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Post by Gawa on Jun 11, 2023 17:11:39 GMT
Ending? Naah ... Beginning rather, if you ask the Swedish politicians. Tonight we'll have the big Political party leader debate on TV. I assume the drug politics and the new laws will be touched at least, even though energy, nato, crime will be issues in focus. New drug laws here says they will definitely increase the punishment further. 5 mins ago they said on TV, if you have smoked a joint and paid for it, you will send the seller to prison without any doubt for 6 months immediately, no matter what since that's the new minimum level, The text messaging between all(!) people will be controlled by the state in co-operation with the tele operators and give them evidence from now on. Wow! We have to build 1000 new prisons then for a start. One said they hugely admire and inspiration comes from Singapore, Phillepenes and places like that. Shops that sell candy with some sort of cannabis related component will be closed. Reasons are the politicians are sick and tired of all the gang related shootings now! They also said Stockholm is worst in Europe! Their goal is a Drug Free Generation. The old sweatshirt will come handy. 🤠 I will watch the Politicians debate. Then Wallander ... At least you and your family will be alot safer now that the government are getting these violent criminals of the street. If stoners behaved as well as drunks then it wouldn't be a problem. But they have a history of being violent, disorderly and commiting sexual assaults when under the influence. |
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Post by musik on Jun 11, 2023 21:41:59 GMT
Ending? Naah ... Beginning rather, if you ask the Swedish politicians. Tonight we'll have the big Political party leader debate on TV. I assume the drug politics and the new laws will be touched at least, even though energy, nato, crime will be issues in focus. New drug laws here says they will definitely increase the punishment further. 5 mins ago they said on TV, if you have smoked a joint and paid for it, you will send the seller to prison without any doubt for 6 months immediately, no matter what since that's the new minimum level, The text messaging between all(!) people will be controlled by the state in co-operation with the tele operators and give them evidence from now on. Wow! We have to build 1000 new prisons then for a start. One said they hugely admire and inspiration comes from Singapore, Phillepenes and places like that. Shops that sell candy with some sort of cannabis related component will be closed. Reasons are the politicians are sick and tired of all the gang related shootings now! They also said Stockholm is worst in Europe! Their goal is a Drug Free Generation. The old sweatshirt will come handy. 🤠 I will watch the Politicians debate. Then Wallander ... What’s crime like in Sweden? Going up? Gangs with military automatic weapons walking the streets shooting each other in all kind of areas, not only a suburban issue anymore. Most shootings in Europe. Many innocent victims these days. I wasn't satisfied the TV debate is on Tuesday instead of tonight. |
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Post by scfcno1fan on Jun 11, 2023 21:51:43 GMT
If today is an average day around 17 people will die from a drug overdose, the same with yesterday, the same tomorrow and the day after etc. Many of these deaths could have been prevented by taking the distribution of drugs out of the hands of criminals and putting it into the hands of licensed, qualified professional clinicians or pharmacists. The parents of some of these victims gather together every year on College Green, opposite Parliament, to plant a 'flower' for each death and to meet with their MP to protest against our current drug laws. I was there last year and I emailed Jo Gideon a few weeks ago to request a meeting this year, I haven't received a reply as yet. Anyone that wants to get involved is more than welcome, there's likely to be speakers from all the main political parties, there was last year anyway, only one political party declined the invitation, doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to deduce which one. anyoneschild.org/lobby-of-parliament-june-27-2023/Anyone that wants any more info please feel free to pm me. This is some footage from the day last year - Forgive my naivety, not a subject I know much about, how would taking the distribution of drugs out of criminal hands prevent unnecessary deaths? |
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Post by musik on Jun 11, 2023 22:09:40 GMT
If today is an average day around 17 people will die from a drug overdose, the same with yesterday, the same tomorrow and the day after etc. Many of these deaths could have been prevented by taking the distribution of drugs out of the hands of criminals and putting it into the hands of licensed, qualified professional clinicians or pharmacists. The parents of some of these victims gather together every year on College Green, opposite Parliament, to plant a 'flower' for each death and to meet with their MP to protest against our current drug laws. I was there last year and I emailed Jo Gideon a few weeks ago to request a meeting this year, I haven't received a reply as yet. Anyone that wants to get involved is more than welcome, there's likely to be speakers from all the main political parties, there was last year anyway, only one political party declined the invitation, doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to deduce which one. anyoneschild.org/lobby-of-parliament-june-27-2023/Anyone that wants any more info please feel free to pm me. This is some footage from the day last year - Forgive my naivety, not a subject I know much about, how would taking the distribution of drugs out of criminal hands prevent unnecessary deaths? The proponents believe pharmacies can provide cleaner drugs, unmixed, in controlled forms. And that is probably correct. It would decrease by more than 50%, I guess. However, I sincerely sometimes believe that politicians grade drug addicts on the same level as the elderly disabled during the Covid-19 peak, they don't really count as a loss. Furthermore, nothing says crime will decrease if drugs were allowed. Criminals say it themselves, as they see it as an occupation or profession to be a criminal and walk the walk for their right to have unions and pay taxes. If there is no jobs to get within one sector or market within criminality, they will start another business. Like anyone unemployed do. |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Jun 11, 2023 22:28:59 GMT
