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Post by dirtygary69 on Feb 3, 2024 18:34:56 GMT
Serious black mark against the manager for this. He's been cowardly lobbing him under the bus for the past two weeks, when all he needed was an arm around him and coaching. The two that have played in his place today are woeful. Campbell runs even less and Ennis can't even control a ball. A shocking state of affairs all round. This manager has absolutely no credit in the bank to be falling out with players either. Nathan Jones mk II. Just what the fuck have we done here? I hadn’t even considered relegation before today, and now I’m thinking we’ll be lucky to stay up. Under motivated, lacking in confidence players under a new manager with high-pressing, hard-working ideas only goes one way. If we don’t have enough players left onside in the dressing room, we are screwed. I can see Schumacher now having his MON/Neil moment by ripping up everything he worked on and professed to be, and throwing any old shit on the pitch and hoping it works. Please someone, stop taking the piss now. Why can’t we just be a normal functional club?
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Post by march4 on Feb 3, 2024 18:37:06 GMT
Exactly the thrashing I expected, sadly. I hope I still don’t see people denying that we are utter dogshite, and that we are deep in relegation trouble. Where is the next win coming from? Or even point? A fortnight ago I'd have said no we will be fine. Now I'm convinced we are in it big time. Looking at those on the pitch today you have to ask how many would have the fight and bottle for a relegation battle? Burger maybe Bae possibly Gooch and Junior at a push. The rest ,no chance. But many posters wanted a Director of Football, a young first team coach and a recruitment guru. It’s going well isn’t it?
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Post by citynickscfc on Feb 3, 2024 18:37:59 GMT
Serious black mark against the manager for this. He's been cowardly lobbing him under the bus for the past two weeks, when all he needed was an arm around him and coaching. The two that have played in his place today are woeful. Campbell runs even less and Ennis can't even control a ball. A shocking state of affairs all round. This manager has absolutely no credit in the bank to be falling out with players either. Nathan Jones mk II. Just what the fuck have we done here? I hadn’t even considered relegation before today, and now I’m thinking we’ll be lucky to stay up. Under motivated, lacking in confidence players under a new manager with high-pressing, hard-working ideas only goes one way. If we don’t have enough players left onside in the dressing room, we are screwed. I can see Schumacher now having his MON/Neil moment by ripping up everything he worked on and professed to be, and throwing any old shit on the pitch and hoping it works. Please someone, stop taking the piss now. Why can’t we just be a normal functional club? Can we stop calling Watford a batshit club now and start reflecting on ourselves? We seem to be much much worse. We have no idea how to be a football club.
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Feb 3, 2024 18:39:48 GMT
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Post by milky on Feb 3, 2024 18:39:48 GMT
A fortnight ago I'd have said no we will be fine. Now I'm convinced we are in it big time. Looking at those on the pitch today you have to ask how many would have the fight and bottle for a relegation battle? Burger maybe Bae possibly Gooch and Junior at a push. The rest ,no chance. But many posters wanted a Director of Football, a young first team coach and a recruitment guru. It’s going well isn’t it? We did but as stated elsewhere we went completely the wrong way about it.
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Post by cheadlepotter on Feb 3, 2024 18:39:49 GMT
A fortnight ago I'd have said no we will be fine. Now I'm convinced we are in it big time. Looking at those on the pitch today you have to ask how many would have the fight and bottle for a relegation battle? Burger maybe Bae possibly Gooch and Junior at a push. The rest ,no chance. But many posters wanted a Director of Football, a young first team coach and a recruitment guru. It’s going well isn’t it? We did. But we didn’t want the absolute fraud of a manager to select the technical director and that person to then select the chief scout. Blame moron Coates for that.
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Post by scfcwebby on Feb 3, 2024 18:41:05 GMT
What happens next? Campbell clearly isn’t a CF. He has brought Lowe and Ennis on but they both look lost. Who plays CF if not Maaee? Wesley? He brought Lowe on and played him on the right wing, of course he looked fucking lost, he's as far away from a winger as you could possibly get
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Feb 3, 2024 18:43:35 GMT
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Post by SuperRickyFuller on Feb 3, 2024 18:43:35 GMT
Take this with a huge pinch of salt but..
Someone I was speaking to after the game went down to the training ground the other day, spoke to Gallagher and was told that Mmaee was training alone.
Again, just saying what someone told me so it could be complete bollocks.
