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Post by shakermaker on Feb 18, 2024 0:03:05 GMT
One thing that that post has proved is that there's a lot of thick and gullible Stoke supporters these days. It's actually really embarrassing. See where you are coming from Mr Hackett.. I'm probably gullible and not that thick (debatable perhaps) but there must be something going on ?? The most amazing thing though to me is that Stevie said Hoever would not have been playing today if McNally was fit. There's summat amiss in this Club Just said so on the Hoever thread, I thought it was an astonishing thing to say given that both Hoever and McNally started against QPR whilst Wilmot was on the bench.
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Post by Olgrligm on Feb 18, 2024 0:12:54 GMT
One thing that that post has proved is that there's a lot of thick and gullible Stoke supporters these days. It's actually really embarrassing. See where you are coming from Mr Hackett.. I'm probably gullible and not that thick (debatable perhaps) but there must be something going on ?? The most amazing thing though to me is that Stevie said Hoever would not have been playing today if McNally was fit. There's summat amiss in this Club Occam's razor says that this can all be explained without worrying about a Ricky Martin conspiracy. Mmaee is out of the squad because of his well-publicised disciplinary issues. Vidigal is in a poor run of form and is good friends with Mmaee - or at least Jonty Williams said so at a meet the players night a while back. Haksabanovic has looked really poor under Schumacher in his fleeting appearances so far. I think it's highly debatable that any of those three would have improved us at all today. Iversen was limping on Wednesday and injured today. Would you have had Hoever in the team ahead of McNally today, honestly? Plus the other players who have been left out of the squad are Campbell - English academy graduate - and Johnson, who was born in Jamaica but has played in England for the majority of his life. Gooch played. Burger and Junho were benched because of the amount of minutes they've played and both came on. Burger was made captain when he came on. Manhoef came on as sub, while Leris and Wesley were on the bench. A more plausible answer is that the manager has whittled his squad down to the players that he thinks are buying into what he wants to do and who he can trust.
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Post by smallthorner on Feb 18, 2024 0:24:16 GMT
See where you are coming from Mr Hackett.. I'm probably gullible and not that thick (debatable perhaps) but there must be something going on ?? The most amazing thing though to me is that Stevie said Hoever would not have been playing today if McNally was fit. There's summat amiss in this Club Occam's razor says that this can all be explained without worrying about a Ricky Martin conspiracy. Mmaee is out of the squad because of his well-publicised disciplinary issues. Vidigal is in a poor run of form and is good friends with Mmaee - or at least Jonty Williams said so at a meet the players night a while back. Haksabanovic has looked really poor under Schumacher in his fleeting appearances so far. I think it's highly debatable that any of those three would have improved us at all today. Iversen was limping on Wednesday and injured today. Would you have had Hoever in the team ahead of McNally today, honestly? Plus the other players who have been left out of the squad are Campbell - English academy graduate - and Johnson, who was born in Jamaica but has played in England for the majority of his life. Gooch played. Burger and Junho were benched because of the amount of minutes they've played and both came on. Burger was made captain when he came on. Manhoef came on as sub, while Leris and Wesley were on the bench. A more plausible answer is that the manager has whittled his squad down to the players that he thinks are buying into what he wants to do and who he can trust. You and me can come up with a multitude of ifs and buts ... Most of the people on the concourse pre match were flabbergasted at the team. Iversen fair enough. Vidigal should have been on bench .. But for christ sake if you are leaving out Burger, Bae, Millions and Ennis just because they have played a few matches then there is something going on politically or the manager is incompetent. Take your pick.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 18, 2024 0:31:45 GMT
Anyone with half a brain would have sacked him when they sacked the bloke that bought him to the club.
Yet our owners didn’t.
Mind boggling.
