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Post by clarkeda on Jun 1, 2023 7:28:54 GMT
A genuine whiff of a points deduction in the air & also a good chance of needing a new manager I’m indifferent on Neil, but If we could get CC we absolutely should. At least he plays high press like Neil so there’s be SOME consistency for a change
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 1, 2023 10:15:11 GMT
A genuine whiff of a points deduction in the air & also a good chance of needing a new manager I’m indifferent on Neil, but If we could get CC we absolutely should. At least he plays high press like Neil so there’s be SOME consistency for a change We currently have 4 players who might make the starting 11 on a regular basis (Wilmott, Laurent, Brown and Campbell). If we were to bring in a new manager (and we won't) consistency isn't an issue as we are pretty much starting from scratch next season. At this moment a new manager could do whatever they want.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jun 1, 2023 11:20:04 GMT
I’m indifferent on Neil, but If we could get CC we absolutely should. At least he plays high press like Neil so there’s be SOME consistency for a change We currently have 4 players who might make the starting 11 on a regular basis (Wilmott, Laurent, Brown and Campbell). If we were to bring in a new manager (and we won't) consistency isn't an issue as we are pretty much starting from scratch next season. At this moment a new manager could do whatever they want. Combine that summary wit Martin’s inane rambling about being proactive , europe being shut it rams home just what what a mess these two have created and how hopelessly I’ll prepared they are to solve it 14-1 relegation looking a very decent bet
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Post by thevoid on Jun 1, 2023 11:49:34 GMT
West Brom. A proper, traditional football club with a rich history. Similar to us. Some great clashes against them. I personally take no pleasure in seeing any club in crisis. None at all. Especially given our current position* *Apart from Fail. They can rot
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 1, 2023 11:57:01 GMT
We currently have 4 players who might make the starting 11 on a regular basis (Wilmott, Laurent, Brown and Campbell). If we were to bring in a new manager (and we won't) consistency isn't an issue as we are pretty much starting from scratch next season. At this moment a new manager could do whatever they want. Combine that summary wit Martin’s inane rambling about being proactive , europe being shut it rams home just what what a mess these two have created and how hopelessly I’ll prepared they are to solve it 14-1 relegation looking a very decent bet If we brought in a new manager/DoF now it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference with respect to the need to rebuild or the situation with the availability of overseas players. If anything sacking Neil and Martin now would increase our relegation odd, not improve them because sacking them won't make the slightest difference to the situation we are in. There's a difference between a god manager and a God Manager. They all lose the capitals after the first loss.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jun 1, 2023 13:37:14 GMT
Combine that summary wit Martin’s inane rambling about being proactive , europe being shut it rams home just what what a mess these two have created and how hopelessly I’ll prepared they are to solve it 14-1 relegation looking a very decent bet If we brought in a new manager/DoF now it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference with respect to the need to rebuild or the situation with the availability of overseas players. If anything sacking Neil and Martin now would increase our relegation odd, not improve them because sacking them won't make the slightest difference to the situation we are in. There's a difference between a god manager and a God Manager. They all lose the capitals after the first loss. 100% agree its their mess now and they heed to clear up my longng hekd view us he was a poor appointment so u still hold the the view his answer will be mid table obscurity at best but really fear worse as he's bitten off far more than he's ever dealt with
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Post by silsdenstokie on Jun 1, 2023 17:51:29 GMT
John Swift woukd do nicely if they end up having to sell off quickly
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Post by kjpt140v on Jun 1, 2023 19:26:47 GMT
Another crisis club?
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Post by lordb on Jun 1, 2023 19:38:30 GMT
Yes Another club in crisis like Derby were (are?) Never mind prospects on the pitch Albion fans can see extinction, worst case scenario sure but it's a worry
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Post by kjpt140v on Jun 1, 2023 19:40:39 GMT
Yes Another club in crisis like Derby were (are?) Never mind prospects on the pitch Albion fans can see extinction, worst case scenario sure but it's a worry Understood. Wigan?