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Feb 3, 2024 18:44:03 GMT
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Post by nottinghamstokie on Feb 3, 2024 18:44:03 GMT
Serious black mark against the manager for this. He's been cowardly lobbing him under the bus for the past two weeks, when all he needed was an arm around him and coaching. The two that have played in his place today are woeful. Campbell runs even less and Ennis can't even control a ball. A shocking state of affairs all round. This manager has absolutely no credit in the bank to be falling out with players either. Nathan Jones mk II. Worrying shades of Nathan coming in and immediately getting rid of Erik Pieters...
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Feb 3, 2024 18:44:37 GMT
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Post by SuperRickyFuller on Feb 3, 2024 18:44:37 GMT
What happens next? Campbell clearly isn’t a CF. He has brought Lowe and Ennis on but they both look lost. Who plays CF if not Maaee? Wesley? He brought Lowe on and played him on the right wing, of course he looked fucking lost, he's as far away from a winger as you could possibly get Whilst playing Vidigal through the middle which was bloody mental.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2024 18:46:15 GMT
Serious black mark against the manager for this. He's been cowardly lobbing him under the bus for the past two weeks, when all he needed was an arm around him and coaching. The two that have played in his place today are woeful. Campbell runs even less and Ennis can't even control a ball. A shocking state of affairs all round. This manager has absolutely no credit in the bank to be falling out with players either. Nathan Jones mk II. Just what the fuck have we done here? I hadn’t even considered relegation before today, and now I’m thinking we’ll be lucky to stay up. Under motivated, lacking in confidence players under a new manager with high-pressing, hard-working ideas only goes one way. If we don’t have enough players left onside in the dressing room, we are screwed. I can see Schumacher now having his MON/Neil moment by ripping up everything he worked on and professed to be, and throwing any old shit on the pitch and hoping it works. Please someone, stop taking the piss now. Why can’t we just be a normal functional club? Rule number one of management is to not burn your bridges with people that you might need. You cajole them and use them until the time is right to cut them off. It seems the manager has completely shot himself in the foot here. Proper childish management. Mmaee might not be everyone's cup of tea but he offers more as a front man than any of our current options. I commented that the Ennis transfer was a step forward as he knew how to play the managers system. I hope it's just rustiness because if not we're in serious bother. He looked absolutely useless.
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Feb 3, 2024 18:48:10 GMT
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Post by peterthornesboots on Feb 3, 2024 18:48:10 GMT
A fortnight ago I'd have said no we will be fine. Now I'm convinced we are in it big time. Looking at those on the pitch today you have to ask how many would have the fight and bottle for a relegation battle? Burger maybe Bae possibly Gooch and Junior at a push. The rest ,no chance. But many posters wanted a Director of Football, a young first team coach and a recruitment guru. It’s going well isn’t it? It is for Leicester ... 😅😂 (Who have all three of those things in place).
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Feb 3, 2024 18:48:26 GMT
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Post by baconburger on Feb 3, 2024 18:48:26 GMT
It absolutely stinks. We’ve got a player in Mmaee with clear ability , after a few goals and some confidence built more goals would come. So we decide to make him feel unwanted. I think it's a bit more than that for me. It's the fact that for most of the season we've created nothing more than whacking the ball at him from deep, expecting him to create and score for himself then the moment we've created a bit for him and he's faltered we've lobbed him on the Bonfire. I just expect a club that is on a fresh new dawn to look after and try and grow it's assets a bit better than that, after years of throwing bad money after bad. If after 12-18 months he's still no good then cut your losses. By then we could happily accept a 6 figure fee for him and lose nothing against the book value of him. You'd get that type of fee from Europe no problem. If he does come good then you are looking at a decent profit. It's no wonder this club hasn't had a regular scorer since Thorne, well over 20 years ago with attitudes in and around the club like this. He’s wank. We’ve given up on far better forwards FFS Lee Gregory is a better forward. He’s shit what are his attributes?
