Wilmot

[FullerMagic]

www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/hull-city-target-double-midfield-9492509
Reports linking City with a move for Stoke City defender Ben Wilmot, however, are understood to be wide of the mark at this stage.

[Bera’s Beano]

Aug 18, 2024 0:55:26 GMT bayernoatcake said:

Aug 18, 2024 0:49:20 GMT mickstupp said:

Please yourself. It’s all history now anyway. For me, there were acceptable reasons why as I’ve explained.

And I don’t think they were. Like I don’t think they were with Schumacher.

Schumacher though concerns me in many different ways. There’s just too many Nathan Jones vibes about him.

I genuinely hope he doesn’t go the same way because it’s not healthy. But I don’t get the feeling that all is well is well in the current set up. Maybe I’m way off. But the dynamic seems off with Walters. And that worries me.

The Walters dynamic does look really off, there was a statement from John Coates the other week where he said "we all need to get behind..." and then listed something like John Walters, the head coach and the team.

It may be nothing but that sort of theme seems to be emerging everywhere that its entirely Walters' show, which seems strange for his role.

He's as much there to abate the fans as from merit so far and its just weird he's so prominent, giving so many interviews and being the face of the club pretty much.

[baconburger]

Aug 19, 2024 10:56:26 GMT Bera’s Beano said:

Aug 18, 2024 0:55:26 GMT bayernoatcake said:

And I don’t think they were. Like I don’t think they were with Schumacher.

Schumacher though concerns me in many different ways. There’s just too many Nathan Jones vibes about him.

I genuinely hope he doesn’t go the same way because it’s not healthy. But I don’t get the feeling that all is well is well in the current set up. Maybe I’m way off. But the dynamic seems off with Walters. And that worries me.

The Walters dynamic does look really off, there was a statement from John Coates the other week where he said "we all need to get behind..." and then listed something like John Walters, the head coach and the team.

It may be nothing but that sort of theme seems to be emerging everywhere that its entirely Walters' show, which seems strange for his role.

He's as much there to abate the fans as from merit so far and its just weird he's so prominent, giving so many interviews and being the face of the club pretty much.

It's not really weird, it's just exactly what JC keeps doing, putting his entire faith in an individual instead of laying down a blueprint/direction for the club and it's employees to follow. So yeah it's a bit weird given the structure but it's also entirely consistent of JC. No doubt he'll do the exact same thing again once Walters has run his course.

[wakefieldstokie]

My initial reaction is 'Stoke will never sanction that, no chance' Then I remembered this is Stoke, ...so I expect to see Wilmott in a Hull shirt on Friday morning

[WorkingclassHero]

Aug 19, 2024 11:13:36 GMT wakefieldstokie said:

My initial reaction is 'Stoke will never sanction that, no chance' Then I remembered this is Stoke, ...so I expect to see Wilmott in a Hull shirt on Friday morning

Let's be honest getting rid of Wilmot with the intention of loaning McNally to replace him, only for Mcnally to end up at Sheff Utd and us to need to bring in a free transfer post transfer deadline is exactly our operating model 😀

[Staffsoatcake]

If Wilmot moves to to Hull,we will have a better chance of scoring against them.

[wakefieldstokie]

Aug 19, 2024 11:36:35 GMT Staffsoatcake said:

If Wilmot moves to to Hull,we will have a better chance of scoring against them.

I doubt it; you normally need a goalscorer to score a goal

[maine]

I haven't been impressed by Wilmott over the years. However, recently I think he's been our best defender and wouldn't want to lose him. Credit has been given to the influence of Gibson, which might have an element of truth, though Gibson has made more mistakes than Wilmott in the last two matches.
I thought Phil Bowers did a pretty good commentating job at Watford, but actually attributed 3 good pieces of defending performed by Wilmott to others, twice to Gibson, and the other weirdly to Laurent.

[jesusmcmuffin]

Again

Our goals against hasn't been the issue

5 clean sheets until Saturday

[boskampsflaps]

Aug 19, 2024 11:39:20 GMT wakefieldstokie said:

Aug 19, 2024 11:36:35 GMT Staffsoatcake said:

If Wilmot moves to to Hull,we will have a better chance of scoring against them.

I doubt it; you normally need a goalscorer to score a goal

Not against Wilmot, any sod would do 😂

[Bera’s Beano]

Aug 19, 2024 11:03:43 GMT baconburger said:

Aug 19, 2024 10:56:26 GMT Bera’s Beano said:

The Walters dynamic does look really off, there was a statement from John Coates the other week where he said "we all need to get behind..." and then listed something like John Walters, the head coach and the team.

