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Post by robwahlmann on Jul 24, 2023 7:58:28 GMT
........................Travers........................ Hoever...........Wilmot........Davies.........the Colchester kid ............Pearson...............Laurent.............. ........................Johnson......................... Chicinho.................Moore...............Campbell
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Post by Gods on Jul 24, 2023 8:11:43 GMT
Butch Cassidy and the Colchester Kid 😆
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Post by Roy Cropper on Jul 24, 2023 8:13:17 GMT
Player for player yes, look at the state of some squads that make the play-offs.
As a team? Who knows.
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Post by Northy on Jul 24, 2023 8:14:47 GMT
What about Rose at CB ?
There should be more goals in that team than our lot the last few seasons, and a better keeper will help, so yes, a possibility of an extra 15 points to sneak in the play offs, obviously dependant on how other clubs have strengthened as well.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jul 24, 2023 8:17:47 GMT
........................ Travers........................ Hoever...........Wilmot........ Davies......... the Colchester kid............Pearson...............Laurent.............. ........................Johnson......................... Chicinho................. Moore...............Campbell Realistic but in terms of play off contention: 1 If the Wilmott of the second half of last season turns up yes but if the Wilmott of the first half of the season turns up no. 2 Hoever will do well in some games and will be a liability in others. 3 No idea if the Colchester kid can step up to the Championship. 4 No idea if Chicinho has fully recovered from his injury. 5 Not convinced Moore or a player like him is part of plan A - Neil said on several occasions he wants a target man as an alternative when Plan A (a more fluid and mobile front three) isn't working. I think a Stewart/Gallagher type will be our first choice striker. 6 Campbell may yet leave and to be an automatic starter he needs to be more consistent and get more involved in games rather than wait for things to happen. 7 No idea if that starting 11 will gel. 8 It's extremely unlikely that a single starting 11 will be suited to every opposition and injuries and form will mean we will rarely get the same 11 out in consecutive matches let alone across the season. Squad depth and flexibility is as important as an ideal starting 11. So realistic yes, play off contenders probably not
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Post by Eggybread on Jul 24, 2023 8:18:21 GMT
Never in a million years The line ups changed😀
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Post by robwahlmann on Jul 24, 2023 8:18:40 GMT
What about Rose at CB ? There should be more goals in that team than our lot the last few seasons, and a better keeper will help, so yes, a possibility of an extra 15 points to sneak in the play offs, obviously dependant on how other clubs have strengthened as well. I haven't seen Rose play much yet, but he might be a better choice than Wilmot?
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Post by neddy on Jul 24, 2023 8:27:46 GMT
Good post this to consider carefully and even with all those changes I’m not convinced it’s a play off team.
Just again massively underlines what a difficult job they have to turn this around.
I think with the additions we expect already highlighted there is still a really long way to go and then they have to gel and play a bit to establish a pattern.
It’s very hard in my opinion.
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Post by wuzza on Jul 24, 2023 8:29:17 GMT
Probably not and almost certainly not.
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Post by lordb on Jul 24, 2023 8:29:54 GMT
........................ Travers........................ Hoever...........Wilmot........ Davies......... the Colchester kid............Pearson...............Laurent.............. ........................Johnson......................... Chicinho................. Moore...............Campbell who is Davies?
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Post by robwahlmann on Jul 24, 2023 8:31:59 GMT
........................ Travers........................ Hoever...........Wilmot........ Davies......... the Colchester kid............Pearson...............Laurent.............. ........................Johnson......................... Chicinho................. Moore...............Campbell who is Davies? We have been linked to the Rangers defender who was at Lpool for a short spell. Don't know how realistic this is, but I think Neill really likes him.
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Post by wuzza on Jul 24, 2023 8:31:59 GMT
Good post this to consider carefully and even with all those changes I’m not convinced it’s a play off team. Just again massively underlines what a difficult job they have to turn this around. I think with the additions we expect already highlighted there is still a really long way to go and then they have to gel and play a bit to establish a pattern. It’s very hard in my opinion. To recruit and install a functional and organised defence should not be a work of managerial genius at Championship level. Especially when funds are readily available.
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Post by lordb on Jul 24, 2023 8:32:43 GMT
We have been linked to the Rangers defender who was at Lpool for a short spell. Don't know how realistic this is, but I think Neill really likes him. Missed that
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Post by neddy on Jul 24, 2023 8:36:24 GMT
Good post this to consider carefully and even with all those changes I’m not convinced it’s a play off team. Just again massively underlines what a difficult job they have to turn this around. I think with the additions we expect already highlighted there is still a really long way to go and then they have to gel and play a bit to establish a pattern. It’s very hard in my opinion. To recruit and install a functional and organised defence should not be a work of managerial genius at Championship level. Especially when funds are readily available. Hmmm even though the goalkeeper and back 4 have only Willmot as a starter and he is questioned? We can’t spend all the money on that as we need several other players as well…….I honestly don’t believe it’s as easy as you suggest at Stoke is no longer an easy destination to get good players to come to. You may be correct and I’m over thinking it but we will see.