Forgive my naivety, not a subject I know much about, how would taking the distribution of drugs out of criminal hands prevent unnecessary deaths? The proponents believe pharmacies can provide cleaner drugs, unmixed, in controlled forms. And that is probably correct. It would decrease by more than 50%, I guess. However, I sincerely sometimes believe that politicians grade drug addicts on the same level as the elderly disabled during the Covid-19 peak, they don't really count as a loss. Furthermore, nothing says crime will decrease if drugs were allowed. Criminals say it themselves, as they see it as an occupation or profession to be a criminal and walk the walk for their right to have unions and pay taxes. If there is no jobs to get within one sector or market within criminality, they will seek another business. Like anyone unemployed do. Spot on. It’s a lot easier to have an idealistic outlook on life when there’s no history to base evidence on other than if it’s being used in other countries where often the cultures different to ours. It’s a lot easier to criticise something that already exists. As you say there will always be criminals and they’ll always be looking for the next way of making money quick. Gone are the days of the bank blags and robberies with the introduction of a cash free society to be replaced by online fraud often committed overseas or the theft of keyless expensive cars or moped muggings of expensive watches or county lines / criminal sexual exploitation. |
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Post by Gawa on Jun 11, 2023 22:44:52 GMT
Forgive my naivety, not a subject I know much about, how would taking the distribution of drugs out of criminal hands prevent unnecessary deaths? The proponents believe pharmacies can provide cleaner drugs, unmixed, in controlled forms. And that is probably correct. It would decrease by more than 50%, I guess. However, I sincerely sometimes believe that politicians grade drug addicts on the same level as the elderly disabled during the Covid-19 peak, they don't really count as a loss. Furthermore, nothing says crime will decrease if drugs were allowed. Criminals say it themselves, as they see it as an occupation or profession to be a criminal and walk the walk for their right to have unions and pay taxes. If there is no jobs to get within one sector or market within criminality, they will start another business. Like anyone unemployed do. I disagree with your last paragraph. I think the word "criminals" is very generalised there. I think if you're talking about the gangs with guns then yes that applies. I don't think it applies to your average street dealer selling small bits. For instance I buy cannabis of a full time chef in his 40s. He only sells to a handful of people to subsidise his own costs and I just go to his house talk about how shit arsenal are for 30 mins and leave. I don't think he does it because he loves being a criminal. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2023 0:13:44 GMT
The proponents believe pharmacies can provide cleaner drugs, unmixed, in controlled forms. And that is probably correct. It would decrease by more than 50%, I guess. However, I sincerely sometimes believe that politicians grade drug addicts on the same level as the elderly disabled during the Covid-19 peak, they don't really count as a loss. Furthermore, nothing says crime will decrease if drugs were allowed. Criminals say it themselves, as they see it as an occupation or profession to be a criminal and walk the walk for their right to have unions and pay taxes. If there is no jobs to get within one sector or market within criminality, they will seek another business. Like anyone unemployed do. Spot on. It’s a lot easier to have an idealistic outlook on life when there’s no history to base evidence on other than if it’s being used in other countries where often the cultures different to ours. It’s a lot easier to criticise something that already exists. As you say there will always be criminals and they’ll always be looking for the next way of making money quick. Gone are the days of the bank blags and robberies with the introduction of a cash free society to be replaced by online fraud often committed overseas or the theft of keyless expensive cars or moped muggings of expensive watches or county lines / criminal sexual exploitation. So, your simple solution is to just keep employing crap methods that have been shown to not be as effective in this culture in case other ones are less effective? |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Jun 12, 2023 6:03:51 GMT
Spot on. It’s a lot easier to have an idealistic outlook on life when there’s no history to base evidence on other than if it’s being used in other countries where often the cultures different to ours. It’s a lot easier to criticise something that already exists. As you say there will always be criminals and they’ll always be looking for the next way of making money quick. Gone are the days of the bank blags and robberies with the introduction of a cash free society to be replaced by online fraud often committed overseas or the theft of keyless expensive cars or moped muggings of expensive watches or county lines / criminal sexual exploitation. So, your simple solution is to just keep employing crap methods that have been shown to not be as effective in this culture in case other ones are less effective? If there weren’t laws we’d have nothing to guide ourselves by. There’s always room for improvement and of course there needs to be more funding around education and support but there always has to be boundaries set in the form of laws and legislation otherwise we’ll have everyone under the age of 16 flying around on e-bikes at 40 mph without helmets or buying heroin / crack without fear of reprisal. The majority of people seem to be able to keep within them without issue. |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jun 12, 2023 6:22:10 GMT
I'm sure I read recently how Portugal has been successful in decriminalising?
