Wilmot

[danceswithclams]

🎶We slip and slide as we fall in love...

Aug 17, 2024 23:57:29 GMT senojbor said:

and you just cant wait to be a cunt

😅

[bayernoatcake]

Aug 18, 2024 0:49:20 GMT mickstupp said:

Aug 18, 2024 0:47:29 GMT bayernoatcake said:

He went too far. Like Schumacher.

It wasn’t the same and from then he lost it.

I thought he was a coward and nothing will change my mind on that sorry.

Please yourself. It’s all history now anyway. For me, there were acceptable reasons why as I’ve explained.

And I don’t think they were. Like I don’t think they were with Schumacher.

Schumacher though concerns me in many different ways. There’s just too many Nathan Jones vibes about him.

I genuinely hope he doesn’t go the same way because it’s not healthy. But I don’t get the feeling that all is well is well in the current set up. Maybe I’m way off. But the dynamic seems off with Walters. And that worries me.

[clivey05]

Anything over 3 million , I would be seriously tempted to sell.
My biggest concern with Wilmot is, I don’t think he’s actually improved since we signed him. He was ok then and he’s still just ok now. He just hasn’t developed into the sort of centre half you need to get you up this league. For me, he’s a centre half in a right backs body.

[mamathestriker]

Aug 18, 2024 0:55:26 GMT bayernoatcake said:

Aug 18, 2024 0:49:20 GMT mickstupp said:

Please yourself. It’s all history now anyway. For me, there were acceptable reasons why as I’ve explained.

And I don’t think they were. Like I don’t think they were with Schumacher.

Schumacher though concerns me in many different ways. There’s just too many Nathan Jones vibes about him.

I genuinely hope he doesn’t go the same way because it’s not healthy. But I don’t get the feeling that all is well is well in the current set up. Maybe I’m way off. But the dynamic seems off with Walters. And that worries me.

It's something I've picked up on too. SS keeps referring to "the recruitment team" basically needing to get the players we need.

How many coaches have we got? Cavanagh, Hughes, Cohen and Morris? Seems a lot?

I think SJW wouldn't hesitate in getting rid, but that's just a hunch rather than anything else.

[numpty40]

We get this thread every time we lose, no-one moaning about him during the 5 previous consecutive clean sheets where the only ever present back 5 starter was......Wilmot😁

[HarryTheHat]

Aug 17, 2024 20:24:45 GMT neckender78 said:

Aug 17, 2024 19:52:27 GMT tommycarlsberg said:

He is the worst centre half we’ve had since relegation.

Absolute rubbish

Ashley Williams
Liam Lindsey
Carter Vickers
James Chester

They are just off the top of me head. Willmott is ok probably a mid table championship centre half which is what we are. Clearly need to upgrade all over the pitch if we want to improve but we've had far worse shit players and also attitudes than what Willmott has shown here

I raise you.....

Aden Flint
Connor Taylor
Luke McNally

All worse than Wilmot

[jay1610]

Wilmot is a Championship defender who looks fine in a balanced defence. Yeah he’s probably not getting in any promotion team, but to suggest he’s the worst CB since we came down is mental.

I’d take a fee for him if it meant reinvesting in a striker though.

[neckender78]

Aug 18, 2024 7:21:58 GMT HarryTheHat said:

Aug 17, 2024 20:24:45 GMT neckender78 said:

Absolute rubbish

Ashley Williams
Liam Lindsey
Carter Vickers
James Chester

They are just off the top of me head. Willmott is ok probably a mid table championship centre half which is what we are. Clearly need to upgrade all over the pitch if we want to improve but we've had far worse shit players and also attitudes than what Willmott has shown here

I raise you.....

Aden Flint
Connor Taylor
Luke McNally

All worse than Wilmot

My memory had completely erased Flint, good god he was shocking as mobile as a steamroller and hie positional sense for an experienced player was atrocious. Would agree about Mcnally also.

But they must all be better than Willmott the oracle knicker wetters after a defeat say so.

[benjaminbiscuit]

Aug 18, 2024 5:40:42 GMT mamathestriker said:

Aug 18, 2024 0:55:26 GMT bayernoatcake said:

And I don’t think they were. Like I don’t think they were with Schumacher.

Schumacher though concerns me in many different ways. There’s just too many Nathan Jones vibes about him.

I genuinely hope he doesn’t go the same way because it’s not healthy. But I don’t get the feeling that all is well is well in the current set up. Maybe I’m way off. But the dynamic seems off with Walters. And that worries me.

