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Post by robwahlmann on Dec 24, 2023 9:44:44 GMT
What are we going to do when he is at ACON? Get a new left back in January and play Gooch at right back? I'd rather have Junior at right back and Gooch on the right wing. Gooch isn't a left back despite doing a decent job there, but Hoever certainly isn't the answer in any position at the back. I think we need another left back as Stevens is unable to play too many games to be the one to rely on.  |
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Post by Trouserdog on Dec 24, 2023 9:47:40 GMT
Has to start at RB every week.
That'll be one less position we need to worry about as he looks like he can defend and has all the physical attributes to make it at this level.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Dec 24, 2023 10:27:27 GMT
Get a new left back in January and play Gooch at right back? and Gooch on the right wing. Gooch isn't a left back despite doing a decent job there, but Hoever certainly isn't the answer in any position at the back. I think we need another left back as Stevens is unable to play too many games to be the one to rely on. Yes and me but the question I was replying to was 'what do we do when Junior goes off to the AFCON'? |
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Post by robwahlmann on Dec 24, 2023 11:11:18 GMT
I'd rather have Junior at right back and Gooch on the right wing. Gooch isn't a left back despite doing a decent job there, but Hoever certainly isn't the answer in any position at the back. I think we need another left back as Stevens is unable to play too many games to be the one to rely on. Yes and me but the question I was replying to was 'what do we do when Junior goes off to the AFCON'? Yes, Gooch to the right and Hoever back to Wolves!  |
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Post by spirered on Dec 24, 2023 11:13:41 GMT
Apart from Burger (and possibly Bae), Junior is the only player that has the potential to play at a higher level.
Hopefully he develops into that solid centre half that we've been missing for too long or a midfield destroyer, but probably a season or two away from being a really good player.
I'd happily sacrifice the remainder of the team to strengthen in January
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Dec 24, 2023 11:50:38 GMT
Yes and me but the question I was replying to was 'what do we do when Junior goes off to the AFCON'? Yes, Gooch to the right and Hoever back to Wolves! I'm not bothered where Hoever is as long as it's not full back for Stoke. I don't even dislike the idea of him playing further up the pitch in front of Junior as cover but his crossing is awful at the minute. In fact I don't think we've got a single player who can put a decent cross in either from open play or a dead ball. |
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Post by robwahlmann on Dec 24, 2023 18:56:31 GMT
Yes, Gooch to the right and Hoever back to Wolves! I'm not bothered where Hoever is as long as it's not full back for Stoke. I don't even dislike the idea of him playing further up the pitch in front of Junior as cover but his crossing is awful at the minute. In fact I don't think we've got a single player who can put a decent cross in either from open play or a dead ball. I'm 59 in January, but I bet I could take better set pieces than Hoever. Unfortunately I'm not able to do all that runningng and not at such pace either! |
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Post by malisastokie on Dec 24, 2023 19:43:22 GMT
At the risk of being asked how much I have had to drink:
I think Junior would be wasted at fullback !
He is clearly able to play on the wing and I think he would play any position well he is a natural.
He could be our next Arnie.
If you gave him the number nine jumper he would do way better than Wesley , Maee or Gayle…. He would create havoc with centre half’s.
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Post by chiprockets on Dec 24, 2023 19:47:01 GMT
I think Junior at RB or wide RCB and hoever in front would be pretty good as a combination.
