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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 3, 2023 22:15:41 GMT
Before the game against Watford(when Bell reffed us)I was talking to Kevin Friend outside and he was telling me how good Bell is/was and they expect him to go to Select Group 1 eventually. On his performance tonight I think Sunday league football would be above his level the corrupt bastard 😡
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Post by scfcno1fan on Oct 3, 2023 22:17:00 GMT
Reporter to Martin. ‘What happened at full-time?’ Martin ‘Not sure but I didn’t get involved because Wesley is huge.
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Post by Davef on Oct 3, 2023 22:17:25 GMT
Not getting that tbh If you foul someone in the area it's a penalty. Either the ref didn't see it or the thought it wasn't a foul Or he's a cheat I'd like to think he just didn't see it but fuck knows You see it all the time elsewhere on the pitch too. A player has to be "in control of the ball" which can include shielding the ball without touching it or being able to get to the ball to be likely to get a free kick if an opponent makes contact with him. You see it regularly. Not all the time but pretty regularly. I know it's not a popular thing to say right now after that shit refereeing performance generally, but that'll be why it wasn't given - the ref didn't think Lowe had a chance to get the cross regardless of the defender's attentions so it didn't affect the outcome in his mind = no penalty. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have seen it given, I'm just trying to explain why it wasn't, rather than it being corruption! There's a more obvious reason why he didn't give it; he's a bottling shithouse. You won't see many more clear cut penalty decisions than that this season.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Oct 3, 2023 22:19:07 GMT
The bloke is an absolute joke and shouldn't be refereeing at any level.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 3, 2023 22:19:19 GMT
Not getting that tbh If you foul someone in the area it's a penalty. Either the ref didn't see it or the thought it wasn't a foul Or he's a cheat I'd like to think he just didn't see it but fuck knows You see it all the time elsewhere on the pitch too. A player usually has to be "in control of the ball" which can include shielding the ball without touching it or being able to get to the ball to be likely to get a free kick if an opponent makes contact with him. You see it regularly. Not all the time but pretty regularly. I know it's not a popular thing to say right now after that shit refereeing performance generally, but that'll be why it wasn't given - the ref didn't think Lowe had a chance to get the cross regardless of the defender's attentions so it didn't affect the outcome in his mind = no penalty. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have seen it given, I'm just trying to explain why it wasn't, rather than it being corruption! Having said that... "Also, it is very important to remember that a penalty kick foul can occur against opponents who do not have control of or are playing the ball, as long as the foul occurs in the penalty area". So, the ref could easily have given a pen for the challenge on Lowe. I'd guess that he didn't for the reason above ie he thought it didn't affect whether or not Lowe was getting to the cross. Tough break for Stoke, lucky one for Southampton.
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Post by twobanksoffour on Oct 3, 2023 22:19:51 GMT
Not getting that tbh If you foul someone in the area it's a penalty. Either the ref didn't see it or the thought it wasn't a foul Or he's a cheat I'd like to think he just didn't see it but fuck knows You see it all the time elsewhere on the pitch too. A player usually has to be "in control of the ball" which can include shielding the ball without touching it or being able to get to the ball to be likely to get a free kick if an opponent makes contact with him. You see it regularly. Not all the time but pretty regularly. I know it's not a popular thing to say right now after that shit refereeing performance generally, but that'll be why it wasn't given - the ref didn't think Lowe had a chance to get the cross regardless of the defender's attentions so it didn't affect the outcome in his mind = no penalty. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have seen it given, I'm just trying to explain why it wasn't, rather than it being corruption! Not sure about that. If that's the case, any team could defend against a cross coming in by hauling down all the opposition players in the area.
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Post by Absolution on Oct 3, 2023 22:20:03 GMT
Before the game against Watford(when Bell reffed us)I was talking to Kevin Friend outside and he was telling me how good Bell is/was and they expect him to go to Select Group 1 eventually. On his performance tonight I think Sunday league football would be above his level the corrupt bastard 😡 Remember how Rob Styles was promoted to the Premier League directly after the complete shafting he gave us at Gillingham? Tonight's performance won't have done the ref any harm at all.
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Post by matelot1996 on Oct 3, 2023 22:21:07 GMT
Maybe we could get the FA to consider replaying the match based on his obvious bias. I’m guessing they will back the useless cunt instead and he will continue to ruin our sport. 😂
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Post by yellowsnowman on Oct 3, 2023 22:23:05 GMT
This guy was utter utter dog shit.
Fucking shambolic decision making.
That result was played out via shocking decisions.