It's something I've picked up on too. SS keeps referring to "the recruitment team" basically needing to get the players we need.

How many coaches have we got? Cavanagh, Hughes, Cohen and Morris? Seems a lot?

I think SJW wouldn't hesitate in getting rid, but that's just a hunch rather than anything else.

Agree that relationship does seem a bit unclear watching walters latest video he seems more front of house than normal for that role.

[robwahlmann]

Aug 18, 2024 7:27:20 GMT jay1610 said:

Wilmot is a Championship defender who looks fine in a balanced defence. Yeah he’s probably not getting in any promotion team, but to suggest he’s the worst CB since we came down is mental.

I’d take a fee for him if it meant reinvesting in a striker though.

He is not that bad, but if we could get £3M+ for him I would defenitely sell.

[nottsover60]

Aug 17, 2024 21:42:36 GMT spitthedog said:

He is one of 4 players imo who should not be anywhere near a starting line up alongside Gooch, Thompson and Laurent.

These players should either be competing to get on our bench, or be playing somewhere else.

We will always struggle with these as regulars.

The odd good game doesn't cut it and leaves us consistently vulnerable to results like today. Nothing to do with 'hating'.

I could possibly agree on Gooch but he is only playing because of injuries. You need to get used to Wilmot, Laurent and Thompson playing because on top of their games they are as good as you get in the Championship and we are only a mid table not a top 6 or even 8 team at the moment. My understanding, though I haven't even seen the highlights, is that it was out wide that we were done because the full backs are not good enough and Watford spotted that. If we don't get Stevens back soon or fail to sign  Hoever or equivalent I think teams will target that area and we will find out what a bad defensive full back looks like instead of attaching that label to Hoever. 

[bayernoatcake]

Aug 18, 2024 8:40:43 GMT nottsover60 said:

Aug 17, 2024 21:42:36 GMT spitthedog said:

He is one of 4 players imo who should not be anywhere near a starting line up alongside Gooch, Thompson and Laurent.

These players should either be competing to get on our bench, or be playing somewhere else.

We will always struggle with these as regulars.

The odd good game doesn't cut it and leaves us consistently vulnerable to results like today. Nothing to do with 'hating'.

I could possibly agree on Gooch but he is only playing because of injuries. You need to get used to Wilmot, Laurent and Thompson playing because on top of their games they are as good as you get in the Championship and we are only a mid table not a top 6 or even 8 team at the moment. My understanding, though I haven't even seen the highlights, is that it was out wide that we were done because the full backs are not good enough and Watford spotted that. If we don't get Stevens back soon or fail to sign  Hoever or equivalent I think teams will target that area and we will find out what a bad defensive full back looks like instead of attaching that label to Hoever. 

As good as you get in the Championship?

What?

We’re not a mid table side. We’re relegation battlers. And it’s players like the 4 mentioned why we are such.

[nottsover60]

Aug 17, 2024 23:59:28 GMT bayernoatcake said:

Aug 17, 2024 23:57:29 GMT senojbor said:

You really take it to the limit. Why don't you fuck yourself off. 5 wins on the bounce and one defeat in 11 and you just cant wait to be a cunt

Again.
Have you been asleep for 7 years.

You don’t care about this club. You can’t.

Some people choose to care about the club by giving their support. To say they don't care is cruel. It could be said that you don't care because you are always finding fault. 

[baconburger]

Aug 18, 2024 8:40:43 GMT nottsover60 said:

Aug 17, 2024 21:42:36 GMT spitthedog said:

He is one of 4 players imo who should not be anywhere near a starting line up alongside Gooch, Thompson and Laurent.

These players should either be competing to get on our bench, or be playing somewhere else.

We will always struggle with these as regulars.

The odd good game doesn't cut it and leaves us consistently vulnerable to results like today. Nothing to do with 'hating'.

I could possibly agree on Gooch but he is only playing because of injuries. You need to get used to Wilmot, Laurent and Thompson playing because on top of their games they are as good as you get in the Championship and we are only a mid table not a top 6 or even 8 team at the moment. My understanding, though I haven't even seen the highlights, is that it was out wide that we were done because the full backs are not good enough and Watford spotted that. If we don't get Stevens back soon or fail to sign  Hoever or equivalent I think teams will target that area and we will find out what a bad defensive full back looks like instead of attaching that label to Hoever. 