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Post by elystokie on Jun 12, 2023 7:14:54 GMT
So, your simple solution is to just keep employing crap methods that have been shown to not be as effective in this culture in case other ones are less effective? If there weren’t laws we’d have nothing to guide ourselves by. There’s always room for improvement and of course there needs to be more funding around education and support but there always has to be boundaries set in the form of laws and legislation otherwise we’ll have everyone under the age of 16 flying around on e-bikes at 40 mph without helmets or buying heroin / crack without fear of reprisal. The majority of people seem to be able to keep within them without issue. "otherwise we’ll have everyone under the age of 16 flying around on e-bikes at 40 mph without helmets or buying heroin / crack without fear of reprisal." Which prohibition has been highly successful at preventing, obviously.. I'm going to ask you the same questions I've asked you a number of times before, I'm not expecting an answer obviously, however I will keep asking them. What criteria do you think we should use for our drug laws, how should we decide which drugs are legal and which not? On what grounds do you think people should be denied legal, regulated, recreational cannabis? |
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Post by elystokie on Jun 12, 2023 7:18:17 GMT
I'm sure I read recently how Portugal has been successful in decriminalising? Yes, pretty much, nothing's perfect but they're in a much better place than we are with it and went from 96th place in terms of how safe the country is to regularly being in the top 5. Their laws won't work for us apparently cos we're not Portuguese!!! 🤷🏻 Me neither. |
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Post by elystokie on Jun 12, 2023 7:29:37 GMT
If today is an average day around 17 people will die from a drug overdose, the same with yesterday, the same tomorrow and the day after etc. Many of these deaths could have been prevented by taking the distribution of drugs out of the hands of criminals and putting it into the hands of licensed, qualified professional clinicians or pharmacists. The parents of some of these victims gather together every year on College Green, opposite Parliament, to plant a 'flower' for each death and to meet with their MP to protest against our current drug laws. I was there last year and I emailed Jo Gideon a few weeks ago to request a meeting this year, I haven't received a reply as yet. Anyone that wants to get involved is more than welcome, there's likely to be speakers from all the main political parties, there was last year anyway, only one political party declined the invitation, doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to deduce which one. anyoneschild.org/lobby-of-parliament-june-27-2023/Anyone that wants any more info please feel free to pm me. This is some footage from the day last year - Forgive my naivety, not a subject I know much about, how would taking the distribution of drugs out of criminal hands prevent unnecessary deaths? Imagine a pub or off licence where you have little to zero idea how strong the pint of lager or cider you're buying is. Imagine also that neither of those beverages you're about to buy has been through any sort of quality control or been subject to any hygienic conditions. Add into that the fact that you're buying off criminals who, because of the price of the product and the profits to be made are very protective over their 'territory' as are many others, sometimes (read often) there is crossover and the violence we see gleefully splashed across the front pages of the Daily Mail and such like ensues. None of this happens in the alcohol trade. As pointed out on a different thread, heroin, the drug we're most afraid of (me included if I'm honest) kills nobody in its pure form, it's the adulterants added in thanks to prohibition that do that. |
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Post by elystokie on Jun 12, 2023 7:38:10 GMT
Forgive my naivety, not a subject I know much about, how would taking the distribution of drugs out of criminal hands prevent unnecessary deaths? The proponents believe pharmacies can provide cleaner drugs, unmixed, in controlled forms. And that is probably correct. It would decrease by more than 50%, I guess. However, I sincerely sometimes believe that politicians grade drug addicts on the same level as the elderly disabled during the Covid-19 peak, they don't really count as a loss. Furthermore, nothing says crime will decrease if drugs were allowed. Criminals say it themselves, as they see it as an occupation or profession to be a criminal and walk the walk for their right to have unions and pay taxes. If there is no jobs to get within one sector or market within criminality, they will start another business. Like anyone unemployed do. So the way to keep crime down is to encourage the criminals to carry on with the crimes they're currently committing cos they'll just commit other crimes anyway? Don't know why law enforcement agencies throughout the world aren't following this model, it's revolutionary, they must have a reason I suppose.. |