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Post by banksie66 on Feb 18, 2024 0:31:47 GMT
People can point their fingers as much as they want. There is one man at the head of all this and all roads lead back to him. John Coates. Find another person/entity who will put as much money or more than the Coates family into SCFC and we’re sorted. Until such time it is madness to want John Coates gone. This thread has clearly shown where the problem lies imo.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 18, 2024 0:32:58 GMT
People can point their fingers as much as they want. There is one man at the head of all this and all roads lead back to him. John Coates. Find another person/entity who will put as much money or more than the Coates family into SCFC and we’re sorted. Until such time it is madness to want John Coates gone. This thread has clearly shown where the problem lies imo. Their money does nothing. It’s pointless.
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Post by banksie66 on Feb 18, 2024 0:36:21 GMT
Find another person/entity who will put as much money or more than the Coates family into SCFC and we’re sorted. Until such time it is madness to want John Coates gone. This thread has clearly shown where the problem lies imo. Their money does nothing. It’s pointless. Their money meant something at a time when the right people were appointed in the right places. Premier League football etc.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 18, 2024 0:38:35 GMT
Their money does nothing. It’s pointless. Their money meant something at a time when the right people were appointed in the right places. Premier League football etc. That’s history. Jon Coates has shown he can’t run a football club correctly. He’s shown he can’t see the issue going on. He’s totally out of his depth.
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Post by peterthornesboots on Feb 18, 2024 0:39:14 GMT
See where you are coming from Mr Hackett.. I'm probably gullible and not that thick (debatable perhaps) but there must be something going on ?? The most amazing thing though to me is that Stevie said Hoever would not have been playing today if McNally was fit. There's summat amiss in this Club Occam's razor says that this can all be explained without worrying about a Ricky Martin conspiracy. Mmaee is out of the squad because of his well-publicised disciplinary issues. Vidigal is in a poor run of form and is good friends with Mmaee - or at least Jonty Williams said so at a meet the players night a while back. Haksabanovic has looked really poor under Schumacher in his fleeting appearances so far. I think it's highly debatable that any of those three would have improved us at all today. Iversen was limping on Wednesday and injured today. Would you have had Hoever in the team ahead of McNally today, honestly? Plus the other players who have been left out of the squad are Campbell - English academy graduate - and Johnson, who was born in Jamaica but has played in England for the majority of his life. Gooch played. Burger and Junho were benched because of the amount of minutes they've played and both came on. Burger was made captain when he came on. Manhoef came on as sub, while Leris and Wesley were on the bench. A more plausible answer is that the manager has whittled his squad down to the players that he thinks are buying into what he wants to do and who he can trust. Iverson and McNally were definitely out with injuries, so the manager does not have much choice there. Burger came off injured in mid-week and (rightly or wrongly) it was determined that Ennis and Jun-Ho had played too many minutes. I think that it was mentioned by Schumacher in his post-match comments that they had to "trust the Sports Science Team" (or words to that effect). It is also evidently clear that the manager has worked out who is up for the fight and who is a potential bag egg. If the likes of Mmaee, Vidigal, and Campbell do not want to be in the trenches right now then screw them. What today's team selection highlighted more than anything else is how unbalanced the squad is and the lack of depth in key areas. Again, all roads lead to our awful recruitment.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 18, 2024 0:40:08 GMT
What actually happened with Mmaee?
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Post by banksie66 on Feb 18, 2024 0:40:58 GMT
Their money meant something at a time when the right people were appointed in the right places. Premier League football etc. “That’s history. Jon Coates has shown he can’t run a football club correctly. He’s shown he can’t see the issue going on. He’s totally out of his depth.” Totally agree with you. But this issue can’t go on forever with the noise now surrounding it.
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Post by banksie66 on Feb 18, 2024 1:44:24 GMT
Question for Tricky Ricky at the last meet the fans… “Was the character/DNA of all the players we signed looked at or just the raw data? TP said how important character/DNA was when he was manager here. Looks like we just got lucky by chance with Burger. Any other true leaders signed?”