It may be nothing but that sort of theme seems to be emerging everywhere that its entirely Walters' show, which seems strange for his role.

He's as much there to abate the fans as from merit so far and its just weird he's so prominent, giving so many interviews and being the face of the club pretty much.

It's not really weird, it's just exactly what JC keeps doing, putting his entire faith in an individual instead of laying down a blueprint/direction for the club and it's employees to follow. So yeah it's a bit weird given the structure but it's also entirely consistent of JC. No doubt he'll do the exact same thing again once Walters has run his course.

When I say weird, I do mean weird for the way football usually works, the way that role usually works and how he's not even exactly tried and tested.

JC loves putting all his eggs in one basket, somehow even with blind luck you'd think you'd eventually stumble upon the right basket for a bit.

To get back on track, Wilmot isn't particularly good and theres no way in a million years we'd get £4 million for him, but he has played adequately in the 2 games, he can't be blamed indivdually for the Watford shambles.

[Northy]

Aug 19, 2024 12:14:41 GMT boskampsflaps said:

Aug 19, 2024 11:39:20 GMT wakefieldstokie said:

I doubt it; you normally need a goalscorer to score a goal

Not against Wilmot, any sod would do 😂

but the previous 5 games before Saturday, I take it those teams didn't have a sod ?

[silsdenstokie]

Im 50/50 on Wilmot

The fact that the much maligned Rose and McNally were our best CH pairing last season is quite telling

[numpty40]

Aug 19, 2024 15:29:23 GMT silsdenstokie said:

Im 50/50 on Wilmot

The fact that the much maligned Rose and McNally were our best CH pairing last season is quite telling

Only the oatcake experts thought they were.

[PotterLog]

Aug 19, 2024 16:22:07 GMT numpty40 said:

Aug 19, 2024 15:29:23 GMT silsdenstokie said:

Im 50/50 on Wilmot

The fact that the much maligned Rose and McNally were our best CH pairing last season is quite telling

Only the oatcake experts thought they were.

It doesn't necessarily tell the whole story but our goals against tally when Wilmot was in the team was absolutely terrifying.

[nottsover60]

Looks like a lot of posters are going to be very disappointed with Pelach's view of Wilmot.
www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-ben-wilmot-captain-9719908

The 'hope we never see him in a Stoke shirt again' brigade are at odds with the manager's view of him but then they are probably better judges of players than Pelach is. They'd better get used to watching Wilmot for as long as Pelach is here.

[Staffsoatcake]

Nov 19, 2024 10:13:20 GMT nottsover60 said:

Looks like a lot of posters are going to be very disappointed with Pelach's view of Wilmot.
www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-ben-wilmot-captain-9719908

The 'hope we never see him in a Stoke shirt again' brigade are at odds with the manager's view of him but then they are probably better judges of players than Pelach is. They'd better get used to watching Wilmot for as long as Pelach is here.

Wilmot hasn't made his usual cock up that Leads to us conceding since Pelach's been here,but he will sooner or later.

[etebojan]

Nov 19, 2024 11:07:40 GMT Staffsoatcake said:

Nov 19, 2024 10:13:20 GMT nottsover60 said:

Looks like a lot of posters are going to be very disappointed with Pelach's view of Wilmot.
www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-ben-wilmot-captain-9719908

The 'hope we never see him in a Stoke shirt again' brigade are at odds with the manager's view of him but then they are probably better judges of players than Pelach is. They'd better get used to watching Wilmot for as long as Pelach is here.

Wilmot hasn't made his usual cock up that Leads to us conceding since Pelach's been here,but he will sooner or later.

he's been at his best when he's stood in at right back (by best i mean has been reasonably solid and allowed him to do some of his marauding runs forward). I like the way NP talks about him though, he knows he's still got a lot of improving to do, i still think there is a good player in there, hopefully NP can get the best out of him

[moon]

Nov 19, 2024 11:22:44 GMT etebojan said:

Nov 19, 2024 11:07:40 GMT Staffsoatcake said:

Wilmot hasn't made his usual cock up that Leads to us conceding since Pelach's been here,but he will sooner or later.

he's been at his best when he's stood in at right back (by best i mean has been reasonably solid and allowed him to do some of his marauding runs forward). I like the way NP talks about him though, he knows he's still got a lot of improving to do, i still think there is a good player in there, hopefully NP can get the best out of him

I think that's a fair assessment of him, but it's about time he started to fulfill that potential, he's had a few very average seasons (as have most players at Stoke in recent years).

We wouldn't be able to field a team if the 'hope we never see him in a Stoke shirt again' brigade got their way.