The FB’s weren’t poor defensively they just weren’t defending the flanks but the edge of the box, it was obviously a tactical instruction. I’m not sure why the players are getting blamed for it.

[bayernoatcake]

Aug 18, 2024 8:43:17 GMT nottsover60 said:

Aug 17, 2024 23:59:28 GMT bayernoatcake said:

Again.
Have you been asleep for 7 years.

You don’t care about this club. You can’t.

Some people choose to care about the club by giving their support. To say they don't care is cruel. It could be said that you don't care because you are always finding fault. 

You don’t need to find fault.

The club football wise is a mess and has been for too long.

Everything we do football wise is shit.

[cyprus1stokey]

Don't forget that Clarke bloke from last season, what a waste of .only he was

[cyprus1stokey]

Money

[nottsover60]

Aug 18, 2024 8:44:05 GMT baconburger said:

Aug 18, 2024 8:40:43 GMT nottsover60 said:

I could possibly agree on Gooch but he is only playing because of injuries. You need to get used to Wilmot, Laurent and Thompson playing because on top of their games they are as good as you get in the Championship and we are only a mid table not a top 6 or even 8 team at the moment. My understanding, though I haven't even seen the highlights, is that it was out wide that we were done because the full backs are not good enough and Watford spotted that. If we don't get Stevens back soon or fail to sign  Hoever or equivalent I think teams will target that area and we will find out what a bad defensive full back looks like instead of attaching that label to Hoever. 

The FB’s weren’t poor defensively they just weren’t defending the flanks but the edge of the box, it was obviously a tactical instruction. I’m not sure why the players are getting blamed for it.

So do you think Bocat and Junior had better games than Wilmot and Gibson? I saw nothing of the game, but regardless of instructions you guess were given, do you think they played well? Presumably Gooch and Million were supposed to be covering the space on the outside of the box? Certainly shouldn't have been Wilmot and Gibson.

I get fed up of the excuse that players were playing to the instructions. Fine but on the field of play you see a space and the player/ball aiming at that space you don't rigidly stick those instructions and abdicate responsibility because it's not your job.

I think last season, despite all the criticism he gets, Hoever used his speed to cover so there wasn't such an issue and Stevens was very tactically aware and worked well  with Bae. 

[nottsover60]

Aug 18, 2024 8:44:35 GMT bayernoatcake said:

Aug 18, 2024 8:43:17 GMT nottsover60 said:

Some people choose to care about the club by giving their support. To say they don't care is cruel. It could be said that you don't care because you are always finding fault. 

You don’t need to find fault.

The club football wise is a mess and has been for too long.

Everything we do football wise is shit.

Not arguing about that although I think there has been a genuine awareness and effort to improve, hence the signing of in general younger players and a much more pragmatic approach to only signing what we need than any players we think are good.

I don't think it's fair to criticise people who see the good rather than the bad and telling them that they don't care. Supporters want different things from clubs and matches and many go to see and cheer what is good and others go to watch more critically. Neither group are completely right.

When I started going as a teenager I just went to see the players. Dad was appalled that I stood right at the front of the Stoke End cos he said I couldn't see the match and play from there but I didn't go for tactics (or even probably the result!), just to get a close up view of my idols. 

[baconburger]

Aug 18, 2024 9:12:39 GMT nottsover60 said:

Aug 18, 2024 8:44:05 GMT baconburger said:

The FB’s weren’t poor defensively they just weren’t defending the flanks but the edge of the box, it was obviously a tactical instruction. I’m not sure why the players are getting blamed for it.

So do you think Bocat and Junior had better games than Wilmot and Gibson? I saw nothing of the game, but regardless of instructions you guess were given, do you think they played well? Presumably Gooch and Million were supposed to be covering the space on the outside of the box? Certainly shouldn't have been Wilmot and Gibson.

I get fed up of the excuse that players were playing to the instructions. Fine but on the field of play you see a space and the player/ball aiming at that space you don't rigidly stick those instructions and abdicate responsibility because it's not your job.

I think last season, despite all the criticism he gets, Hoever used his speed to cover so there wasn't such an issue and Stevens was very tactically aware and worked well  with Bae. 

You could have asked Million and Gooch to drop very deep and defend the flanks. If you did that right from the start of the second half based on what you’d seen in the first you’re playing for a goalless draw. If you did it as a reaction to going behind less than 2 minutes into the second half you’re playing a damage limitation game. As for having bad games just depends what your definition of that is no one maybe with the exception of the keeper made the sort of glaring errors we’re so used to seeing but most of the players lost their physical battles.