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Post by musik on Jun 12, 2023 9:26:23 GMT
The proponents believe pharmacies can provide cleaner drugs, unmixed, in controlled forms. And that is probably correct. It would decrease by more than 50%, I guess. However, I sincerely sometimes believe that politicians grade drug addicts on the same level as the elderly disabled during the Covid-19 peak, they don't really count as a loss. Furthermore, nothing says crime will decrease if drugs were allowed. Criminals say it themselves, as they see it as an occupation or profession to be a criminal and walk the walk for their right to have unions and pay taxes. If there is no jobs to get within one sector or market within criminality, they will start another business. Like anyone unemployed do. So the way to keep crime down is to encourage the criminals to carry on with the crimes they're currently committing cos they'll just commit other crimes anyway? Don't know why law enforcement agencies throughout the world aren't following this model, it's revolutionary, they must have a reason I suppose.. Ely, as I wrote the debate will be sent on Tuesday instead of yesterday. I might give an update then. But if I'm guessing right now, I think their plan is to put the criminals in jail. And when it's done, the crime within the society isn't such a big issue any longer. That's what they've said so far. Clearly, Sweden has picked a radical direction. |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Jun 12, 2023 10:21:51 GMT
The proponents believe pharmacies can provide cleaner drugs, unmixed, in controlled forms. And that is probably correct. It would decrease by more than 50%, I guess. However, I sincerely sometimes believe that politicians grade drug addicts on the same level as the elderly disabled during the Covid-19 peak, they don't really count as a loss. Furthermore, nothing says crime will decrease if drugs were allowed. Criminals say it themselves, as they see it as an occupation or profession to be a criminal and walk the walk for their right to have unions and pay taxes. If there is no jobs to get within one sector or market within criminality, they will start another business. Like anyone unemployed do. So the way to keep crime down is to encourage the criminals to carry on with the crimes they're currently committing cos they'll just commit other crimes anyway? Don't know why law enforcement agencies throughout the world aren't following this model, it's revolutionary, they must have a reason I suppose.. I’m sure it’s been researched by some incredibly intelligent people and they’ve seen some negatives too it. |
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Post by elystokie on Jun 12, 2023 10:26:21 GMT
So the way to keep crime down is to encourage the criminals to carry on with the crimes they're currently committing cos they'll just commit other crimes anyway? Don't know why law enforcement agencies throughout the world aren't following this model, it's revolutionary, they must have a reason I suppose.. I’m sure it’s been researched by some incredibly intelligent people and they’ve seen some negatives too it. I've shared plenty of research on here, maybe you could share the results of the work of these incredibly intelligent people? |
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Post by elystokie on Jun 12, 2023 10:44:25 GMT
So the way to keep crime down is to encourage the criminals to carry on with the crimes they're currently committing cos they'll just commit other crimes anyway? Don't know why law enforcement agencies throughout the world aren't following this model, it's revolutionary, they must have a reason I suppose.. Ely, as I wrote the debate will be sent on Tuesday instead of yesterday. I might give an update then. But if I'm guessing right now, I think their plan is to put the criminals in jail. And when it's done, the crime within the society isn't such a big issue any longer. That's what they've said so far. Clearly, Sweden has picked a radical direction. Not only is the direction they've taken dangerous to your population, it's dangerous to the planet. Please, if you can't be arsed to watch all of the video, at least watch from 49 minutes on, I promise you'll find it interesting. "We can't tackle climate change whilst drug prohibition is in place" That should illicit a flurry of laughing emojis from certain quarters 🙂 |
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Post by mtrstudent on Jun 12, 2023 14:52:58 GMT
My Portuguese mate says Portugal's drug problems got way smaller since they went liberal on it.
Loads of US states have legalised weed and I think the biggest losers have been the cartels.
