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Post by Clayton Wood on Sept 24, 2023 16:00:47 GMT
Well Del Boy was pretty clear in his Transfer Window Debrief that he'd given AN the tools to do the job. Not his fault.
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Post by E1 Potter on Sept 24, 2023 19:56:56 GMT
It's not that the players we've signed are bad (some are, but some look decent). It's the lack of recruitment in crucial positions that's fucking us up, while we're overstocked in others. Totally agree
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Post by devondumpling on Sept 24, 2023 20:48:59 GMT
It's not that the players we've signed are bad (some are, but some look decent). It's the lack of recruitment in crucial positions that's fucking us up, while we're overstocked in others. Totally agree i.e. 3 centre backs in squad and playing 3 centre backs matchdays
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 24, 2023 20:52:58 GMT
Well Del Boy was pretty clear in his Transfer Window Debrief that he'd given AN the tools to do the job. Not his fault. Absolutely the rats will be eating other soon . Big reverse coming up in the news
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Post by theonlooker on Sept 24, 2023 20:54:42 GMT
Well Del Boy was pretty clear in his Transfer Window Debrief that he'd given AN the tools to do the job. Not his fault. Absolutely the rats will be eating other soon . Big reverse coming up in the news If you're suggesting Gareth Owen is now staying then it's old news. Someone said that on here the other day.
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Post by Squeekster on Sept 24, 2023 20:57:33 GMT
Alex couldn't organize a piss up in a brewery! The sooner he goes the better, he's already saying recruitment wasn't down to him yet 3 players, Johnson,Pearson and Gooch he's worked with before! Warnock is available now.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Sept 24, 2023 21:00:07 GMT
Rather play two wingers up front than Wesley, why did he sign him in the first place. Burger - totally anonymous, came off injured Travers looked suspect for the first goal, haven't seen it again. The centre backs well what can you say. I thought Wesley was out best player when he came on. Ran and chased the ball unlike everyone else, held it up and generally did well. The defence is my biggest concern. I don't like any one of them. Completely agree with that mate. I thought Wesley was very good today actually and showed glimpses of what he could do if we actually got any fucking service to him. Him and Vidigal were the only two who can hold their heads up today, the rest can get fucked.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 24, 2023 21:10:36 GMT
Absolutely the rats will be eating other soon . Big reverse coming up in the news If you're suggesting Gareth Owen is now staying then it's old news. Someone said that on here the other day. It’s a sign the first wave of the tide is turning , add that to Martin and neils public comments on who is responsible fof recruitment and the cranks sre emerging
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2023 21:44:01 GMT
Rose & McNally - how did Coventry get on the verge of the Premier League last season? To be fair the pair of them didn't play 46 championship games between them. They were more squad players than regular starters. McNally signed for Coventry on 26 Jan and played nearly every game available thereafter. He basically replaced Rose in the team.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Sept 24, 2023 21:46:23 GMT
To be fair the pair of them didn't play 46 championship games between them. They were more squad players than regular starters. McNally signed for Coventry on 26 Jan and played nearly every game available thereafter. He basically replaced Rose in the team. Rose is a shocking signing. One of the worst defenders I've ever seen full stop. Mcnally can't be judged as he's been asked to perform a role that doesn't suit
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 24, 2023 21:55:23 GMT
I'm in a nice open field, he's shite and has been shite for some time, laughable that he got player of the season, he constantly drops a bollock. Good, let's do one over someone else rather than us getting done on transfers, they'll soon realise they've made a mistake. Edit: playing left sided isn't the problem, his inability to defend is, or pass, or show a tiny bit of strength. Except he’s not been shit, and the stats back up that he’s not been shit. But like Thompson you’ve got nowhere left to go so even when these players obviously have a good game (I’m taking in general terms now not today) at best you come up with some backhanded compliment bullshit…… Thompson is what he is, not much of a player, he'll do what he does which is try to get in the way and take the easy option. That aside, I don't care about the stats, I can see with my own eyes, he's also been a main stay in a defence that's been pretty awful for some time, do the stats show how many times hes given it way, missed a header he should win or been out muscled which either directly lead to a goal or, like today, gave the oppo a very very good chance at one? I'm pretty sure I gave Wilmot motm in one of the games this season so you're seeing what you want to see, but in general I think he's shite and he's a long way from proving me wrong.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 24, 2023 21:59:08 GMT
It's not that the players we've signed are bad (some are, but some look decent). It's the lack of recruitment in crucial positions that's fucking us up, while we're overstocked in others. I think this is spot on, we seem to have been very complacent about the state of the defence, two CBs wasn't enough and neither is two strikers. Obviously we don't know what really went on but the defence needed to be a priority and it seems they had other ideas.
