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Mmaee
Jan 23, 2024 15:23:09 GMT
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Post by yellowsnowman on Jan 23, 2024 15:23:09 GMT
How does Lowe ever get ready if he isn’t picked? Campbell and Wesley are yesterday’s men, Gayle is a goal every 30 games based on his last 4 years, Vidigal has already scored his yearly quota and Mmae is just infuriating. Stansfield is 21- if he was at Stoke, we’d be saying “not ready”. This…. As Lowe actually had a start yet ??? I don’t know how people can say he’s not ready on the basis of ten minutes here and there Give the lad a start. He simply can’t do any worse than Maee he really can’t All day he deserves more game time, if hes not out on loan he should be getting more game time, not like we are challenging for anything. Drives me batty that shit. Gayle, wesley shouldnt be near it.
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Jan 26, 2024 21:21:31 GMT
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Post by thehoof on Jan 26, 2024 21:21:31 GMT
How does Lowe ever get ready if he isn’t picked? Campbell and Wesley are yesterday’s men, Gayle is a goal every 30 games based on his last 4 years, Vidigal has already scored his yearly quota and Mmae is just infuriating. Stansfield is 21- if he was at Stoke, we’d be saying “not ready”. Stoke have used plenty of U21s. Bae is 20. Hoever was 21 when he joined. Delap was 19. The list goes on. So don’t you think that Lowe should at least get the game time that has been afforded to Campbell, Mmaee and Gayle?
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Jan 26, 2024 21:28:54 GMT
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Post by stokest5 on Jan 26, 2024 21:28:54 GMT
Stoke have used plenty of U21s. Bae is 20. Hoever was 21 when he joined. Delap was 19. The list goes on. So don’t you think that Lowe should at least get the game time that has been afforded to Campbell, Mmaee and Gayle? Personally I don’t think he’s ready to step up to the first team just yet. I’d like to see him sent out on loan and build something up for himself from there. A bit like what happened up Souttar and Taylor. Did we send Campbell out on loan to Shrewsbury or did I dream it?
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Jan 26, 2024 21:40:15 GMT
I think I'd persist with Mmaee for the rest of the season, and look to loan Nathan Lowe out to get game time.
Then we can reassess in summer when Wesley, Gayle and Campbell thankfully depart.
We need a fresh new forward line going into next season with Mmaee, Vidigal and Leris playing second fiddle. Hopefully Jared ticks the 'Pace' box on his database this time round. We must be one of the slowest teams in the history of the sport, and it's an issue that hasn't been addressed for years and years.
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Post by lordb on Jan 26, 2024 23:02:52 GMT
I'm still pissed off with him for missing all those chances last week, should have won the game for us
However interested to seehim and Campbell on a pair with Bae behind on a 352
But he owes us some goals
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Jan 26, 2024 23:48:11 GMT
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Jan 26, 2024 23:48:11 GMT
I'm still pissed off with him for missing all those chances last week, should have won the game for us However interested to seehim and Campbell on a pair with Bae behind on a 352 But he owes us some goals He does mate but I think having Campbell in the team with him might just be the foil he needs to get amongst the goals. Well I hope so anyway because he certainly can finish as shown in the Watford game.
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Jan 27, 2024 0:30:59 GMT
Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 27, 2024 0:30:59 GMT
I think I'd persist with Mmaee for the rest of the season, and look to loan Nathan Lowe out to get game time. Then we can reassess in summer when Wesley, Gayle and Campbell thankfully depart. We need a fresh new forward line going into next season with Mmaee, Vidigal and Leris playing second fiddle. Hopefully Jared ticks the 'Pace' box on his database this time round. We must be one of the slowest teams in the history of the sport, and it's an issue that hasn't been addressed for years and years. On the basis of their current success rate that would mean the current recruitment team signing circa 12 forwards mind boggling
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Jan 27, 2024 0:58:24 GMT
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Post by Roger Everyone on Jan 27, 2024 0:58:24 GMT
I think I'd persist with Mmaee for the rest of the season, and look to loan Nathan Lowe out to get game time. Then we can reassess in summer when Wesley, Gayle and Campbell thankfully depart. We need a fresh new forward line going into next season with Mmaee, Vidigal and Leris playing second fiddle. Hopefully Jared ticks the 'Pace' box on his database this time round. We must be one of the slowest teams in the history of the sport, and it's an issue that hasn't been addressed for years and years. I would like to see Lowe given at least a half a game here. If they can't do that then he needs to be loaned out. I agree we will have to stick with Mmaee and hope he clicks for us at some point this season. I don't really think we are realistically going to find a James Beattie in this January window.