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Post by greenhoff on Jul 24, 2023 8:49:45 GMT
Good post this to consider carefully and even with all those changes I’m not convinced it’s a play off team. Just again massively underlines what a difficult job they have to turn this around. I think with the additions we expect already highlighted there is still a really long way to go and then they have to gel and play a bit to establish a pattern. It’s very hard in my opinion. To recruit and install a functional and organised defence should not be a work of managerial genius at Championship level. Especially when funds are readily available. This x1000
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Post by Silkystoke on Jul 24, 2023 8:57:40 GMT
I really can’t believe if we signed 10 players the team would get into the play off… Need another 12 months
How can you even talk about play offs…????
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Post by gingerninja on Jul 24, 2023 9:00:25 GMT
The worry is, by & large, the players we are signing, haven't had a proper pre season, so won't be ready until possibly the end of August 😳.
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Post by lordb on Jul 24, 2023 9:02:15 GMT
The worry is, by & large, the players we are signing, haven't had a proper pre season, so won't be ready until possibly the end of August 😳. if signing players from other clubs then they should have had a proper pre season , why wouldn't they? signing free agents then yes that's more of a concern
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jul 24, 2023 9:02:33 GMT
We have been linked to the Rangers defender who was at Lpool for a short spell. Don't know how realistic this is, but I think Neill really likes him. Missed that Ben Davies. Went from Preston to the Dippers. Not sure if it was when Neil was there. Not seen any genuine link just the fact that he’s a Preston old boy.
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Post by peterthornesboots on Jul 24, 2023 9:02:35 GMT
........................ Travers........................ Hoever...........Wilmot........ Davies......... the Colchester kid............Pearson...............Laurent.............. ........................Johnson......................... Chicinho................. Moore...............Campbell If that team finished in the top half of the table I would be impressed. We basically need a whole new spine for the team. A reliable goalkeeper. An imposing central defender. A creative attacking midfielder. A striker.
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Post by peterthornesboots on Jul 24, 2023 9:03:50 GMT
The worry is, by & large, the players we are signing, haven't had a proper pre season, so won't be ready until possibly the end of August 😳. if signing players from other clubs then they should have had a proper pre season , why wouldn't they? signing free agents then yes that's more of a concern It is less about fitness and more to do with having time to gel with their team mates and to grasp ANs tactical approach.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jul 24, 2023 9:06:10 GMT
........................ Travers........................ Hoever...........Wilmot........ Davies......... the Colchester kid............Pearson...............Laurent.............. ........................Johnson......................... Chicinho................. Moore...............Campbell If that team finished in the top half of the table I would be impressed. We basically need a whole new spine for the team. A reliable goalkeeper. An imposing central defender. A creative attacking midfielder. A striker. But is Rob’s proposed team basically not a whole new spine?
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Post by peterthornesboots on Jul 24, 2023 9:07:50 GMT
If that team finished in the top half of the table I would be impressed. We basically need a whole new spine for the team. A reliable goalkeeper. An imposing central defender. A creative attacking midfielder. A striker. But is Rob’s proposed team basically not a whole new spine? Yes, none of which we have signed yet. 😅
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jul 24, 2023 9:10:56 GMT
That 11 look far better than what we have had these past 5/6 seasons.
So they should finish higher than what we are used to,top 10 maybe,If we have a good bench who knows.
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Jul 24, 2023 9:11:10 GMT
I really can’t believe if we signed 10 players the team would get into the play off… Need another 12 months How can you even talk about play offs…???? Don't think the number of new players is an issue, forest last year bought 20+ players and added them to an already large squad and still stayed up. Give em 4 to 6 weeks to bed in and they'll be fine. Teams who hit the top at end of August rarely stay there..
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jul 24, 2023 9:17:43 GMT
But is Rob’s proposed team basically not a whole new spine? Yes, none of which we have signed yet. 😅 I know mate it is a big hypothetical but that was the point of the thread. My concern is not the 2 or 3 we need to add to the first team to make it competitive (although as you say they are in crucial positions) but the lack of any quality in depth. Bonham Edwards Taylor Thompson Brown All an injury away from lengthy first team action.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Jul 24, 2023 9:42:36 GMT
To recruit and install a functional and organised defence should not be a work of managerial genius at Championship level. Especially when funds are readily available. Hmmm even though the goalkeeper and back 4 have only Willmot as a starter and he is questioned? We can’t spend all the money on that as we need several other players as well…….I honestly don’t believe it’s as easy as you suggest at Stoke is no longer an easy destination to get good players to come to. You may be correct and I’m over thinking it but we will see. I think you may be right about attracting certain players to Stoke , we are not an attractive prospect at the moment for some of our targets given our past few years but if you have people in the club who know the game and decent scouting you can sort a half decent team that then other player might want to join . Luton were not attractive but are in the Premier League. Millwall always seem to have a decent defence and always top 10 so we do underachieve
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Post by thehoof on Jul 24, 2023 10:03:28 GMT
Nowhere near a contender I’m afraid. Mid- table- which is an improvement.
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Jul 24, 2023 10:05:34 GMT
That’s the spirit! 🙄
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Jul 24, 2023 10:09:39 GMT
I really can’t believe if we signed 10 players the team would get into the play off… Need another 12 months How can you even talk about play offs…???? Suppose you were saying that on 10th August 2007?
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