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Post by rowbeartoe on Sept 28, 2023 23:52:04 GMT
I keep seeing this pop up across here and on Twitter/X that we as fans have massive expectations and it's hard for players to rise up to it. Is it just me or is it complete bollocks? I don't think any fan would be upset at a top half finish with a push for playoffs and that was never an unrealistic expectation after relegation although as the years go by maybe it is becoming one but considering where we were 5 years ago and the money invested in the squad since I don't think it is a massive expectation at all.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2023 0:08:39 GMT
I keep seeing this pop up across here and on Twitter/X that we as fans have massive expectations and it's hard for players to rise up to it. Is it just me or is it complete bollocks? I don't think any fan would be upset at a top half finish with a push for playoffs and that was never an unrealistic expectation after relegation although as the years go by maybe it is becoming one but considering where we were 5 years ago and the money invested in the squad since I don't think it is a massive expectation at all. It’s rubbish in my opinion. My “expectation” this year was that we finished 14th. My hope was that we squeek into the playoffs. I don’t think that’s any different from most fans of most teams. |
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Post by dirtclod on Sept 29, 2023 0:23:02 GMT
Agree - rubbish. For the money that's been spent over the past few years, I don't think an expectation to finish in top half with a glance at least at the playoffs is too much to expect.
As far as the players "rising up to it" they should be going out there every match to win and not think at all about what comes past the next match.
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Post by GrahamHyde on Sept 29, 2023 1:12:10 GMT
I'd have been happy enough with 12th this season.
It's now getting to the stage where I'd take 20th.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Sept 29, 2023 2:34:03 GMT
Waits for danceswithclams....
We should be having expectations, we were fed that and I'm sure the club expect it too. Play offs shouldn't be massive expectations!
We are and have been served up with 'massive underperfomances' the shitter cover band of "massive expectations"! 😅
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Post by PotterLog on Sept 29, 2023 3:04:34 GMT
For this club, winning the English title would be a massive expectation - as it happens it’s one we’ve come within a few matches of in a couple of occasions. Making it into Europe would be a massive expectation. We’ve done that on a number of occasions. Winning a cup would be a massive expectation, again we’ve achieved that and made a couple of other finals. Beating the top clubs in the country would be a massive expectation, but we were doing that fairly routinely just eight or ten years ago.
Finishing somewhere close to the playoffs of the second division - or even in the top half - at least once in six years, is not a massive expectation. That is called a bare minimum and frankly anything less is a huge underachievement
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Post by victoria on Sept 29, 2023 4:28:31 GMT
To just about stay up.
New team
So week 10 , 10 points are needed. With at least 6 points from every group of 5 matches. There after. Therefore at least 6 points from a possible 15 points. Each group of 5 games.
That my massive expectation I guess that for the players that carries some stress. They carry a responsibility to keep a club up. For the club financially and the supporters.
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Post by vidigal7 on Sept 29, 2023 4:48:27 GMT
I wouldn't say expectations are massive, if expectations are crippling your performances then as a high level pro footballer, you're in the wrong profession.
However, I'm sure the uneeded personal remarks, and online public personal abuse they receive can have an effect. It's cowardly aswell
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Post by deeside2 on Sept 29, 2023 4:48:54 GMT
My expectation this season was to flirt with the playoffs but finish between 7th and 10th.
My hope was to get into the playoffs, and maybe, just maybe, actually get into the final and even win it.
Just seven games in and both have been dashed and now I'm resigned to yet another abysmal season
with yet another bottom half finish, whilst hopefully managing to avoid relegation, and with yet another
possible manager change chucked in for good measure.
It's the hope that kills isn't it.
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Post by shrewspotter on Sept 29, 2023 5:54:57 GMT
I think we just need to see a bit of progress to be honest, 5 seasons of regression or stalemate so we are due
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Post by Biblical on Sept 29, 2023 6:36:40 GMT
A tilt at the play-offs would be nice but I think realistically anything less than a top half finish will be a disaster for Neil, if he even makes it to the end of the season.
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Post by hotpot on Sept 29, 2023 6:40:44 GMT
Lose to Bristol and he will be sacked.
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Post by ashtonstokie on Sept 29, 2023 6:45:32 GMT
I think people just want to see us win a few games and maybe put a bit of a run together. It's amazing what a few wins does to fan morale. There's always a giddy few that think we'll win the league when we win a couple of games but most fans just want to see a bit of progression and a few wins. In my opinion that's not a lot to ask from the team and manager.
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Post by wilcopotter on Sept 29, 2023 6:50:50 GMT
Was hoping for 10th as a minimum this season. Starting to look like we may see Gareth Owen as caretaker manager come the international break at this point. Strange he has made his U-turn, or maybe he’s just decided working with Alex is ok after all. We shall see.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 29, 2023 6:52:31 GMT
There hasn’t been any.
People dared to get excited with the start of the season but there wasn’t any level of expectation.
It’s a load of total fictitious bollocks used as a poor excuse for shit football.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2023 6:53:22 GMT
I was excited to finish top half and, maybe just maybe, top 10 this season.
I mean fuck, it’s hardly shooting for the stars is it…
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Post by jay1610 on Sept 29, 2023 7:11:39 GMT
Even if it were true, which it isn’t, the manager and club could have no complaints this season.
They promised a huge overhaul and a budget that would compete at the top end of the division.