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Post by baconburger on Jan 27, 2024 9:05:35 GMT
I'm still pissed off with him for missing all those chances last week, should have won the game for us However interested to seehim and Campbell on a pair with Bae behind on a 352 But he owes us some goals He does mate but I think having Campbell in the team with him might just be the foil he needs to get amongst the goals. Well I hope so anyway because he certainly can finish as shown in the Watford game. Wasn’t just the finish his play was on a different level that game to his other performances. If he played like he did that game I wouldn’t have had anything to take such a disliking to. I suppose it shows his position is redeemable even with his fiercest critics but his subsequent performances have been all the more disappointing because he’s reverted to his default when for 1 game he looked like he had a bit of fire in his belly.
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Jan 27, 2024 9:49:16 GMT
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Post by lordb on Jan 27, 2024 9:49:16 GMT
He does mate but I think having Campbell in the team with him might just be the foil he needs to get amongst the goals. Well I hope so anyway because he certainly can finish as shown in the Watford game. Wasn’t just the finish his play was on a different level that game to his other performances. If he played like he did that game I wouldn’t have had anything to take such a disliking to. I suppose it shows his position is redeemable even with his fiercest critics but his subsequent performances have been all the more disappointing because he’s reverted to his default when for 1 game he looked like he had a bit of fire in his belly. He played well at Birmingham too but yeah, was poor v Brighton, Rotherham he struggled apart from one move
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Post by baconburger on Jan 27, 2024 11:13:20 GMT
Wasn’t just the finish his play was on a different level that game to his other performances. If he played like he did that game I wouldn’t have had anything to take such a disliking to. I suppose it shows his position is redeemable even with his fiercest critics but his subsequent performances have been all the more disappointing because he’s reverted to his default when for 1 game he looked like he had a bit of fire in his belly. He played well at Birmingham too but yeah, was poor v Brighton, Rotherham he struggled apart from one move I think he was worse still vs Brighton another level of shit yet that was in a role behind the striker that folk are saying he’s more suited to. I’ll stick with my initial assessment that he’s just not aggressive or combative enough for the English game until he proves otherwise.
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Post by Rt Hon Reverend Luvpump on Jan 27, 2024 11:18:22 GMT
He played well at Birmingham too but yeah, was poor v Brighton, Rotherham he struggled apart from one move I think he was worse still vs Brighton another level of shit yet that was in a role behind the striker that folk are saying he’s more suited to. I’ll stick with my initial assessment that he’s just not aggressive or combative enough for the English game until he proves otherwise. I agree all good strikers have to have a level of aggression and determination of which I don’t think he has, the manager needs to find a way to fire him up before he goes out on the pitch ,maybe give him a few dry slaps😉
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Jan 27, 2024 11:22:32 GMT
Post by redandy on Jan 27, 2024 11:22:32 GMT
He does mate but I think having Campbell in the team with him might just be the foil he needs to get amongst the goals. Well I hope so anyway because he certainly can finish as shown in the Watford game. Wasn’t just the finish his play was on a different level that game to his other performances. If he played like he did that game I wouldn’t have had anything to take such a disliking to. I suppose it shows his position is redeemable even with his fiercest critics but his subsequent performances have been all the more disappointing because he’s reverted to his default when for 1 game he looked like he had a bit of fire in his belly. There's a definite air of 'Kenwyn Jones can't be arsed'ness' about his general play, and seems to get bullied by most of the centre halves in this league. There's a decent player in there, but you only see it in flashes.
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Post by idle on Jan 27, 2024 12:42:54 GMT
My god there's a lot of blind fans on here. Mmaee is far from lazy! As others have pointed out he's worked hard both getting into positions for midfield passes and chasing the ball back even into our own half. Just because he isn't chasing every lost cause or running behind defences doesn't mean he's lazy.
One bad game and there's an army of fans sticking the knife in. None of who were to bee seen after the Watford game. Curious.
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Jan 27, 2024 13:16:23 GMT
Post by Staffsoatcake on Jan 27, 2024 13:16:23 GMT
Scoring a great goal v Watford doesn't make him a good striker,Eric Pieters scored a great goal v Sunderland.
Scoring 1 in 2 or 3 makes you a good striker,if Mmaee had a good season,I couldn't see him scoring more that 12, that's not getting you promoted,unless you have 2 players who can score 12 or more.Plus goals from all the other players.
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Post by idle on Jan 27, 2024 13:32:33 GMT
Scoring a great goal v Watford doesn't make him a good striker,Eric Pieters scored a great goal v Sunderland. Scoring 1 in 2 or 3 makes you a good striker,if Mmaee had a good season,I couldn't see him scoring more that 12, that's not getting you promoted,unless you have 2 players who can score 12 or more.Plus goals from all the other players. We're going in circles here, but I think only measuring goals per game is incomplete. Goals per chance is a much better stat, and he's not had many chances. True, he doesn't create chances on his own, but he's had absolute no help at all from the rest of the team. In some games he's not had a single chance created for him. I fail to see how he should be scoring freely if he doesn't get any chances. It's a team game. The Watford game was just to mention the fickleness of our fans. Edit: I just looked at Peter Thorne's stats for us. In his second season he scored 9 in 34. Must be a shit striker.