[emretezzy]

Aug 18, 2024 7:11:30 GMT numpty40 said:

We get this thread every time we lose, no-one moaning about him during the 5 previous consecutive clean sheets where the only ever present back 5 starter was......Wilmot😁

I agree with this.

But this is always round the corner isn't it. It happens all the time.

[Chewbacca the Wookie]

I don’t mind Wilmot biggest issue for me is he’s not tall enough to be a CB.
Always like 2 big lads like Huth and Shawcross.

[bayernoatcake]

Aug 18, 2024 9:20:48 GMT nottsover60 said:

Aug 18, 2024 8:44:35 GMT bayernoatcake said:

You don’t need to find fault.

The club football wise is a mess and has been for too long.

Everything we do football wise is shit.

Not arguing about that although I think there has been a genuine awareness and effort to improve, hence the signing of in general younger players and a much more pragmatic approach to only signing what we need than any players we think are good.

I don't think it's fair to criticise people who see the good rather than the bad and telling them that they don't care. Supporters want different things from clubs and matches and many go to see and cheer what is good and others go to watch more critically. Neither group are completely right.

When I started going as a teenager I just went to see the players. Dad was appalled that I stood right at the front of the Stoke End cos he said I couldn't see the match and play from there but I didn't go for tactics (or even probably the result!), just to get a close up view of my idols. 

Of course there has but it’s the same bloke making the same decisions, expecting a different outcome.

There is no good. It’s delusion. It doesn’t help. It’s actually pretty damaging.

[nottsover60]

Aug 18, 2024 9:24:30 GMT bayernoatcake said:

Aug 18, 2024 9:20:48 GMT nottsover60 said:

Not arguing about that although I think there has been a genuine awareness and effort to improve, hence the signing of in general younger players and a much more pragmatic approach to only signing what we need than any players we think are good.

I don't think it's fair to criticise people who see the good rather than the bad and telling them that they don't care. Supporters want different things from clubs and matches and many go to see and cheer what is good and others go to watch more critically. Neither group are completely right.

When I started going as a teenager I just went to see the players. Dad was appalled that I stood right at the front of the Stoke End cos he said I couldn't see the match and play from there but I didn't go for tactics (or even probably the result!), just to get a close up view of my idols. 

Of course there has but it’s the same bloke making the same decisions, expecting a different outcome.

There is no good. It’s delusion. It doesn’t help. It’s actually pretty damaging.

Schumacher hasn't been given a fair chance yet. He obviously hasn't been given the tools he wants from his interview. It must be very difficult to play the way you want to when you only have one fit winger and one fit forward  who is 18 and played at most 20 games of men's football for your loan striker role. While there is still two weeks of the window left, in my opinion he is right to stick to the formation he wants to play and they did well enough last week. It sounds as if yesterday's match followed a similar pattern. Started well until the opposition found our weaknesses. Last week in many ways we were fortunate. Coventry had early chances in both halves but didn't take them  meaning we could stick to the same formation, be happy with a draw or get the luck of one chance which we took in the second half. If Coventry had scored one of them I suspect we would have lost. If Watford hadn't taken those two early second half chances would the result have been a draw? We could then have started the season with two draws, one point less than we have but would it have been a more encouraging start? Different points of view. 

[nottsover60]

Aug 18, 2024 9:36:52 GMT nottsover60 said:

Aug 18, 2024 9:24:30 GMT bayernoatcake said:

Of course there has but it’s the same bloke making the same decisions, expecting a different outcome.

There is no good. It’s delusion. It doesn’t help. It’s actually pretty damaging.

Schumacher hasn't been given a fair chance yet. He obviously hasn't been given the tools he wants from his interview. It must be very difficult to play the way you want to when you only have one fit winger and one fit forward  who is 18 and played at most 20 games of men's football for your loan striker role. While there is still two weeks of the window left, in my opinion he is right to stick to the formation he wants to play and they did well enough last week. It sounds as if yesterday's match followed a similar pattern. Started well until the opposition found our weaknesses. Last week in many ways we were fortunate. Coventry had early chances in both halves but didn't take them  meaning we could stick to the same formation, be happy with a draw or get the luck of one chance which we took in the second half. If Coventry had scored one of them I suspect we would have lost. If Watford hadn't taken those two early second half chances would the result have been a draw? We could then have started the season with two draws, one point less than we have but would it have been a more encouraging start? Different points of view. 