He’s been poor this season, but we forget how good hoever was going forward
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Dec 24, 2023 19:58:31 GMT
I'm not bothered where Hoever is as long as it's not full back for Stoke. I don't even dislike the idea of him playing further up the pitch in front of Junior as cover but his crossing is awful at the minute. In fact I don't think we've got a single player who can put a decent cross in either from open play or a dead ball. I'm 59 in January, but I bet I could take better set pieces than Hoever. Unfortunately I'm not able to do all that runningng and not at such pace either! You young sprog. But you're right. |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Dec 24, 2023 20:07:28 GMT
At the risk of being asked how much I have had to drink: I think Junior would be wasted at fullback ! He is clearly able to play on the wing and I think he would play any position well he is a natural. He could be our next Arnie. If you gave him the number nine jumper he would do way better than Wesley , Maee or Gayle…. He would create havoc with centre half’s. You're probably not wrong but haven't we had enough of shoehorning square pegs into round holes over the years. He's best at full back or wing back and mainly on the right. Lets play him in his best position and get specialist centre backs and forwards to fill those slots. It feels like we've got a real diamond don't lets spoil it. PS full back can be a vital position if used right. |
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Post by baconburger on Dec 24, 2023 20:46:25 GMT
Thought Burger played quite well Bonham didn’t do owt wrong either Pretty sure he pushed one out right in front of him pretty late on (Bradshaw was on by then) thought he got away lightly there. |
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Post by idle on Dec 24, 2023 22:03:18 GMT
At the risk of being asked how much I have had to drink: I think Junior would be wasted at fullback ! He is clearly able to play on the wing and I think he would play any position well he is a natural. He could be our next Arnie. If you gave him the number nine jumper he would do way better than Wesley , Maee or Gayle…. He would create havoc with centre half’s. You're probably not wrong but haven't we had enough of shoehorning square pegs into round holes over the years. He's best at full back or wing back and mainly on the right. Lets play him in his best position and get specialist centre backs and forwards to fill those slots. It feels like we've got a real diamond don't lets spoil it. PS full back can be a vital position if used right. On the wing Junior is just a bigger, stronger Leris. He's a full back, with potential to be a Pearson type DM or a centreback. |
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Post by mtrstudent on Dec 24, 2023 22:35:06 GMT
You're probably not wrong but haven't we had enough of shoehorning square pegs into round holes over the years. He's best at full back or wing back and mainly on the right. Lets play him in his best position and get specialist centre backs and forwards to fill those slots. It feels like we've got a real diamond don't lets spoil it. PS full back can be a vital position if used right. On the wing Junior is just a bigger, stronger Leris. He's a full back, with potential to be a Pearson type DM or a centreback. He showed more ball control and smart passing than Leris. Excellent sub performance. |
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Post by idle on Dec 24, 2023 22:38:30 GMT
On the wing Junior is just a bigger, stronger Leris. He's a full back, with potential to be a Pearson type DM or a centreback. He showed more ball control and smart passing than Leris. Excellent sub performance. Well yeah, but Leris was horrible yesterday. He's had better games. What I mean is that Junior isn't a winger, as he's not skillful enough. Camparing him to Arnie is bollocks, he's a totally different kind of player. |
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Post by numpty40 on Dec 24, 2023 22:56:04 GMT
Junior is going to be a great player for us but he has a dropped bollock in him like most at this level.
I just hope there is a little more patience shown when he does start regularly than there is for some of the current starters.
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Post by mtrstudent on Dec 24, 2023 23:00:17 GMT
He showed more ball control and smart passing than Leris. Excellent sub performance. Well yeah, but Leris was horrible yesterday. He's had better games. What I mean is that Junior isn't a winger, as he's not skillful enough. Camparing him to Arnie is bollocks, he's a totally different kind of player. I've been getting worried for Leris, that's a bunch of poor performances on the bounce isn't it? |
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Post by baconburger on Dec 24, 2023 23:02:48 GMT
He showed more ball control and smart passing than Leris. Excellent sub performance. Well yeah, but Leris was horrible yesterday. He's had better games. What I mean is that Junior isn't a winger, as he's not skillful enough. Camparing him to Arnie is bollocks, he's a totally different kind of player. He’s strong and athletic and up for the physical battle. I think he’s a bit clumsy in the final third. Never mind Arnie people keep banging on about him playing instead of Hoever and there is a case for that but as yet technically he’s not on the same planet. |
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Post by baconburger on Dec 24, 2023 23:10:46 GMT
Well yeah, but Leris was horrible yesterday. He's had better games. What I mean is that Junior isn't a winger, as he's not skillful enough. Camparing him to Arnie is bollocks, he's a totally different kind of player. I've been getting worried for Leris, that's a bunch of poor performances on the bounce isn't it? His touch is extremely inconsistent sometimes he doesn’t look too bad (not good but like he might be a footballer at some level) and at others he’s got the touch of a rapist. He shouldn’t start in any forward role his output has been far too low for far too long to be anything other than what you ought to expect for the rest of his career. |
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Post by pottersrule on Dec 24, 2023 23:33:07 GMT