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Feb 3, 2024 18:50:10 GMT
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Post by northernstokie on Feb 3, 2024 18:50:10 GMT
We’re doing really well without him. Can't blame him for the 5 goals scored by Leicester
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2024 18:50:33 GMT
I think it's a bit more than that for me. It's the fact that for most of the season we've created nothing more than whacking the ball at him from deep, expecting him to create and score for himself then the moment we've created a bit for him and he's faltered we've lobbed him on the Bonfire. I just expect a club that is on a fresh new dawn to look after and try and grow it's assets a bit better than that, after years of throwing bad money after bad. If after 12-18 months he's still no good then cut your losses. By then we could happily accept a 6 figure fee for him and lose nothing against the book value of him. You'd get that type of fee from Europe no problem. If he does come good then you are looking at a decent profit. It's no wonder this club hasn't had a regular scorer since Thorne, well over 20 years ago with attitudes in and around the club like this. He’s wank. We’ve given up on far better forwards FFS Lee Gregory is a better forward. He’s shit what are his attributes? Now I know you're just fishing. Lee Gregory, christ. Try someone else fella. You've been rumbled.
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Feb 3, 2024 18:51:26 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 3, 2024 18:51:26 GMT
Rumour has it he’s been suspended for 3 days pending an internal investigation Also I thought it was very telling when scfcmagic posted what she did last night/this morning 🤔
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Feb 3, 2024 18:51:32 GMT
Post by dirtygary69 on Feb 3, 2024 18:51:32 GMT
Just what the fuck have we done here? I hadn’t even considered relegation before today, and now I’m thinking we’ll be lucky to stay up. Under motivated, lacking in confidence players under a new manager with high-pressing, hard-working ideas only goes one way. If we don’t have enough players left onside in the dressing room, we are screwed. I can see Schumacher now having his MON/Neil moment by ripping up everything he worked on and professed to be, and throwing any old shit on the pitch and hoping it works. Please someone, stop taking the piss now. Why can’t we just be a normal functional club? Rule number one of management is to not burn your bridges with people that you might need. You cajole them and use them until the time is right to cut them off. It seems the manager has completely shot himself in the foot here. Proper childish management. Mmaee might not be everyone's cup of tea but he offers more as a front man than any of our current options. I commented that the Ennis transfer was a step forward as he knew how to play the managers system. I hope it's just rustiness because if not we're in serious bother. He looked absolutely useless. Hard to judge Ennis on that. No service and what he did get was a 40-60 hit and hope. He looked to me like another player better out wide and not reliant on a great first touch, because it didn’t look like that was a strength. He’ll probably be another who does nothing for us.
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 3, 2024 18:52:52 GMT
It's hard to speculate without knowing any facts.
It's possible that something Mmaee has done was so egregious that he was left with no choice but to try and move him on.
We don't know categorically that the bust-up came after the attempt to sell him - and may have been the reason.
Is it possible Schumacher has made a pigs ear of managing the player? Yes - but it really is all guesswork
The story about Mmaee came from Fraser Fletcher who seems to have an in with Mmaee's agent, and could well have painted the picture in a very Mmaee-friendly way
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Post by baconburger on Feb 3, 2024 18:52:58 GMT
I really cannot believe Schumacher has axed him as quickly as he has. I mean, he went from starting every game to simply being offered to the doldrums of European football. Less than 6 months after coming in for £3m. After a run of just TWO poor performances. Simply not on. Two poor performances 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Feb 3, 2024 18:53:14 GMT
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Post by mickstupp on Feb 3, 2024 18:53:14 GMT
What happens next? Campbell clearly isn’t a CF. He has brought Lowe and Ennis on but they both look lost. Who plays CF if not Maaee? Wesley? He brought Lowe on and played him on the right wing, of course he looked fucking lost, he's as far away from a winger as you could possibly get I couldn’t believe what I was seeing when I saw that. Vidigal through the middle and 6 foot 4 Lowe on the wing. Incredible.
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 3, 2024 18:56:18 GMT
The thought of Tyrese and Ennis seeing out the season as the No.9 choices does bring you out in a cold sweat.
Lowe, for all his promise, is miles and miles off it at the moment. And the sight of him on the right wing, with Vidders as the No. 10 did make me seriously think about making my earliest ever exit.