How does he not see lowe get spooned over to the floor!!
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 3, 2023 22:23:43 GMT
You see it all the time elsewhere on the pitch too. A player usually has to be "in control of the ball" which can include shielding the ball without touching it or being able to get to the ball to be likely to get a free kick if an opponent makes contact with him. You see it regularly. Not all the time but pretty regularly. I know it's not a popular thing to say right now after that shit refereeing performance generally, but that'll be why it wasn't given - the ref didn't think Lowe had a chance to get the cross regardless of the defender's attentions so it didn't affect the outcome in his mind = no penalty. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have seen it given, I'm just trying to explain why it wasn't, rather than it being corruption! Not sure about that. If that's the case, any team could defend against a cross coming in by hauling down all the opposition players in the area. Yes, it's a fair point that. I've amended/added to my previous comment. Although you pretty much do see that, grappling at least, especially at corners and it's only rarely given as a pen if and when it involves a player likely to be getting to the ball.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Oct 3, 2023 22:23:50 GMT
He started off ok and let the game flow. For the first half an hour or so he ignored a lot of their antics (particularly from Manning their left back who spent half the first half on the floor). By the letter of the law it was a foul by Laurent, soft yes, but a foul. After that thought he put on an absolute horror show of a performance. It was almost like he tried to show off that he couldn’t be intimidated. That resulted in giving them absolutely everything. He couldn’t wait to blow up for fouls, many of them the Southampton players didn’t even call for. It really was an example of how to lose control of a game of football. I think the changing point was about 30 mins in when Pearson got near either Downes or Armstrong (midfield) halfway in their half on their left side. Their player fell over with minimal contact and grabbed the ball - ref gave them the decision for nothing. After that we didn’t get a shout to be honest, can’t remember us getting a soft one or a 50/50 go our way. Poor showing from the ref tonight, lost his bearings and never really recovered to make it a fair fight.
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Post by matelot1996 on Oct 3, 2023 22:26:30 GMT
Sometimes you just have to accept corruption or incompetence from our “top level” referees. The FA don’t care as long as it doesn’t affect their reputation too much. Suck it up or stop financing the game that produces this shit.
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Post by thepottypotter on Oct 3, 2023 22:31:25 GMT
Excellent sentinel article. They scored the ref a 1! Spot on with this too: It will be a surprise, and damning for the EFL, if he is in charge of a match at Championship level again any time soon Ref scores 1
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 3, 2023 22:33:56 GMT
Fair play, Admin 👍
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Post by dirtygary69 on Oct 3, 2023 22:34:45 GMT
Well, opinions, eh? I thought he was perfectly
Fucking wank
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Post by wherty on Oct 3, 2023 22:36:14 GMT
Why wasn’t Alcatraz shown red at the end? The referee was up there with the worst Lucky escape for him... Retrospective sending off possibly.
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Post by callas12 on Oct 3, 2023 22:42:37 GMT
I'd called him a complete & utter 🔔🔚 at half time unbeknown at that stage his name was actually Mr Robert Bell. Very apt surname!
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Post by Marc01 on Oct 3, 2023 22:44:00 GMT
Just looked up the Watford match in August that he also reffed. Fouls: 21 Stoke 10 Watford Bookings: 4 Stoke 1 Watford So in 2 Stoke home games: Fouls 38 Stoke 12 Opposition Bookings 8 Stoke 2 Opposition He’s a real Homer 🙂 www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66482261
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Post by musik on Oct 3, 2023 22:56:22 GMT
Referee 1,5/5
We should have had a penalty (the second situation). He got an onside situation wrong. Easily gave them free kicks all the time.
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Post by metalhead on Oct 3, 2023 22:57:00 GMT
Maybe we could get the FA to consider replaying the match based on his obvious bias. I’m guessing they will back the useless cunt instead and he will continue to ruin our sport. 😂 Isn't this what the BBC have been dangerously masturbating over the last few days? Privileged dippers lol.
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Post by mcw on Oct 3, 2023 23:01:26 GMT
Don’t know why we bother, all referees seem to have it in for us.