Get a new left back in January and play Gooch at right back? I'd rather have Junior at right back and Gooch on the right wing. Gooch isn't a left back despite doing a decent job there, but Hoever certainly isn't the answer in any position at the back. I think we need another left back as Stevens is unable to play too many games to be the one to rely on. Personally as things stand I would switch hoover and Junior.If we can get a decent left back in.(not had one since Pieter's)then you have a point. |
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Post by nottsover60 on Dec 25, 2023 0:47:19 GMT
At the risk of being asked how much I have had to drink: I think Junior would be wasted at fullback ! He is clearly able to play on the wing and I think he would play any position well he is a natural. He could be our next Arnie. If you gave him the number nine jumper he would do way better than Wesley , Maee or Gayle…. He would create havoc with centre half’s. As an old fashioned full back yes he would be wasted but I was reading an article the other day about how the role of full back has evolved and now they have to be some of the most adaptable, fittest and intelligent players in the team. Their role and position changes depending on whether their team has possession or is out of possession and they are no longer expected to just overlap and stay out wide but to join the midfield in possession and come more central. |
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Post by robwahlmann on Dec 25, 2023 8:05:26 GMT
I'd rather have Junior at right back and Gooch on the right wing. Gooch isn't a left back despite doing a decent job there, but Hoever certainly isn't the answer in any position at the back. I think we need another left back as Stevens is unable to play too many games to be the one to rely on. Personally as things stand I would switch hoover and Junior.If we can get a decent left back in.(not had one since Pieter's)then you have a point. Sorry, but I don't rate Hoever any longer as I think he is a liability. |
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Post by roylandstoke on Dec 25, 2023 9:27:11 GMT
He showed more ball control and smart passing than Leris. Excellent sub performance. Well yeah, but Leris was horrible yesterday. He's had better games. What I mean is that Junior isn't a winger, as he's not skillful enough. Camparing him to Arnie is bollocks, he's a totally different kind of player. After the boot to the head, I thought he may have been concussed; it certainly would explain his poorest performance so far. |
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Post by figo85 on Dec 25, 2023 9:30:10 GMT
At the risk of being asked how much I have had to drink: I think Junior would be wasted at fullback ! He is clearly able to play on the wing and I think he would play any position well he is a natural. He could be our next Arnie. If you gave him the number nine jumper he would do way better than Wesley , Maee or Gayle…. He would create havoc with centre half’s. Didn’t Antonio, of West Ham, start as a full back, then was pushed further forward ? |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Dec 25, 2023 10:12:48 GMT
At the risk of being asked how much I have had to drink: I think Junior would be wasted at fullback ! He is clearly able to play on the wing and I think he would play any position well he is a natural. He could be our next Arnie. If you gave him the number nine jumper he would do way better than Wesley , Maee or Gayle…. He would create havoc with centre half’s. As an old fashioned full back yes he would be wasted but I was reading an article the other day about how the role of full back has evolved and now they have to be some of the most adaptable, fittest and intelligent players in the team. Their role and position changes depending on whether their team has possession or is out of possession and they are no longer expected to just overlap and stay out wide but to join the midfield in possession and come more central. That's true but Tchamadeu is a marauding fullback - the role you are talking about requires a remarkable athlete who is also a very cultured footballer. You also need world class CBs behind them to pull it off - Tchamadeu is no Trent Alexander Arnold and McNally and Rose aren't Van Djik and Konate. I think we'll get the best out of Tchamadeu as an attacking fullback/wingback. As others have said he looks raw and probably has a mistake in him but certainly has potential. However I'd be happier with better CBs in the side to cover rather than supplement his cock ups. |
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Post by xchpotter on Dec 25, 2023 10:23:37 GMT
Junior is ten times the footballer of some of the dross we’ve got in that team. He’s one of the few players we have who when he comes inside is still positive with the ball, either passing it forward for a one two or switching the play wide. This is what coming inside is, not our usual come inside and lose momentum then pass sideways or backwards.
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Post by Northy on Dec 25, 2023 18:43:49 GMT
Was about the only player I was impressed with today. You didn't think Burger did well ? |
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Post by tqstokie on Dec 25, 2023 18:53:48 GMT
Junior really is an asset and must play. He looks to be progressive and can really see the right pass. A couple of times he was inches away form giving our forwards a clear cut chance. He is one of the big positives and think he could do a job just about anywhere you put him although I would rather see players in their preferred positions.
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Post by Northy on Dec 26, 2023 9:06:30 GMT
Junior really is an asset and must play. He looks to be progressive and can really see the right pass. A couple of times he was inches away form giving our forwards a clear cut chance. He is one of the big positives and think he could do a job just about anywhere you put him although I would rather see players in their preferred positions. Sometimes the 'preferred' position sometimes isn't the right one as the player develops, and changes to their game are easy to pick up easier for some than others. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2023 19:44:47 GMT
I'd rather have Junior at right back and Gooch on the right wing. Gooch isn't a left back despite doing a decent job there, but Hoever certainly isn't the answer in any position at the back. I think we need another left back as Stevens is unable to play too many games to be the one to rely on. Yes and me but the question I was replying to was 'what do we do when Junior goes off to the AFCON'? I’m now terrified at this already. |
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