The manager now has to deliver against that hyperbole.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Sept 29, 2023 7:16:31 GMT
It would be some achievement finishing bottom half for 6 seasons in a row….
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2023 7:18:31 GMT
Its a bollocks excuse used to a) get people to temper their expectations and b) have a ready-baked excuse when we're underperforming and one of the so-called reasons is 'the pressure' that's on the players.
It's tripe, peddled by excuse-makers & apologists.
'Massive expectations' would suggest people are expecting us to storm the league. The wildest expectation I've seen is someone wanting us the have a good go at the Playoffs.
If the club/manager/players can't cope with that level of expectation, I'd strongly suggest them not giving up the day job.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2023 7:22:05 GMT
All the talk of a big turnover is getting on my nerves. It's not a Chelsea situation. It's 15-16 first teamers who are good at football and just need to run through drills.
They have every day to work with them.
First priority, practice defending set pieces all day long. Get the defence right
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 29, 2023 7:25:50 GMT
Lose to Bristol and he will be sacked. Sadly it’s not about him anymore , Jared. martin and he have a created a squad totally inadequate for any level fo English professional football and certainly this one . No manager can make this a decent team or even one to stay up but I agree we have to Terry just so frustrating so many of us called it last may |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2023 7:34:56 GMT
Lose to Bristol and he will be sacked. Sadly it’s not about him anymore , Jared. martin and he have a created a squad totally inadequate for any level fo English professional football and certainly this one . No manager can make this a decent team or even one to stay up but I agree we have to Terry just so frustrating so many of us called it last may Behave yourself |
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Post by geoff321 on Sept 29, 2023 7:40:58 GMT
I think think the majority of fans expect a manager to deliver us promotion back to the Premier League, after all we have wealthy owners and were in the top league just a few years ago.
As well we now see Notts Forest, Luton, Wolves, Burnley, Sheffield United etc all currently in the PL, clubs in the main smaller than us.
So if a manager appears not to have the ability to deliver us promotion fans turn on him, if mid table was acceptable to the majority then why call for the manager's head after just 8 games?
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Post by biddulphchav on Sept 29, 2023 7:42:19 GMT
It’s a load of shite. Most of the expectation is coming from outside the club, who are looking at how the manager has been backed and expecting us to do well.
As a fan base, we are so beaten down after the last 6 years most of us would be happy with mid table and a bit of entertainment - some good, attacking football. If that’s massive expectations then what’s reasonable as we go into a new season…hoping we don’t get relegated with record low points or what?
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 29, 2023 7:45:48 GMT
I'd say the overall average expectation of the oatcake board is a top 10 finish with signs that something resembling a PLAN is being developed. That is not in any way shape or form an over expectation.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 29, 2023 7:48:22 GMT
It’s a load of shite. Most of the expectation is coming from outside the club, who are looking at how the manager has been backed and expecting us to do well. As a fan base, we are so beaten down after the last 6 years most of us would be happy with mid table and a bit of entertainment - some good, attacking football. If that’s massive expectations then what’s reasonable as we go into a new season…hoping we don’t get relegated with record low points or what? The reality is Stoke have been that bad they've made a top half finish seem like a massive achievement. Their fault, not the fans for wishing for it. Warra shit show this last 7 years has been 😥 |
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Post by baconburger on Sept 29, 2023 7:48:56 GMT
All the talk of a big turnover is getting on my nerves. It's not a Chelsea situation. It's 15-16 first teamers who are good at football and just need to run through drills. They have every day to work with them. First priority, practice defending set pieces all day long. Get the defence right Yeah I mean it’s not like us scoring goals is a bigger problem are you Paul Lambert? |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 29, 2023 7:51:09 GMT
All the talk of a big turnover is getting on my nerves. It's not a Chelsea situation. It's 15-16 first teamers who are good at football and just need to run through drills. They have every day to work with them. First priority, practice defending set pieces all day long. Get the defence right Yeah I mean it’s not like us scoring goals is a bigger problem are you Paul Lambert? They're both a problem but I've got more faith in us scoring goals than I have in us stopping them at the moment. We're incapable of doing even the basics. |
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Post by jokker on Sept 29, 2023 7:52:43 GMT
I wouldn't say expectations are massive, if expectations are crippling your performances then as a high level pro footballer, you're in the wrong profession. However, I'm sure the uneeded personal remarks, and online public personal abuse they receive can have an effect. It's cowardly aswell Yes, but do we have any "high level" pros? I'd say we have medium level, veering towards lower level, i.e. League 1 football next season. So if you expect them to be high level, and they're lower level, it could be said that Stoke fans, with you as one of many examples, have unrealistic expectations. |
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Post by owdestokie2 on Sept 29, 2023 7:53:54 GMT
For this club, winning the English title would be a massive expectation - as it happens it’s one we’ve come within a few matches of in a couple of occasions. Making it into Europe would be a massive expectation. We’ve done that on a number of occasions. Winning a cup would be a massive expectation, again we’ve achieved that and made a couple of other finals. Beating the top clubs in the country would be a massive expectation, but we were doing that fairly routinely just eight or ten years ago. Finishing somewhere close to the playoffs of the second division - or even in the top half - at least once in six years, is not a massive expectation. That is called a bare minimum and frankly anything less is a huge underachievement You Sir in your relatively short post absolutely “Nailed It”………well said. Worth a repost. 👈 |
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