looked particularly clumsy since returning from AFCON in the few games he’s been involved in seems to have developed a very heavy touch whilst there both when controlling and distributing the ball. Needs a lot of polishing and even then I don’t think he’ll ever be anywhere near the level of technical ability that Hoever has. There are obviously some trade offs re physicality but imo they don’t compensate without lots of improvement on touch and delivery. People saying he’s a better player are kidding themselves. I don’t think he’s a better player tbf. I would prefer Hoever. I just think JT is good enough to mitigate the need to spend what it would take to get Hoever and I think he has great potential. He was genuinely very good before AFCON and I don’t remember him being as bad as you do since he came back, though I’ll cede to your judgement there. |
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Post by baconburger on May 6, 2024 9:58:02 GMT
He’s looked particularly clumsy since returning from AFCON in the few games he’s been involved in seems to have developed a very heavy touch whilst there both when controlling and distributing the ball. Needs a lot of polishing and even then I don’t think he’ll ever be anywhere near the level of technical ability that Hoever has. There are obviously some trade offs re physicality but imo they don’t compensate without lots of improvement on touch and delivery. People saying he’s a better player are kidding themselves. I don’t think he’s a better player tbf. I would prefer Hoever. I just think JT is good enough to mitigate the need to spend what it would take to get Hoever and I think he has great potential. He was genuinely very good before AFCON and I don’t remember him being as bad as you do since he came back, though I’ll cede to your judgement there. I wouldn’t spend more than £2/3M on Hoever but I think if you can get him for that he’s an absolute no brainer. I don’t really see Gooch or Leris as viable competition for RB or any other position tbh they’re squad fillers. If they’re starting regularly in any position I’ll think we’ve had a very bad Summer. |
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Post by GrahamHyde on May 6, 2024 10:05:27 GMT
Jury still out for me, surprised to see him listed as a top player when we haven't seen anywhere near as much of him as we should.
Hopefully he sorts his injury out and can compete for a starting place next season. Not sure he's at the level required to be a play-off pushing team though.
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Post by dirtygary69 on May 6, 2024 10:24:03 GMT
I thought he was excellent defensively when he came into the team, and had the power to drive forward but he needs to get much better with the ball. If it is him for Hoever next season then I think you’ll see how much better Hoever is/was at getting forward.
Definitely a good defender and only very young, but think there’s some work to do there. A bit in the Wan Bissaka mould maybe.
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Post by lordb on May 6, 2024 10:31:52 GMT
I'm happy with Tchamadeu and Gooch as the right back options with Wilmot and Leris able to give emergency cover there. We have bigger fish to fry at centre back and left back surely cb & lb are the main positions to be filled before anywhere else Striker |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on May 6, 2024 10:35:38 GMT
surely cb & lb are the main positions to be filled before anywhere else Striker Above all else. |
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Post by thornestein on May 6, 2024 10:46:11 GMT
all 3 positions are important |
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on May 6, 2024 10:48:34 GMT
Get him fully fit and more polished and there’s no reason he can’t hit the ground running in August. We can’t justify a Hoever return with so many other positions to consider. I’m all for Stevens staying but as back up for a first choice. He could help out for a season I think. Keeper, left back, centre back and striker the first four on the list. I’d like to reduce the number of loans but it’ll depend on who we let go. In all of those four positions we need to add some steel and physicality as it’s a massive missing element for us at present.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on May 6, 2024 10:51:55 GMT
He is our player,we paid a fee for him,so any loan players have to be in other areas of the squad.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on May 6, 2024 11:09:23 GMT
all 3 positions are important The other two are important but striker, especially now we've got rid of the only one we had worthy of the name, is absolutely vital. If we don't address our chronic lack of goals we will continue to struggle. |
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Post by thehoof on May 6, 2024 11:19:49 GMT
Which is the real Hoever?
The one that has been playing since the Middlesbrough home game, or the awful accident waiting to happen that was here for two thirds of the season?
It was the same last year.
I’d be wary of spending more than a million on someone who has been so wildly inconsistent; alternatively you can see that there is genuine talent ther- can Schumacher and the training team get it on display regularly?
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 6, 2024 11:39:29 GMT
Which is the real Hoever? The one that has been playing since the Middlesbrough home game, or the awful accident waiting to happen that was here for two thirds of the season? It was the same last year. I’d be wary of spending more than a million on someone who has been so wildly inconsistent; alternatively you can see that there is genuine talent ther- can Schumacher and the training team get it on display regularly? He conned the fans last season and seemingly most have been conned again. It’s mad. |
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Post by dirtygary69 on May 6, 2024 11:42:52 GMT
Which is the real Hoever? The one that has been playing since the Middlesbrough home game, or the awful accident waiting to happen that was here for two thirds of the season? It was the same last year. I’d be wary of spending more than a million on someone who has been so wildly inconsistent; alternatively you can see that there is genuine talent ther- can Schumacher and the training team get it on display regularly? He conned the fans last season and seemingly most have been conned again. It’s mad. How dare he con us by scoring and creating goals as well as being part of an increasingly tight defence 😮 why act as if the last 1/4 of the season is irrelevant? He was an important player for us at a crucial time. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 6, 2024 11:45:57 GMT
He conned the fans last season and seemingly most have been conned again. It’s mad. How dare he con us by scoring and creating goals as well as being part of an increasingly tight defence 😮 why act as if the last 1/4 of the season is irrelevant? He was an important player for us at a crucial time. He’s done it for a month and been shit for 6. And who cares that a full back is scoring when his failure at his primary job is part of the reason we were so shit? His crossing is also fucking terrible. So yes you’ve been conned, well done. We can expect the pattern to happen again next season if he signs. One good month and the rest not up to scratch. 🤦♂️ |
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Post by Bojan Mackey on May 6, 2024 11:46:25 GMT
He conned the fans last season and seemingly most have been conned again. It’s mad. How dare he con us by scoring and creating goals as well as being part of an increasingly tight defence 😮 why act as if the last 1/4 of the season is irrelevant? He was an important player for us at a crucial time. But he wasn’t an important player during the most crucial time when we freefalled into the bottom three, I.E when we needed him to be an important player, that’s the point. We wouldn’t have needed SuperHoever if his lapses in concentration didn’t help to contribute to our worst run of form in the season. I don’t want to see him back here, he goes with my best wishes but we will be in the same situation next season when he hits the inevitable lull from October to March. |
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Post by davejohnno1 on May 6, 2024 12:30:13 GMT
Will be interesting to see how Junior develops over the next 12 months.
He’s a defensive version of Akinbiyi based on what I’ve seen to date. All brawn, no brain.
Be interesting to see if Schumacher can convert the athlete into a footballer
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Post by dirtygary69 on May 6, 2024 13:27:49 GMT
How dare he con us by scoring and creating goals as well as being part of an increasingly tight defence 😮 why act as if the last 1/4 of the season is irrelevant? He was an important player for us at a crucial time. He’s done it for a month and been shit for 6. And who cares that a full back is scoring when his failure at his primary job is part of the reason we were so shit? His crossing is also fucking terrible. So yes you’ve been conned, well done. We can expect the pattern to happen again next season if he signs. One good month and the rest not up to scratch. 🤦♂️ Don’t be such a condescending bellend. |
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