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Post by elystokie on Jun 12, 2023 15:34:29 GMT
My Portuguese mate says Portugal's drug problems got way smaller since they went liberal on it. Loads of US states have legalised weed and I think the biggest losers have been the cartels. Followed by the pharmaceutical companies, the alcohol industry and the funeral director industry. People live longer and healthier in legal states 🙂 |
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Post by Veritas on Jun 12, 2023 15:37:32 GMT
My Portuguese mate says Portugal's drug problems got way smaller since they went liberal on it. Loads of US states have legalised weed and I think the biggest losers have been the cartels. Followed by the pharmaceutical companies, the alcohol industry and the funeral director industry. People live longer and healthier in legal states 🙂 I don't necessarily disagree but have you anything in the way of evidence? |
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Post by elystokie on Jun 12, 2023 15:49:58 GMT
Followed by the pharmaceutical companies, the alcohol industry and the funeral director industry. People live longer and healthier in legal states 🙂 I don't necessarily disagree but have you anything in the way of evidence? Sure - scholarworks.iu.edu/dspace/handle/2022/21632"Overall, prohibition is estimated to lead to similar numbers of premature deaths as drunk driving, homicide, or fatal opioid overdose." |
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Post by elystokie on Jun 13, 2023 5:47:35 GMT
"Let's base our systems on evidence, not ideology"
Yes, let's.
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Post by elystokie on Jun 13, 2023 10:25:15 GMT
Absolutely brilliant TED Talk
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Post by elystokie on Jun 17, 2023 6:21:44 GMT
Drug War - Epic fail
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Post by musik on Jun 17, 2023 12:21:31 GMT
Report from the political debate on Tuesday and all the media storms that followed online in the news and in forums.
They debated schools and teaching, taxes, housing, energy, nuclear power and above all crime. Not much about migration or drugs, not directly anyway.
The goal is however to build a drug free society.
I firmly believe them when they said online afterwards we will be one one of a few nations who actually will diminish the population the coming years, and hopefully without any war.
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Post by elystokie on Jun 17, 2023 13:00:45 GMT
Report from the political debate on Tuesday and all the media storms that followed online in the news and in forums. They debated schools and teaching, taxes, housing, energy, nuclear power and above all crime. Not much about migration or drugs, not directly anyway. The goal is however to build a drug free society. I firmly believe them when they said online afterwards we will be one one of a few nations who actually will diminish the population the coming years, and hopefully without any war. Have the government given reasons for this hard-line approach? Are the relative harm's of all psychoactive drugs widely publicised? Edit - drug free society as in free of alcohol, tobacco, sugar and caffeine? Wow, that'll take some doing. |
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Post by Widget123 on Jun 17, 2023 13:52:15 GMT
I listened to the audio book for Tom Wainwrights "Narconomics: How to Run a Drug Cartel" earlier in the year. He's the British editor of Economist magazine and he discusses the issues of running a cartel and the possible solutions for the "war on drugs" in several different chapters. Its a fascinating look at how the drugs trade works and the basic uselessness of the current prohibition approaches through comparison with legal businesses, basic economics and more besides. Comes recommended and doesn't hold back on the details of just how awful the whole thing is. www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/25159062 |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 17, 2023 14:59:33 GMT
Drug wars are such an easy target for all politicians. Recognizing that they only have a four-year term and a 15 second soundbite with which to convince their audience, they resort to: “drugs are bad, mmmkay”. They rarely get up and talk about why people are doing drugs, trying to address the underlying problem. Prevention would be expensive (initially) but then cost goes down as fewer drug related crimes occur, fewer hospital visits are made and more tax revenues come in from people who wouldn’t have otherwise been able to hold down a job. I feel that social programs like this are rarely a non-starter in the UK. Partisan politics gets in the way (even when both sides might even agree with it). Edit: it’s very sad that these gatherings are a thing and it’s a disgrace that Jo Gideon has ignored you thus far. They were trialling a similar assisted heroin program in Middlesbrough to that which has been so successful in Switzerland but I think, despite it showing similar promise, funding was withdrawn. To be fair to the politicians their hand is largely forced by sections of our media, last year several people that met their MP confirmed that it was mainly sensationalist reports and criticism from, in particular the Daily Mail, that were holding back progress. Similar points were made at a conference I attended last year called 'Drugs, the Media and the Law'. Some of the speakers there interacted directly with the press and basically said it's a waste of time giving the Daily Mail any quotes because they either misrepresent what was said or, more often, just completely fabricate it. We then base our laws and policies on these lies because the public, most of whom can't be arsed to do their own research, get taken in by it. The Daily Mail have a lot of blood on their hands imo. I don't buy the their hands are tied by the media line. They may well be scared of losing votes to the readership of a particular publication but that's just putting self interest before good decision making. The "war on drugs" is just an attempt at sounding morally righteous - if anything it's just made the situation worse. Decriminalise and deal with the matter as a public health issue. Drugs policy at the moment just creates the environment for criminality to own what happens on the ground. |