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Post by lordb on Jun 1, 2023 19:42:15 GMT
Yes Another club in crisis like Derby were (are?) Never mind prospects on the pitch Albion fans can see extinction, worst case scenario sure but it's a worry Understood. Wigan? Yes another one Football finances are broken Ownership is often dodgy Independent regulator can't come quick enough
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 2, 2023 7:09:28 GMT
If we brought in a new manager/DoF now it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference with respect to the need to rebuild or the situation with the availability of overseas players. If anything sacking Neil and Martin now would increase our relegation odd, not improve them because sacking them won't make the slightest difference to the situation we are in. There's a difference between a god manager and a God Manager. They all lose the capitals after the first loss. 100% agree its their mess now and they heed to clear up my longng hekd view us he was a poor appointment so u still hold the the view his answer will be mid table obscurity at best but really fear worse as he's bitten off far more than he's ever dealt with That's the problem every manager we've had since relegation has had to deal with - the club has been in a bad place and every one of them has struggled just to keep us in this league. Blaming the current manager for the club being in a shit place and thinking the next one will be the solution is just batshit crazy. We have a god manager - we do not have a God Manager and the next one won't be it because they do not exist.
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Post by march4 on Jun 2, 2023 8:34:18 GMT
Yes another one Football finances are broken Ownership is often dodgy Independent regulator can't come quick enough And scrap FFP and transfer windows.
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Post by ashleyscfc on Jun 2, 2023 9:08:40 GMT
I love that the Coates family support and love the club, that their backing means we simply don’t have to worry about financial ruin, and that John Coates would provide whatever funds he could in an attempt to make us successful. I hate the mountain of mistakes they’ve made from their failure to say thankyou and goodbye to Hughes at the end of his 4th season onwards, and suspect that their oldschool “philosophy” of giving a manager free reigns and having no structure in place like modern successful clubs all do is a model that is dooming us to obscurity for the foreseeable future, and don’t have faith that they will ever deviate. These two paragraphs aren’t mutually exclusive. You can both love and savour the security that the family gives us, as well as being critical of their approach. This this and this again We all need to get to this conclusion, local, extremely wealthy, loyal owners who are fans. They are with us in success and failure and we should all be pleased for that, but understand they certainly arent faultless. We need to be using the supporters council, fan meetings etc to get things going in the right direction
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Post by LGH87 on Jun 2, 2023 10:21:16 GMT
Just had a quick glance through their squad and if they do end up having a fire sale, I could see us potentially moving for 2/3 of their players.
Of their squad, the following could all do a job for us imo:-
Asante Grant Wallace Swift Molumby Ajayi Kipre Furlong Townsend
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Post by UsAndThem on Jun 3, 2023 1:33:47 GMT
Ay up, here we go. A club in trouble and it means our owners are the best thing since sliced bread again. Nope. "My landlord's brilliant. He hasn't sorted out the mould problem in my bathroom which is affecting my health, but at least I haven't got an outside toilet like that bloke down the road" You never told your landlord about the cause of your health problem being the mould in your bathroom. You just said you were ill. So, because the landlord cares about his house and your family, he has chucked money out of his own pocket, a lot more than he needed to, to TRY and rectify the problem. He keeps trying and trying and doesn’t give up hope and abandon ship to sell the house he rents to you to cut his losses, leaving you and your family homeless. He just carries on trying to make your life better and trying to maintain the integrity of his property. Eventually, the root cause of your ill health will be realised and rectified by the landlord spending more money. Big, big changes have happened over the last 6 months with CEO’s, coaching staff and inside personal changes….. you go on like our owners hold some sort of malice towards the club and do it on purpose. They’re one of few owners not just financially invested in a club but also emotionally invested. Please suggest any other potential suitors that would act in the same manner. Go back 20 years and try and remember if you ever thought that we would be thrashing a Liverpool side captained by Gerrard, beating United, City and Chelsea in the premier league…. Getting to the FA cup final and then getting to the knock out stages of the europa league. Going back 20 years, I can’t think of many clubs that have achieved what we have from where we were to what we did…. Bar maybe Leicester. Maybe our achievements have spoilt some fans.