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Post by baconburger on Jan 27, 2024 13:41:19 GMT
My god there's a lot of blind fans on here. Mmaee is far from lazy! As others have pointed out he's worked hard both getting into positions for midfield passes and chasing the ball back even into our own half. Just because he isn't chasing every lost cause or running behind defences doesn't mean he's lazy. One bad game and there's an army of fans sticking the knife in. None of who were to bee seen after the Watford game. Curious. What horse shit, completely arse about face. It’s not 1 bad game, he’s had 1 good game. “None of them to be seen after the Watford game” So the fact that people don’t criticise him when he plays well is curious? I would have thought it just meant that they were willing to change their critical opinion if he changes his performances that they were critical of. I’m absolutely sure I made post/s crediting a very good performance but I’m afraid 1 in 20 odd doesn’t cut it. Even Josh Laurent puts in a good performance more regularly and he gets slated for only playing to his potential occasionally.
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Jan 27, 2024 13:58:03 GMT
Post by idle on Jan 27, 2024 13:58:03 GMT
My god there's a lot of blind fans on here. Mmaee is far from lazy! As others have pointed out he's worked hard both getting into positions for midfield passes and chasing the ball back even into our own half. Just because he isn't chasing every lost cause or running behind defences doesn't mean he's lazy. One bad game and there's an army of fans sticking the knife in. None of who were to bee seen after the Watford game. Curious. What horse shit, completely arse about face. It’s not 1 bad game, he’s had 1 good game. “None of them to be seen after the Watford game” So the fact that people don’t criticise him when he plays well is curious? I would have thought it just meant that they were willing to change their critical opinion if he changes his performances that they were critical of. I’m absolutely sure I made post/s crediting a very good performance but I’m afraid 1 in 20 odd doesn’t cut it. Even Josh Laurent puts in a good performance more regularly and he gets slated for only playing to his potential occasionally. The only horse shit here is from dumb fans slating a player who doesn't fit their "preferred" donkey striker model. If you'd understand simple tactics you'll see that his role is not to score the most goals in the team. AN tried to use him as a target man, but I thought we all agreed he sucked tactically. I see that some his performances could have been better, and something isn't right with our setup. But if you think he's had just 1 good game, there's no hope for you. Rotherham (H) didin't happen, neither did QPR (A) or Brum (A)? A forward is shit every game they don't score? Every striker in the world is shit then. And even if you think so he's scored 3 and has had 2 assist. Not enough, but when his teammates neither score the chances he creates or sets him up, you're gonna end up with stats like that. Vidi has 0 assists, Haks 2 and Leris 1.
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Jan 27, 2024 18:13:55 GMT
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Post by jjinks5 on Jan 27, 2024 18:13:55 GMT
Good job we've not got three mmaee's then. Some goal scorers have a knack. He's not a goal scorer and does not have the knack. Let's play goal scorerers.
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Jan 27, 2024 19:43:41 GMT
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Post by citynickscfc on Jan 27, 2024 19:43:41 GMT
Good job we've not got three mmaee's then. Some goal scorers have a knack. He's not a goal scorer and does not have the knack. Let's play goal scorerers. I choose you, Pikachu! I didn't know who else to choose, we have no goalscorers.
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Jan 27, 2024 23:46:28 GMT
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Post by spoton on Jan 27, 2024 23:46:28 GMT
My god there's a lot of blind fans on here. Mmaee is far from lazy! As others have pointed out he's worked hard both getting into positions for midfield passes and chasing the ball back even into our own half. Just because he isn't chasing every lost cause or running behind defences doesn't mean he's lazy. One bad game and there's an army of fans sticking the knife in. None of who were to bee seen after the Watford game. Curious. Wonder what you think now
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Jan 27, 2024 23:56:57 GMT
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Post by LphPotter on Jan 27, 2024 23:56:57 GMT
He looked a lot better playing a bit deeper when he came on today, the problem is we haven’t got anyone to play ahead of him as the main striker.
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Jan 28, 2024 6:16:05 GMT
Post by idle on Jan 28, 2024 6:16:05 GMT
My god there's a lot of blind fans on here. Mmaee is far from lazy! As others have pointed out he's worked hard both getting into positions for midfield passes and chasing the ball back even into our own half. Just because he isn't chasing every lost cause or running behind defences doesn't mean he's lazy. One bad game and there's an army of fans sticking the knife in. None of who were to bee seen after the Watford game. Curious. Wonder what you think now Missed the game unfortunately, but I heard he was one of the players that didn't track back for the third, which is not good enough. He was hardly alone though, as it also happened on the first goal when he wasn't on the pitch? Edit: Looked at the highlights, and it's harsh pinning the third goal on RM. Haks and the attacking midfielders were mostly to blame for the three goals along with the fullbacks who were too easily beaten. Shu took a chance tactically and it backfired. But not getting into the hightlights as a forward isn't good enough in half an hour.