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Post by whatsashig on Oct 3, 2023 23:03:28 GMT
I don’t think we helped ourselves, we made daft niggly fowls pulling shirts shorts and arms and the ref saw many of these and got to the point he got pissed of and then started going over board because he became vigilante to any situation, which was realised by the Southampton players to only add to the frustration, just need be more what’s the right word, commanding imposing dominating 🤔
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Post by theporcelainpele on Oct 3, 2023 23:32:49 GMT
I don’t think we helped ourselves, we made daft niggly fowls pulling shirts shorts and arms and the ref saw many of these and got to the point he got pissed of and then started going over board because he became vigilante to any situation, which was realised by the Southampton players to only add to the frustration, just need be more what’s the right word, commanding imposing dominating 🤔 Oh dear.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 3, 2023 23:35:09 GMT
Just watched some of the highlights since getting back from the game and I’m even angrier with the prick now😡How the fuck is that not a penalty on Nathan Lowe?Bednerek rugby tackles him😡 Also that foul on Burger and he books Leris🙄WTF? Also their bench went apeshit in front of me when that happened because we didn’t give them the ball back🤔
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Post by whatsashig on Oct 3, 2023 23:37:57 GMT
I don’t think we helped ourselves, we made daft niggly fowls pulling shirts shorts and arms and the ref saw many of these and got to the point he got pissed of and then started going over board because he became vigilante to any situation, which was realised by the Southampton players to only add to the frustration, just need be more what’s the right word, commanding imposing dominating 🤔 Oh dear. It was, quite ~un~avoidable
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Post by robstokie on Oct 3, 2023 23:46:01 GMT
Abysmal refereeing tonight. Think you've got to look at the figures (fouls 17-2 to us) and that is pushing towards investigation time, especially if theres any truth in that the PGMOL have apologised to us on no less than FIVE seperate occasions for stonewall pens that we havent been given before tonight.
Also think that if the Liverpool game is ordered to be replayed, then we have a cast iron case for ours to be replayed too given that the ref treated offences from both teams disproportionately, to the point of showing a clear bias against us (didnt he high 5 the Southampton players at the end? Again, if true, blatant bias that doesn't even pretend to make it even look like a fair fight), even fouling our own player meaning we lost possession, yet turning a blind eye to Nathan Lowe being rugby tackled by their centre half (regardless of whether Lowe was going to make it on the end of the cross he was impeded with brute force with a cynical and blatant attempt to stop his run - therefore its a penalty every time) Manning stamping on Burger and their shithouses grabbing our keeper around the throat and pushing him to the ground at full time. And that's just a few flashpoints.
No doubt that the result will stand regardless as the FA doesn't care for the smaller clubs at best, and that's if they ain't going out of their way to chuck clubs outside the big 6 under the bus. Watch them bend over to Liverpool and brush us under the carpet.
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Post by LphPotter on Oct 3, 2023 23:54:44 GMT
Fouls: Stoke - 17 Southampton - 2 Quite extraordinary stats and absolutely nothing at all dodgy going on there. This stat is absolutely mental and I had to check myself that it’s true and it is, has there ever been such a disparity in fouls during a game? It’s not even like they had all the ball, it was pretty much 50/50. Even with teams like Man City who regularly have 70% possession fouls are never that one sided, in their 5-1 win at home to Fulham they had 68% possession and fouls were 12 to each side. 2 fouls in 100 minutes of football? Seriously how can that be right?
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Post by scfcrmagic on Oct 4, 2023 0:19:38 GMT
I’ve been watching Stoke since 1983 I have seen some bizarre refereeing as far ack as Clive the book Thomas et all I have seen bias in many forms, shocking decisions, bottling decisions or just downright incompetence. I have never seen such a shocking display of refereeing at a Stoke match in all my time. Missed at least one penalty, gave them every foul, the free kick that led to the goal, booking our players without thought…. I thought these days were over but clearly not. I’m still shocked now in a ‘did that just happen’ sense. The man was blatantly anti Stoke - yes I know a childish suggestion- but I just can’t see it any other way on that performance. I agree with everything you said ( although I’ve been watching Stoke a bit longer ) your post saved from a mad rant …. And I must echo your comment of “did that just happen”? It was like an out of body experience, I wondered if I’d fallen asleep and dreamt it… That Bellend bloke is not fit to referee an under 11’s game, he’s a disgrace and the bit of “how’s your father “ as Nige would have put it at the end, was down To his incompetence.
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Post by victoria on Oct 4, 2023 0:30:22 GMT
Unacceptable Now it stoke city v the world. Instead of supporters booing inept matches. We can blame our relegation on those poor ref decisions that season. Poor or positive ref decisions have always been apart of the entertainment. We need a funny chant ( non abusive ) for ref's who are anti stoke city .
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Post by starkiller on Oct 4, 2023 0:33:16 GMT
Turned on talksport on the way home and they're still on about Liverpool and var. Bloody sick of it. Try just one week in our shoes Liverpool VAR won Liverpool the Premier League. Thankfully no-one was in to see it.
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