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Post by Caddick988 on Feb 18, 2024 7:54:26 GMT
Question for Tricky Ricky at the last meet the fans… “Was the character/DNA of all the players we signed looked at or just the raw data? TP said how important character/DNA was when he was manager here. Looks like we just got lucky by chance with Burger. Any other true leaders signed?” To be fair to Dublin on this, I’m sure he mentions the fact they liked Burgers leadership qualities when they were looking into him so I’d say there was at least some basic due diligence done for this signing. As for Mmaee though, I guess it’s why no bigger club ever took the chance on him.
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Post by Trouserdog on Feb 18, 2024 8:27:53 GMT
Question for Tricky Ricky at the last meet the fans… “Was the character/DNA of all the players we signed looked at or just the raw data? TP said how important character/DNA was when he was manager here. Looks like we just got lucky by chance with Burger. Any other true leaders signed?” To be fair to Dublin on this, I’m sure he mentions the fact they liked Burgers leadership qualities when they were looking into him so I’d say there was at least some basic due diligence done for this signing. As for Mmaee though, I guess it’s why no bigger club ever took the chance on him. Could also be that he's a fanny who can't deal with physical contact?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2024 8:38:28 GMT
People can point their fingers as much as they want. There is one man at the head of all this and all roads lead back to him. John Coates. Find another person/entity who will put as much money or more than the Coates family into SCFC and we’re sorted. Until such time it is madness to want John Coates gone. This thread has clearly shown where the problem lies imo. Their money is sending us to League One. Just stop with the nonsense.
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 18, 2024 8:46:30 GMT
See where you are coming from Mr Hackett.. I'm probably gullible and not that thick (debatable perhaps) but there must be something going on ?? The most amazing thing though to me is that Stevie said Hoever would not have been playing today if McNally was fit. There's summat amiss in this Club Occam's razor says that this can all be explained without worrying about a Ricky Martin conspiracy. Mmaee is out of the squad because of his well-publicised disciplinary issues. Vidigal is in a poor run of form and is good friends with Mmaee - or at least Jonty Williams said so at a meet the players night a while back. Haksabanovic has looked really poor under Schumacher in his fleeting appearances so far. I think it's highly debatable that any of those three would have improved us at all today. Iversen was limping on Wednesday and injured today. Would you have had Hoever in the team ahead of McNally today, honestly? Plus the other players who have been left out of the squad are Campbell - English academy graduate - and Johnson, who was born in Jamaica but has played in England for the majority of his life. Gooch played. Burger and Junho were benched because of the amount of minutes they've played and both came on. Burger was made captain when he came on. Manhoef came on as sub, while Leris and Wesley were on the bench. A more plausible answer is that the manager has whittled his squad down to the players that he thinks are buying into what he wants to do and who he can trust. A lot of wise words there, but is it really possible to have trust in Hoever as a defender?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2024 8:54:32 GMT
Makes you wonder why Schumacher was appointed ' Head Coach' and not 'Manager' ? Its a current trend that I don't get on well with, I don't think strong minded Managers from yesteryear would have liked to have been called 'Head Coach' and having the interference from above!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 18, 2024 8:55:33 GMT
Makes you wonder why Schumacher was appointed ' Head Coach' and not 'Manager' ? Its a current trend that I don't get on well with, I don't think strong minded Managers from yesteryear would have liked to have been called 'Head Coach' and having the interference from above! But it’s the model most commonly used now. Thinking about the dinosaurs in the past is pretty irrelevant isn’t it?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2024 8:57:27 GMT
Makes you wonder why Schumacher was appointed ' Head Coach' and not 'Manager' ? Its a current trend that I don't get on well with, I don't think strong minded Managers from yesteryear would have liked to have been called 'Head Coach' and having the interference from above! But it’s the model most commonly used now. Thinking about the dinosaurs in the past is pretty irrelevant isn’t it? Not really
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 18, 2024 8:59:26 GMT
But it’s the model most commonly used now. Thinking about the dinosaurs in the past is pretty irrelevant isn’t it? Not really Of course it is. It’s a model that works. But of course our owners went about it the wrong way much to the despair of quite a few on here. Why can morons like us understand how you should do it but they can’t?