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Post by musik on Jun 17, 2023 15:04:41 GMT
Report from the political debate on Tuesday and all the media storms that followed online in the news and in forums. They debated schools and teaching, taxes, housing, energy, nuclear power and above all crime. Not much about migration or drugs, not directly anyway. The goal is however to build a drug free society. I firmly believe them when they said online afterwards we will be one one of a few nations who actually will diminish the population the coming years, and hopefully without any war. Have the government given reasons for this hard-line approach? Are the relative harm's of all psychoactive drugs widely publicised? Edit - drug free society as in free of alcohol, tobacco, sugar and caffeine? Wow, that'll take some doing. The reason is to bring the crime level down, they say. Since selling and using drugs both is seen as a bad thing (and also the drug trade corresponding shootings), by taking strong actions and putting those people away (especially the sellers, but also the buyers according to some groups), crime will go down. Trade will go away when the sellers have been sent to Bulgaria and Afghanistan. They consider to hire prison cells there. When there is no existing physical market, there's no problem, they say. They have identified 30.000 people to begin with, according to yesterday's news. The politicians give a shit about the relative harm when it comes to drugs, I believe. They trust the medicine industry and doctors, it seems. Our government consists of M (Conservatives), KD (Christ Democrats) and L (Liberals). But it's important to realise, in fact it's the SD (Sweden Democrats) who actually rule the country [until 2026 at least], since the proportions give them the chance to decide every proposal as a kind of external actor. That's how the outcome of the voting system works here. So why this war becomes stronger now, the main reason is this: SD see drugs as a foreign component, belonging mainly to the immigrants in the suburbans and on the countryside in this country; they've brought it in. It comes from the Middle East, Africa and Southern America to a large extent - so we have no room for it here to alter the nordic human being in different ways, they say. Alcohol, tobacco, coffee, coca cola and sweets on the other hand was a part of Sweden during the world wars and a few decades after them. But that was before the huge immigration. So it's basically a war against culture issue. The Christ Democrats on the other hand push strongly for their main idea that noone should decide what to do with their own body, since it's hired from the Al Mighty Good Lord during our existence on Earth. The Liberals say nout, as long as they're part of the power. Next National Election Sep 2026. According to the latest opinion poll, the government side now only have 45%, and the red communist side 55%. 🤠 |
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Post by elystokie on Jun 17, 2023 15:08:31 GMT
Have the government given reasons for this hard-line approach? Are the relative harm's of all psychoactive drugs widely publicised? Edit - drug free society as in free of alcohol, tobacco, sugar and caffeine? Wow, that'll take some doing. The reason is to bring the crime level down, they say. Since selling and using drugs both is seen as a bad thing (and also the drug trade corresponding shootings), by taking strong actions and putting those people away (especially the sellers, but also the buyers according to some groups), crime will go down. Trade will go away when the sellers have been sent to Bulgaria and Afghanistan. They consider to hire prison cells there. When there is no existing physical market, there's no problem, they say. They have identified 30.000 people to begin with, according to yesterday's news. The politicians give a shit about the relative harm when it comes to drugs, I believe. They trust the medicine industry and doctors, it seems. Our government consists of M (Conservatives), KD (Christ Democrats) and L (Liberals). But it's important to realise, in fact it's the SD (Sweden Democrats) who actually rule the country [until 2026 at least], since the proportions give them the chance to decide every proposal as a kind of external actor. That's how the outcome of the voting system works here. So why this war becomes stronger now, the main reason is this: SD see drugs as a foreign component, belonging mainly to the immigrants in the suburbans and on the countryside in this country; they've brought it in. It comes from the Middle East, Africa and Southern America to a large extent - so we have no room for it here to alter the nordic human being in different ways, they say. Alcohol, tobacco, coffee, coca cola and sweets on the other hand was a part of Sweden during the world wars and a few decades after them. But that was before the huge immigration. So it's basically a war against culture issue. The Christ Democrats on the other hand push strongly for their main idea that noone should decide what to do with their own body, since it's hired from the Al Mighty Good Lord during our existence on Earth. The Liberals say nout, as long as they're part of the power. Next National Election Sep 2026. According to the latest opinion poll, the government side now only have 45%, and the red communist side 55%. 🤠 "So it's basically a war against culture issue." Same as it ever was 😕 |
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