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Jan 28, 2024 8:16:56 GMT
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Post by malteser68 on Jan 28, 2024 8:16:56 GMT
Does he just need games? Don't like judging players early on, he just looks a bit lightweight so far. No. Like all of the other ‘strikers’ we have he needs 10 chances to perhaps put away 1
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Jan 28, 2024 8:26:36 GMT
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Post by Championship Potter on Jan 28, 2024 8:26:36 GMT
I'm still pissed off with him for missing all those chances last week, should have won the game for us However interested to seehim and Campbell on a pair with Bae behind on a 352 But he owes us some goals The more I think about it, this is exactly what we should be playing. Hoever and Thompson work best as wing backs - wouldn’t need to worry as much about their defensive frailties then. Thompson could move infield when Hoever attacks (like a budget John Stones). Junior could drop in as a right sided centre back in a three to provide some much needed pace and aggression. With the right coaching it could definitely work. Would also mean we’d never see Haks, Leris or Vidigal start, which on current form feels a blessing.
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Jan 28, 2024 8:32:11 GMT
Post by xchpotter on Jan 28, 2024 8:32:11 GMT
He looked a lot better playing a bit deeper when he came on today, the problem is we haven’t got anyone to play ahead of him as the main striker. That’s what I thought….though still managed to waste a good opportunity. He’s an enigma for me.
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Jan 28, 2024 8:54:42 GMT
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Post by baconburger on Jan 28, 2024 8:54:42 GMT
I'm still pissed off with him for missing all those chances last week, should have won the game for us However interested to seehim and Campbell on a pair with Bae behind on a 352 But he owes us some goals The more I think about it, this is exactly what we should be playing. Hoever and Thompson work best as wing backs - wouldn’t need to worry as much about their defensive frailties then. Thompson could move infield when Hoever attacks (like a budget John Stones). Junior could drop in as a right sided centre back in a three to provide some much needed pace and aggression. With the right coaching it could definitely work. Would also mean we’d never see Haks, Leris or Vidigal start, which on current form feels a blessing. He’s certainly going to have to try something different if we can’t get a CF in this window. Switching the strikers about and expecting one of them to suddenly find the ability to do a job they’ve shown they are incapable of just isn’t going to work on any sort of consistent basis. Buying a CF is never easy but is doubly difficult in January, it would be nice but there isn’t really much suggestion it might happen in the few days left in this window. Without it there’s going to have to a lot of creative thinking and flexibility. Over to you Schu.
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Jan 28, 2024 10:01:01 GMT
Post by Staffsoatcake on Jan 28, 2024 10:01:01 GMT
He's had his chances along with our other strikers,none are scoring,maybe its time to pick one who hasn't played for the 1st team this season,Tezgel,Shirley he couldn't do any worse.
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Jan 28, 2024 10:02:39 GMT
Post by philb on Jan 28, 2024 10:02:39 GMT
He’s the best all-round striker we’ve got at the club.
That says everything…..
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Jan 28, 2024 11:07:19 GMT
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Post by Championship Potter on Jan 28, 2024 11:07:19 GMT
The more I think about it, this is exactly what we should be playing. Hoever and Thompson work best as wing backs - wouldn’t need to worry as much about their defensive frailties then. Thompson could move infield when Hoever attacks (like a budget John Stones). Junior could drop in as a right sided centre back in a three to provide some much needed pace and aggression. With the right coaching it could definitely work. Would also mean we’d never see Haks, Leris or Vidigal start, which on current form feels a blessing. He’s certainly going to have to try something different if we can’t get a CF in this window. Switching the strikers about and expecting one of them to suddenly find the ability to do a job they’ve shown they are incapable of just isn’t going to work on any sort of consistent basis. Buying a CF is never easy but is doubly difficult in January, it would be nice but there isn’t really much suggestion it might happen in the few days left in this window. Without it there’s going to have to a lot of creative thinking and flexibility. Over to you Schu. I think it’s the best we can do without better strikers and centre backs. Centre backs all have their flaws but with a back three we should generally be less exposed to the breaks that keep catching us out. Junior could then have doubled up on Clarke on occasions to stop him running us ragged too (appreciate he hasn’t actually available for this game). We simply don’t have good enough centre backs to allow the full backs to bomb forward if it’s only a two. Similar with the strikers - there is no clear lead the line candidate but they all have skill sets that have some use to us, it’s just a case of pairing two together that complement each other and can hopefully create space / chances for the other. On top of that, none of our wingers have any real pace.
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