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Post by march4 on Sept 24, 2023 22:20:24 GMT
Plenty of good players there, just not a center back or striker you can trust, which is what a lot of people are saying during the window That is indeed the crux of the matter.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 24, 2023 23:44:46 GMT
Travers should come for the first but Wilmot has a simple job to do even with that. He has about 3/4 chances to stick it in row z. He’s absolutely fucking useless.
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Post by kustokie on Sept 25, 2023 2:24:01 GMT
The worst players this season,are the ones who were here last season. Laurant,Campbell,Wilmot,Thompson, Rose is worse than those four. But your point is well taken.
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Post by pottersrule on Sept 25, 2023 5:36:46 GMT
The worst players this season,are the ones who were here last season. Laurant,Campbell,Wilmot,Thompson, Think Rose and McNally scupper that theory,but I know what you mean.Thats half the bloody team.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Oct 27, 2023 17:31:35 GMT
Again, today is evidence that although the players we signed I think are generally very astute signings, we gambled heavily and unnecessarily on the spine of the team.
So now we are left with Bonham as first choice keeper, which nobody wanted. If the option of recall was not excluded in the loan agreement for Travers, then we had to recruit another keeper and let Bonham go. He's crap.
I'm not going to go into detail again on centre back and striker positions. But obviously we took gambles there, investing only a small transfer fee in one unproven striker, the other clearly suffering with recovery from a severe career damaging injury. At center back we have seen how weak we are in that position too, having to resort to recruiting a free agent no one signed in the summer.
I can't understand the decision making
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 27, 2023 17:38:29 GMT
2 goalkeepers were the minimum in the summer.
I’m the end we signed half of one.
Absolutely shocking.
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Post by milton58 on Oct 27, 2023 19:07:37 GMT
2 goalkeepers were the minimum in the summer. I’m the end we signed half of one. Absolutely shocking. are you sure you support stoke
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 27, 2023 19:09:32 GMT
2 goalkeepers were the minimum in the summer. I’m the end we signed half of one. Absolutely shocking. are you sure you support stoke Yes. Why would any Stoke fan not have wanted 2 new goalkeepers in the summer? Absolute negligence. Are you sure you support Stoke if you were happy with that situation? Doesn’t seem like of someone that is meant to love something. Being happy that an area of it has been neglected.
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Post by hughjarse on Oct 27, 2023 19:15:30 GMT
are you sure you support stoke Yes. Why would any Stoke fan not have wanted 2 new goalkeepers in the summer? Absolute negligence. Are you sure you support Stoke if you were happy with that situation? Doesn’t seem like of someone that is meant to love something. Being happy that an area of it has been neglected. I agree. I was saying all summer that we had to sign two keepers. You only have to look at Wednesday night…..Leeds had Karl Darlow on the bench while we had Bonham
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 27, 2023 19:17:48 GMT
Yes. Why would any Stoke fan not have wanted 2 new goalkeepers in the summer? Absolute negligence. Are you sure you support Stoke if you were happy with that situation? Doesn’t seem like of someone that is meant to love something. Being happy that an area of it has been neglected. I agree. I was saying all summer that we had to sign two keepers. You only have to look at Wednesday night…..Leeds had Karl Darlow on the bench while we had Bonham Yeah it was a key area that needed sorting. But hey we gave new contracts to Bonham, Fielding and Blondy. Great recruitment.
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Oct 27, 2023 19:47:42 GMT
Must admit when we only signed Travers on loan, I assumed it was a watertight no recall loan. Made no sense to turn down Sarkic on a permanent deal if Travers had a recall option. I know Sarkic has gone on to get injured but that's with the benefit of hindsight and there's no guarantee that would have happened here.
Just seems ridiculous that we put all our eggs in the basket of a keeper with a recall option.
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Post by foxysgloves on Oct 27, 2023 19:51:04 GMT
Where’s that fuckin Yank who looks like Rylan off This Morning.
Snake oil salesman.