[kerouac]

Does this mean we,the “ never want to see him in a Stoke shirt again” now have to change our opinion just like that…?
I’m quite happy to do so and would be very happy to be proved wrong cos it’ll mean we’ve a player doing a good job….time will tell,but he still puts the shits up me.

[pretzel]

Nov 19, 2024 11:07:40 GMT Staffsoatcake said:

Nov 19, 2024 10:13:20 GMT nottsover60 said:

Looks like a lot of posters are going to be very disappointed with Pelach's view of Wilmot.
www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-ben-wilmot-captain-9719908

The 'hope we never see him in a Stoke shirt again' brigade are at odds with the manager's view of him but then they are probably better judges of players than Pelach is. They'd better get used to watching Wilmot for as long as Pelach is here.

Wilmot hasn't made his usual cock up that Leads to us conceding since Pelach's been here,but he will sooner or later.

Can I just nail my colours to the mast and say I'm in the 'I've always liked Ben Wilmot' brigade
The 'Glad to see the back of Luke McNally' brigade
And the 'After initially disliking the player, I'm slowly warming to Michael Rose as a capable stand in centre back' brigade

[tommycarlsberg]

Nov 19, 2024 13:07:49 GMT kerouac said:

Does this mean we,the “ never want to see him in a Stoke shirt again” now have to change our opinion just like that…?
I’m quite happy to do so and would be very happy to be proved wrong cos it’ll mean we’ve a player doing a good job….time will tell,but he still puts the shits up me.

It's so fucking petty. The one upmanship on here is getting ridiculous. I don't rate him and I never have and that's my right as a supporter.

Not as if we've been nearly relegated to League 1 during his ever present stint at centre back. Oh, wait.

[wazbagsbro]

The fact he seems to be improving is exactly what we need to keep him for. Learning from games played(experience),
Learning from experienced colleagues (Gibson). Learning from more defensive manager and set up. It's all good guys

[tommycarlsberg]

Nov 19, 2024 17:25:51 GMT wazbagsbro said:

The fact he seems to be improving is exactly what we need to keep him for. Learning from games played(experience),
Learning from experienced colleagues (Gibson). Learning from more defensive manager and set up. It's all good guys

He’s 25…

[prestwichpotter]

Nov 19, 2024 17:32:37 GMT tommycarlsberg said:

Nov 19, 2024 17:25:51 GMT wazbagsbro said:

The fact he seems to be improving is exactly what we need to keep him for. Learning from games played(experience),
Learning from experienced colleagues (Gibson). Learning from more defensive manager and set up. It's all good guys

He’s 25…

Young pup for a centre back.....

[thehartshillbadger]

Nov 19, 2024 17:34:52 GMT prestwichpotter said:

Nov 19, 2024 17:32:37 GMT tommycarlsberg said:

He’s 25…

Young pup for a centre back.....

Utter cobblers

[kerouac]

Nov 19, 2024 16:55:08 GMT tommycarlsberg said:

Nov 19, 2024 13:07:49 GMT kerouac said:

Does this mean we,the “ never want to see him in a Stoke shirt again” now have to change our opinion just like that…?
I’m quite happy to do so and would be very happy to be proved wrong cos it’ll mean we’ve a player doing a good job….time will tell,but he still puts the shits up me.

It's so fucking petty. The one upmanship on here is getting ridiculous. I don't rate him and I never have and that's my right as a supporter.

Not as if we've been nearly relegated to League 1 during his ever present stint at centre back. Oh, wait.

Here here,or is it hear hear…I never know.
Amazing how an endorsement from the manager has now turned him into great player.

[onionman]

Nov 19, 2024 14:56:33 GMT pretzel said:

Nov 19, 2024 11:07:40 GMT Staffsoatcake said:

Wilmot hasn't made his usual cock up that Leads to us conceding since Pelach's been here,but he will sooner or later.

Can I just nail my colours to the mast and say I'm in the 'I've always liked Ben Wilmot' brigade
The 'Glad to see the back of Luke McNally' brigade
And the 'After initially disliking the player, I'm slowly warming to Michael Rose as a capable stand in centre back' brigade

I'm firmly in the 'When the house is burning down call the fire brigade' brigade.

[smallthorner]

I've always liked young Ben.

Narcis will make him into a top player.

[foxysgloves]

He reminds me a bit of Lee Sandford. The physicality and pace to be an excellent defender but prone to regular balls ups.

But after a few years of being a bit erratic Lee matured into a fantastic player. I think around his mid 20s.

And also as a consequence of learning from experienced players.

Maybe Gibson is helping Wilmot do the same?