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Post by webbyscfc on Feb 18, 2024 9:00:46 GMT
One thing that that post has proved is that there's a lot of thick and gullible Stoke supporters these days. It's actually really embarrassing. You think this post is the thing that proves we have some proper thick fans? You should see some of the comments from some of our fans on posts the club releases on other social media outlets regarding anti-racism and LGBT stuff. Now that’s embarrassing. I don’t think these rumours going round are true but at the same time I don’t think Martin is good for us. Jon Coates needs to get some bollocks and realise that we are being treated as some jolly big boys club with people in positions royally taking the piss. I can honestly see Schumacher walking soon. The first 5-6 games under him we were looking good, getting forward much more quickly (even though we still could not hit a barn door with a banjo) but since beating Birmingham at their place, something just feels different. I know we don’t see much of him but John Coates looked ill at that fans forum thing. Maybe he needs to get out for his health.
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Post by Han Solo on Feb 18, 2024 9:21:14 GMT
Their money meant something at a time when the right people were appointed in the right places. Premier League football etc. That’s history. Jon Coates has shown he can’t run a football club correctly. He’s shown he can’t see the issue going on. He’s totally out of his depth. It’s been said multiple times. They’re great owners but they need someone running the club who’s a football man not John who isn’t. Only then will things start to improve. We couldn’t wish for better owners John just needs to take a back seat in running things.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 18, 2024 9:22:21 GMT
That’s history. Jon Coates has shown he can’t run a football club correctly. He’s shown he can’t see the issue going on. He’s totally out of his depth. It’s been said multiple times. They’re great owners but they need someone running the club who’s a football man not John who isn’t. Only then will things start to improve. We couldn’t wish for better owners John just needs to take a back seat in running things. And it should have happened upon relegation. How they couldn’t see that is beyond me.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2024 9:31:51 GMT
That’s history. Jon Coates has shown he can’t run a football club correctly. He’s shown he can’t see the issue going on. He’s totally out of his depth. It’s been said multiple times. They’re great owners but they need someone running the club who’s a football man not John who isn’t. Only then will things start to improve. We couldn’t wish for better owners John just needs to take a back seat in running things. The problem is, Ricky Martin is that man and he's been appointed by the last manager. That's the issue isn't it? There are also rumours that Schumacher and Dewsnip fell out towards the end at Plymouth and that surely had to be a red flag for how he would or wouldn't work with a TD here?
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Feb 18, 2024 9:52:14 GMT
Posted in early September by yours truly and alarmingly spot on , yesterday convinced me we are done ,
The bewildering thing is why would anyone be surprised ,
Our end of season form was shambolic , he then out of charachter fell head over heels for Jared’s smooth talk and his sponsor Ricky’s pillars and accepted a trolley dash of unproven flair players with no substance or any attempt to address the. COre issues of last season , goals , physicality and central defence power .
we have grafted a recruitment disaster beyond all others on top of a truly awful team and sold two of the proven championship players in the squad in brown and Tymon right at the death , without properly replacing either we are now in a worse position than any since. relegation .
it’s actually very un Alex Neil like , he’s gone from mediocre / bland ‘ lower championship cv. to a totally erratic , catastrophic lost soul . And his pre match interview talking of we can see where we are and it’s going to take time suggests he knows he’s in huge trouble .
I can only see a truly terrible season from here neil for sure won’t survive 🐊will have him its just when , but the more important question is can we actually find three worse teams right now I can’t see them.
we are now on a inevitable trajectory to disaster caused by Martin & Neil & Co now being exacerbate by the totally pit of his depth SS, Until we act we are just getting worse but looking at the away games we could appoint Paisley and Clough and Still go down. I agree we have to try and that starts with removing the key parties to the demise entirely and quite possibly new management , give the job toGallagher and co until he end fo the season and use the time to plan accepting that the drop is the most likely outcome.
What I think we will do is remove Martin as it gets increasingly toxic and leave SS in place but i see nothing to suggest he has any ideas how to baton down the hatches as Gallagher , Morris and Shawcross at least managed to do Question will then be are we committed to letting him try and bring us back.