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Post by theonlooker on Oct 27, 2023 19:54:34 GMT
Where’s that fuckin Yank who looks like Rylan off This Morning. Snake oil salesman. He won't be the one driving. He's the one who finds players based on the parameters he's given and on the face of it, we've recruited well for what we've gone for. The strategy of what positions we cover would have come from the other two major players in the process - Martin and Neil.
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Post by foxysgloves on Oct 27, 2023 19:57:29 GMT
Where’s that fuckin Yank who looks like Rylan off This Morning. Snake oil salesman. He won't be the one driving. He's the one who finds players based on the parameters he's given and on the face of it, we've recruited well for what we've gone for. The strategy of what positions we cover would have come from the other two major players in the process - Martin and Neil. Maybe so. Whoever’s to blame has left us deep in the shit.
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Post by lordherefordsknob on Oct 27, 2023 20:17:47 GMT
are you sure you support stoke Yes. Why would any Stoke fan not have wanted 2 new goalkeepers in the summer? Absolute negligence. Are you sure you support Stoke if you were happy with that situation? Doesn’t seem like of someone that is meant to love something. Being happy that an area of it has been neglected. The whole of the defence has been neglected since Neil came here, he has done much better further up the pitch.
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Post by thebet365 on Oct 27, 2023 20:28:50 GMT
Again, today is evidence that although the players we signed I think are generally very astute signings, we gambled heavily and unnecessarily on the spine of the team. So now we are left with Bonham as first choice keeper, which nobody wanted. If the option of recall was not excluded in the loan agreement for Travers, then we had to recruit another keeper and let Bonham go. He's crap. I'm not going to go into detail again on centre back and striker positions. But obviously we took gambles there, investing only a small transfer fee in one unproven striker, the other clearly suffering with recovery from a severe career damaging injury. At center back we have seen how weak we are in that position too, having to resort to recruiting a free agent no one signed in the summer. I can't understand the decision making You can debate all day long about the risks of relying on a loan keeper as your No 1 but can we put to bed once and for all this option to recall bullshit. What happened today is a non negotiable part of any loan deal involving a goalkeeper. If there was no option to recall in JANUARY they still would have recalled him today.
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Post by walrus on Oct 27, 2023 20:40:00 GMT
Must admit when we only signed Travers on loan, I assumed it was a watertight no recall loan. Made no sense to turn down Sarkic on a permanent deal if Travers had a recall option. I know Sarkic has gone on to get injured but that's with the benefit of hindsight and there's no guarantee that would have happened here. Just seems ridiculous that we put all our eggs in the basket of a keeper with a recall option. One of the ITKs who is usually fairly reliable was adamant we were signing Travers on a permanent in the summer. I wonder if that was originally what was on the cards so we binned off Sarkic, only for Bournemouth to change their minds and only allow a loan.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Oct 27, 2023 20:50:20 GMT
Again, today is evidence that although the players we signed I think are generally very astute signings, we gambled heavily and unnecessarily on the spine of the team. So now we are left with Bonham as first choice keeper, which nobody wanted. If the option of recall was not excluded in the loan agreement for Travers, then we had to recruit another keeper and let Bonham go. He's crap. I'm not going to go into detail again on centre back and striker positions. But obviously we took gambles there, investing only a small transfer fee in one unproven striker, the other clearly suffering with recovery from a severe career damaging injury. At center back we have seen how weak we are in that position too, having to resort to recruiting a free agent no one signed in the summer. I can't understand the decision making You can debate all day long about the risks of relying on a loan keeper as your No 1 but can we put to bed once and for all this option to recall bullshit. What happened today is a non negotiable part of any loan deal involving a goalkeeper. If there was no option to recall in JANUARY they still would have recalled him today. In any loan agreement, an option to recall has to be included in order for a loan to be recalled. I'm not sure I understand how what happened today falls outside of the contract agreed between the two clubs. Are you saying that any club can recall a player, even if there's no recall option, if they have 'exceptional circumstances'? I've never heard of that before. My understanding is there was a recall option in the agreement. The fa rule says you can exercise that recall option outside of the transfer window in exceptional circumstances, and that's what has happened today. So there must have been a recall option there. It highlights the risk of only having one competent goalkeeper, and that goalkeeper being on loan. We should have had a better contingency plan for this than jack Bonham, who has proven time and again he isn't good enough
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