As it was, I stuck it out until the 85th minute - but at least I was rewarded by missing the fifth
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Feb 3, 2024 18:58:12 GMT
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Post by premieraj on Feb 3, 2024 18:58:12 GMT
The thought of Tyrese and Ennis seeing out the season as the No.9 choices does bring you out in a cold sweat. Lowe, for all his promise, is miles and miles off it at the moment. And the sight of him on the right wing, with Vidders as the No. 10 did make me seriously think about making my earliest ever exit. As it was, I stuck it out until the 85th minute - but at least I was rewarded by missing the fifth Get the big Brazilian on and play second phase ball ⚽️ ☹️
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Feb 3, 2024 18:59:11 GMT
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Post by baconburger on Feb 3, 2024 18:59:11 GMT
He’s wank. We’ve given up on far better forwards FFS Lee Gregory is a better forward. He’s shit what are his attributes? Now I know you're just fishing. Lee Gregory, christ. Try someone else fella. You've been rumbled. Say it how you see it. Lee Gregory affected games far more than Mmaee. I’m not saying Gregory was any good but I’d take him over Mmaee every day. I actually wouldn’t piss on Mmaee if he was on fire.
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Post by clarkeda on Feb 3, 2024 19:02:49 GMT
Judging by the terse reaction, we won't be seeing him again. "Not selected" "Can you elaborate?" "Not selected" Whether the bust-up prompted the decision to try and sell him, or whether the attempt to sell him has prompted the bust-up will probably come out int he wash I have a feeling he’ll have been lambasted after Sunderland, not taken too kindly too it then tried to force the move.
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Post by etebojan on Feb 3, 2024 19:03:22 GMT
The thought of Tyrese and Ennis seeing out the season as the No.9 choices does bring you out in a cold sweat. Lowe, for all his promise, is miles and miles off it at the moment. And the sight of him on the right wing, with Vidders as the No. 10 did make me seriously think about making my earliest ever exit. As it was, I stuck it out until the 85th minute - but at least I was rewarded by missing the fifth I'm sure in a recent U21 match (Man City one i think) Lowe seemed to be playing out on the right with Tezgel central, it's a weird one
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Feb 3, 2024 19:04:32 GMT
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Post by rdf10 on Feb 3, 2024 19:04:32 GMT
Now I know you're just fishing. Lee Gregory, christ. Try someone else fella. You've been rumbled. Say it how you see it. Lee Gregory affected games far more than Mmaee. I’m not saying Gregory was any good but I’d take him over Mmaee every day. I actually wouldn’t piss on Mmaee if he was on fire. That last comment… Jesus Christ. Disgraceful.
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Feb 3, 2024 19:06:43 GMT
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Feb 3, 2024 19:06:43 GMT
Rumour has it he’s been suspended for 3 days pending an internal investigation Also I thought it was very telling when scfcmagic posted what she did last night/this morning 🤔 What did she post CP? Suspended? That’s sounds more serious than simply kicking off over being dropped
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Post by clarkeda on Feb 3, 2024 19:08:47 GMT
Rumour has it he’s been suspended for 3 days pending an internal investigation Also I thought it was very telling when scfcmagic posted what she did last night/this morning 🤔 If that’s true it’s got to be pretty serious whatever it is. What did she post?
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Post by iglugluk on Feb 3, 2024 19:09:25 GMT
Just what the fuck have we done here? I hadn’t even considered relegation before today, and now I’m thinking we’ll be lucky to stay up. Under motivated, lacking in confidence players under a new manager with high-pressing, hard-working ideas only goes one way. If we don’t have enough players left onside in the dressing room, we are screwed. I can see Schumacher now having his MON/Neil moment by ripping up everything he worked on and professed to be, and throwing any old shit on the pitch and hoping it works. Please someone, stop taking the piss now. Why can’t we just be a normal functional club? Rule number one of management is to not burn your bridges with people that you might need. You cajole them and use them until the time is right to cut them off. It seems the manager has completely shot himself in the foot here. Proper childish management. Mmaee might not be everyone's cup of tea but he offers more as a front man than any of our current options. I commented that the Ennis transfer was a step forward as he knew how to play the managers system. I hope it's just rustiness because if not we're in serious bother. He looked absolutely useless. Seems you called it correctly after last week's post match interview.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 3, 2024 19:09:53 GMT
Rumour has it he’s been suspended for 3 days pending an internal investigation Also I thought it was very telling when scfcmagic posted what she did last night/this morning 🤔 What did she post CP? Suspended? That’s sounds more serious than simply kicking off over being dropped Its on Page 20
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Feb 3, 2024 19:12:52 GMT
What did she post CP? Suspended? That’s sounds more serious than simply kicking off over being dropped Its on Page 20 If that’s factually correct he should have been sold as a priority. Christ did we not check “references” on basic things like attitude at his previous club.
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