Are you saying that there was no good v Coventry and nothing at all yesterday? The BBC makes it sound as if for half a hour the teams exchanged equal attacking blows. As I say some people want to enjoy a match and want something to cheer because that is why they go. It doesn't mean they don't care. In fact I think the manager and players would say they prefer that sort of supporter because it gives them encouragement and confidence

[bayernoatcake]

Aug 18, 2024 9:40:40 GMT nottsover60 said:

Aug 18, 2024 9:36:52 GMT nottsover60 said:

Schumacher hasn't been given a fair chance yet. He obviously hasn't been given the tools he wants from his interview. It must be very difficult to play the way you want to when you only have one fit winger and one fit forward  who is 18 and played at most 20 games of men's football for your loan striker role. While there is still two weeks of the window left, in my opinion he is right to stick to the formation he wants to play and they did well enough last week. It sounds as if yesterday's match followed a similar pattern. Started well until the opposition found our weaknesses. Last week in many ways we were fortunate. Coventry had early chances in both halves but didn't take them  meaning we could stick to the same formation, be happy with a draw or get the luck of one chance which we took in the second half. If Coventry had scored one of them I suspect we would have lost. If Watford hadn't taken those two early second half chances would the result have been a draw? We could then have started the season with two draws, one point less than we have but would it have been a more encouraging start? Different points of view. 

Are you saying that there was no good v Coventry and nothing at all yesterday? The BBC makes it sound as if for half a hour the teams exchanged equal attacking blows. As I say some people want to enjoy a match and want something to cheer because that is why they go. It doesn't mean they don't care. In fact I think the manager and players would say they prefer that sort of supporter because it gives them encouragement and confidence

In the grand scheme of things it’s pretty irrelevant. The grand scheme being a downward trajectory.

Of course they would they love the easy life they have creaming good money for being shite.

[nottsover60]

Aug 18, 2024 9:47:11 GMT bayernoatcake said:

Aug 18, 2024 9:40:40 GMT nottsover60 said:

Are you saying that there was no good v Coventry and nothing at all yesterday? The BBC makes it sound as if for half a hour the teams exchanged equal attacking blows. As I say some people want to enjoy a match and want something to cheer because that is why they go. It doesn't mean they don't care. In fact I think the manager and players would say they prefer that sort of supporter because it gives them encouragement and confidence

In the grand scheme of things it’s pretty irrelevant. The grand scheme being a downward trajectory.

Of course they would they love the easy life they have creaming good money for being shite.

In my experience of motivating my children, grandchildren and classes of children, praise, encouragement and success is far more effective than punishment, criticism and failure. I can't effect the money players are paid and I am a great believer in only getting involved in things you can effect not raising your blood pressure over things you have no influence over. Perhaps that makes me a happy clapper but I'd rather enjoy what I can. I don't pay £25 to go and grumble and moan. 

[Chewbacca the Wookie]

Aug 18, 2024 9:56:58 GMT nottsover60 said:

Aug 18, 2024 9:47:11 GMT bayernoatcake said:

In the grand scheme of things it’s pretty irrelevant. The grand scheme being a downward trajectory.

Of course they would they love the easy life they have creaming good money for being shite.

In my experience of motivating my children, grandchildren and classes of children, praise, encouragement and success is far more effective than punishment, criticism and failure. I can't effect the money players are paid and I am a great believer in only getting involved in things you can effect not raising your blood pressure over things you have no influence over. Perhaps that makes me a happy clapper but I'd rather enjoy what I can. I don't pay £25 to go and grumble and moan. 

Spot on. You should try the EE board that’s even worse.

[bayernoatcake]

Aug 18, 2024 9:56:58 GMT nottsover60 said:

Aug 18, 2024 9:47:11 GMT bayernoatcake said:

In the grand scheme of things it’s pretty irrelevant. The grand scheme being a downward trajectory.

Of course they would they love the easy life they have creaming good money for being shite.

In my experience of motivating my children, grandchildren and classes of children, praise, encouragement and success is far more effective than punishment, criticism and failure. I can't effect the money players are paid and I am a great believer in only getting involved in things you can effect not raising your blood pressure over things you have no influence over. Perhaps that makes me a happy clapper but I'd rather enjoy what I can. I don't pay £25 to go and grumble and moan. 

Realism. If someone isn’t good enough and shows that consistently then there’s no point.

[Staffsoatcake]

If I was young & fit,I would carry him on my back all the way to Hull.