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Post by andycooke96 on Feb 18, 2024 10:38:32 GMT
I know someone who knows him from his time at Norwich, full of himself, uses jargon and overcomplicated language, decent academy coach, not qualified to be running a senior side. Sums it up, however we shouldn’t fall into the trap of viewing him as the root of the problems, which lie with the people who appointed him
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Feb 18, 2024 12:39:26 GMT
Posted in early September by yours truly and alarmingly spot on , yesterday convinced me we are done , The bewildering thing is why would anyone be surprised , Our end of season form was shambolic , he then out of charachter fell head over heels for Jared’s smooth talk and his sponsor Ricky’s pillars and accepted a trolley dash of unproven flair players with no substance or any attempt to address the. COre issues of last season , goals , physicality and central defence power . we have grafted a recruitment disaster beyond all others on top of a truly awful team and sold two of the proven championship players in the squad in brown and Tymon right at the death , without properly replacing either we are now in a worse position than any since. relegation . it’s actually very un Alex Neil like , he’s gone from mediocre / bland ‘ lower championship cv. to a totally erratic , catastrophic lost soul . And his pre match interview talking of we can see where we are and it’s going to take time suggests he knows he’s in huge trouble . I can only see a truly terrible season from here neil for sure won’t survive 🐊will have him its just when , but the more important question is can we actually find three worse teams right now I can’t see them. we are now on a inevitable trajectory to disaster caused by Martin & Neil & Co now being exacerbate by the totally pit of his depth SS, Until we act we are just getting worse but looking at the away games we could appoint Paisley and Clough and Still go down. I agree we have to try and that starts with removing the key parties to the demise entirely and quite possibly new management , give the job toGallagher and co until he end fo the season and use the time to plan accepting that the drop is the most likely outcome. A fine post , no doubt he wanted a premier League move but Brown lookes like Mbappe in comparison to our current crop pf forward options , also we did look as though we had some structure in the games Gally took charge of. What I think we will do is remove Martin as it gets increasingly toxic and leave SS in place but i see nothing to suggest he has any ideas how to baton down the hatches as Gallagher , Morris and Shawcross at least managed to do Question will then be are we committed to letting him try and bring us back. A fine post , Brown looked like Mbappe compared to our current forward options and when Gally took charge it did look as though we had some structure . Martin seems to have simply made a mess worse since his appointment , they need an experienced football man as they had when Rudge was there to link the Boardroom to the coach and deal with contract issues and support recruitment , rocket science it aint . JC seems to love the modern business lingo and has lapped up Martins hogwash
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Post by march4 on Feb 18, 2024 12:46:14 GMT
Find another person/entity who will put as much money or more than the Coates family into SCFC and we’re sorted. Until such time it is madness to want John Coates gone. This thread has clearly shown where the problem lies imo. Their money is sending us to League One. Just stop with the nonsense. And without it we would be playing Bury.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2024 13:00:05 GMT
Their money is sending us to League One. Just stop with the nonsense. And without it we would be playing Bury. Plenty of clubs have prospered without the level of finance the Coates have put up. It's called spending wisely and not repeating the same mistakes over and over. But you know that already...
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Feb 18, 2024 13:23:46 GMT
People can point their fingers as much as they want. There is one man at the head of all this and all roads lead back to him. John Coates. Find another person/entity who will put as much money or more than the Coates family into SCFC and we’re sorted. Until such time it is madness to want John Coates gone. This thread has clearly shown where the problem lies imo. Just chucking money at a problem without any clear plan is as close as you'll get to a definition of bad management. Show me a other club that has spent as much as Stoke and is heading League 1? Alternatively show me a well run club that has gone from the Premier League to League 1. We're in the company of Basket Cases. So whilst the Coates money may be keeping us out of the National League their managerial competence certainly isn't. Luton, Brighton, Brentford and Bournmouth- to name but a few - all have owners nowhere near as wealthy as ours. They just spend their money better and get value for it on and off the pitch.
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