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Post by theonlooker on Jun 3, 2023 5:56:21 GMT
"My landlord's brilliant. He hasn't sorted out the mould problem in my bathroom which is affecting my health, but at least I haven't got an outside toilet like that bloke down the road" You never told your landlord about the cause of your health problem being the mould in your bathroom. You just said you were ill. So, because the landlord cares about his house and your family, he has chucked money out of his own pocket, a lot more than he needed to, to TRY and rectify the problem. He keeps trying and trying and doesn’t give up hope and abandon ship to sell the house he rents to you to cut his losses, leaving you and your family homeless. He just carries on trying to make your life better and trying to maintain the integrity of his property. Eventually, the root cause of your ill health will be realised and rectified by the landlord spending more money. Big, big changes have happened over the last 6 months with CEO’s, coaching staff and inside personal changes….. you go on like our owners hold some sort of malice towards the club and do it on purpose. They’re one of few owners not just financially invested in a club but also emotionally invested. Please suggest any other potential suitors that would act in the same manner. Go back 20 years and try and remember if you ever thought that we would be thrashing a Liverpool side captained by Gerrard, beating United, City and Chelsea in the premier league…. Getting to the FA cup final and then getting to the knock out stages of the europa league. Going back 20 years, I can’t think of many clubs that have achieved what we have from where we were to what we did…. Bar maybe Leicester. Maybe our achievements have spoilt some fans. There are numerous houses with a mould problem in my street and the other landlords have fixed the mould problem and their health issues have gone away. Lucky them. My landlord thinks my problems are due to a faulty boiler and has just fitted the fourth new boiler in 5 months. Each time he fits the best boiler money could buy but I wish he'd just fix the mould problem like the others. I know he means well and I appreciate the money he's spending but I just wish he'd spend a bit less money on the mould problem and sort out the real issue as a shiny new boiler each time isn't fixing the real issue. He's just been stopped by the council from spending more money on a new boiler because of some stupid financial rule but he assures me in a few months he can start spending on a new boiler again to hopefully this time fix the issue. Luckily for me though he hasn't increased my rent for the last 13 years and he pays for my bus travel into town, when I'm well enough to go out. My landlord is the richest landlord in the street, but sadly he's very misguided...
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 3, 2023 6:16:44 GMT
"My landlord's brilliant. He hasn't sorted out the mould problem in my bathroom which is affecting my health, but at least I haven't got an outside toilet like that bloke down the road" You never told your landlord about the cause of your health problem being the mould in your bathroom. You just said you were ill. So, because the landlord cares about his house and your family, he has chucked money out of his own pocket, a lot more than he needed to, to TRY and rectify the problem. He keeps trying and trying and doesn’t give up hope and abandon ship to sell the house he rents to you to cut his losses, leaving you and your family homeless. He just carries on trying to make your life better and trying to maintain the integrity of his property. Eventually, the root cause of your ill health will be realised and rectified by the landlord spending more money. Big, big changes have happened over the last 6 months with CEO’s, coaching staff and inside personal changes….. you go on like our owners hold some sort of malice towards the club and do it on purpose. They’re one of few owners not just financially invested in a club but also emotionally invested. Please suggest any other potential suitors that would act in the same manner. Go back 20 years and try and remember if you ever thought that we would be thrashing a Liverpool side captained by Gerrard, beating United, City and Chelsea in the premier league…. Getting to the FA cup final and then getting to the knock out stages of the europa league. Going back 20 years, I can’t think of many clubs that have achieved what we have from where we were to what we did…. Bar maybe Leicester. Maybe our achievements have spoilt some fans. Sorry that’s absolute nonsense, they can’t have all the credit for our success and none for our decline. Both are on them. Their decisions helped us to that golden era but their decisions and their lack of vision and their refusal to move with the times is why we are where we are now.
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Post by s7oke on Jun 3, 2023 6:43:33 GMT
West Brom. A proper, traditional football club with a rich history. Similar to us. Some great clashes against them. I personally take no pleasure in seeing any club in crisis. None at all. I agree totally But let’s be honest someone is going to pick at the bones of the club So why not us first player wise Unless we continue to monitor the situation And then it’s all gone
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Post by march4 on Jun 3, 2023 9:23:30 GMT
West Brom. A proper, traditional football club with a rich history. Similar to us. Some great clashes against them. I personally take no pleasure in seeing any club in crisis. None at all. I agree totally But let’s be honest someone is going to pick at the bones of the club So why not us first player wise Unless we continue to monitor the situation And then it’s all gone Derby and West Brom are our nearest neighbours of a comparable size. Looking at them both, it does make me wonder where we would be if there had been no Peter Coates when the Icelanders were looking to sell up.
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Post by redstriper on Jun 3, 2023 10:46:25 GMT
I've got a soft spot for them - proper club, decent fans. Same price as us to go up next year, 16-1 under achievers.
Hope they get sorted.
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Post by s7oke on Jun 3, 2023 14:32:22 GMT
I agree totally But let’s be honest someone is going to pick at the bones of the club So why not us first player wise Unless we continue to monitor the situation And then it’s all gone Derby and West Brom are our nearest neighbours of a comparable size. Looking at them both, it does make me wonder where we would be if there had been no Peter Coates when the Icelanders were looking to sell up. It’s scary to wonder I think we would be knackered
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Post by thevoid on Jun 3, 2023 16:16:22 GMT
"My landlord's brilliant. He hasn't sorted out the mould problem in my bathroom which is affecting my health, but at least I haven't got an outside toilet like that bloke down the road" You never told your landlord about the cause of your health problem being the mould in your bathroom. You just said you were ill. So, because the landlord cares about his house and your family, he has chucked money out of his own pocket, a lot more than he needed to, to TRY and rectify the problem. He keeps trying and trying and doesn’t give up hope and abandon ship to sell the house he rents to you to cut his losses, leaving you and your family homeless. He just carries on trying to make your life better and trying to maintain the integrity of his property. Eventually, the root cause of your ill health will be realised and rectified by the landlord spending more money. Big, big changes have happened over the last 6 months with CEO’s, coaching staff and inside personal changes….. you go on like our owners hold some sort of malice towards the club and do it on purpose. They’re one of few owners not just financially invested in a club but also emotionally invested. Please suggest any other potential suitors that would act in the same manner. Go back 20 years and try and remember if you ever thought that we would be thrashing a Liverpool side captained by Gerrard, beating United, City and Chelsea in the premier league…. Getting to the FA cup final and then getting to the knock out stages of the europa league. Going back 20 years, I can’t think of many clubs that have achieved what we have from where we were to what we did…. Bar maybe Leicester. Maybe our achievements have spoilt some fans. Couldn't be arsed reading all that bollocks, sorry fella. When I skimmed through to the end and saw that apparently only Leicester have outperformed us I've seen all I need to see.
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Post by skemstokie on Jun 3, 2023 19:33:15 GMT
I've got a soft spot for them - proper club, decent fans. Same price as us to go up next year, 16-1 under achievers. Hope they get sorted. I live in Lancashire and living 30 metres away is a baggie fan,lovely family and nice neighbours,hope they get sorted.
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Post by eddyclamp on Jun 6, 2023 16:57:12 GMT
Speaking to a baggies season ticket holder who is not renewing due to issues at the club. He told me someone on the board borrowed £50m against the ground and training ground and the money has disappeared somewhere. He fully expects administration in the near future.
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Post by bolders on Jun 6, 2023 17:38:02 GMT
Speaking to a baggies season ticket holder who is not renewing due to issues at the club. He told me someone on the board borrowed £50m against the ground and training ground and the money has disappeared somewhere. He fully expects administration in the near future. Thought the owner borrowed £5m and not paying them back?
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Post by independent on Jun 6, 2023 17:44:09 GMT
not sure about the amount, i thought it was 100m with a payment of 19.5m due each year to the same people who made loans to Derby. Yes, the owner is also refusing to pay back his 5m loan.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 6, 2023 17:49:58 GMT
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Post by lordb on Jun 6, 2023 17:53:09 GMT
Really scary stuff the owners have clearly come on to bleed the club and then do one
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Post by maninasuitcase on Jun 6, 2023 18:12:07 GMT
38 questions
1. Wheres the money 2. Wheres the money 3. Wheres the money . . . . 38. Wheres the money
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