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Post by independent on May 27, 2023 11:04:04 GMT
If we were spending anything north of £15m I would personally expect one or two of our only sellable assets to leave - Tymon & Ty. To go out and spend 25+ would surely set us on a course to potentially breach FFP again in a few years time? Leaving us with little to no wriggle room for future windows. Unless the plan is to gamble on winning promotion this season, which, given our recent history, seems unwise. 15m Souttar money spent would not affect our FFP. With Powell wages circa 25k plus a lot of others to redistribute we shouldn't be in trouble over wages. If we spent another 5m on players this would amount to 1.7m a year over a 3 year contract for FPP purposes and would surely be manageable. Remember we are allowed losses of 13m a year, or 39m over a 3 year period. Even if our losses were high for the last 2 years surely we could afford 1.7m. Next season we would have last years losses + this years 1,7m and that should give us a lot of wriggle room for future windows. People don't seem to understand what a good position MON left us in. Of course he meant to benefit from it himself but he fixed our financial situation in just 2.5 years. We would not be gambling on promotion. The money wasted,mainly by Rowett was only the icing on the cake. The real problem was the high wage and long term contracts that we were committed to, that we simply could not afford. We were a basket case and we are in a much much better place now than we were when Rowett spent badly. |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on May 27, 2023 13:15:00 GMT
Why did the board say we have a decent amount to spend this summer,clubs will now be asking more for any player we are interested in.
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Post by Gary Hackett on May 27, 2023 14:31:25 GMT
Why did the board say we have a decent amount to spend this summer,clubs will now be asking more for any player we are interested in. It's irrelevant as agents know what's going on, it's their job to! |
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Post by independent on May 27, 2023 15:57:02 GMT
They didn't say that they would overpay for players.
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Post by musik on May 27, 2023 16:45:51 GMT
How much are they allowed to spend, regarding financial rules and all that?
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Post by PotteringThrough on May 27, 2023 22:21:29 GMT
£25m plus - f*ck it, it’s only money…
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Post by sealion100 on May 28, 2023 5:59:59 GMT
Allowed to spend up to £39 million over the next 3 years....... plus any money generated from sales (£15 million Soutter).....PS , this includes wages
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Post by iamstokie on May 28, 2023 6:44:27 GMT
Why do most people think there's going to be less than ten million spent given everything that's been said? Not sure what people are thinking? I expect there is the Souttar money plus we should be willing to go over the annual 13 million loss allowance for this year given we have a whole squad to buy. 25-30 million easy but don't think we'll give anyone a big transfer fee over 5 million. I can see a few million on Pearson, another few on a striker. Another few on a keeper. Because you’ve got take into account wages , signing on fees , agent fees , some of the souttar money went towards ffp so that’s gone also |
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Post by Glasgowstokie on May 28, 2023 14:12:51 GMT
Why do most people think there's going to be less than ten million spent given everything that's been said? Not sure what people are thinking? I expect there is the Souttar money plus we should be willing to go over the annual 13 million loss allowance for this year given we have a whole squad to buy. 25-30 million easy but don't think we'll give anyone a big transfer fee over 5 million. I can see a few million on Pearson, another few on a striker. Another few on a keeper. Because you’ve got take into account wages , signing on fees , agent fees , some of the souttar money went towards ffp so that’s gone also Yes, taking into account those things, signing on fees etc would be included in the overall amount, I expect to be 25-30 million given what has been said. Nothing compared to the 50-60 million we spent in our first season down mind |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on May 28, 2023 14:30:02 GMT
Feels important to remember the 39 million loss limit is part of a rolling window, not one that start over in 3 year segments.
Just because we avoided a points deduction, it just means we were under the loss limit of 39 million for last year’s assessment point, it doesn’t mean we start over at 0 for this years transfer window.
So whilst its an average of 13 million loss over 3 years we are probably starting on a minus value to start with. No stadium sale to bail us out this time either.
Swiss Ramble had us at -50 million prior to the Souttar sale so that certainly pulled us within the limit but still miles away from 0 and the full allowance.
20/21 was a huge ffp loss year, I wouldn’t be surprised if there was a significant push when that drops out of the accounting window.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 28, 2023 16:45:13 GMT
They didn't say that they would overpay for players. What they said guaranteed it would happen. It was a bit silly. |
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Post by stokecitytalke on May 28, 2023 17:32:49 GMT
Why do most people think there's going to be less than ten million spent given everything that's been said? Not sure what people are thinking? I expect there is the Souttar money plus we should be willing to go over the annual 13 million loss allowance for this year given we have a whole squad to buy. 25-30 million easy but don't think we'll give anyone a big transfer fee over 5 million. I can see a few million on Pearson, another few on a striker. Another few on a keeper. Because you’ve got take into account wages , signing on fees , agent fees , some of the souttar money went towards ffp so that’s gone also When we sold Bursik that meant we were OK for FFP, all 15m of the Souter will be available. |
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Post by independent on May 28, 2023 18:02:23 GMT
They didn't say that they would overpay for players. What they said guaranteed it would happen. It was a bit silly. They can always say no if they are asked to overpay. It is going to be a buyer's market. There are a lot of players, who are going to be hawked around by agents, who won't get fixed up with a club. I think that you will see some sanity return to thetransfer market this year. |
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Post by whatsashig on May 28, 2023 18:17:43 GMT
Are we indulging in a computer game simulation just for stoke fans made by stoke fans. Really it’s not how much you spend it’s building a team (not group , fuck that) getting players that want play for you and believe in you, almost like ‘buying’ perfect Christmas present it isn’t how much it’s what it’s worth for meaning. We can’t be man c, even Man U can’t be man c any more. In my supporting time of scfc Lou and pulis did this, cante Blanche throwing money only works at the top and then it ain’t guaranteed- Chelsea. Just a team that wants and shows some commitment to a team, yeah I’m rabbiting on
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Post by FullerMagic on May 29, 2023 7:58:16 GMT
So 20% think we'll spend around £15m
60% think it'll be less than that.
And the other 20% think it'll be more.
Interesting spread of opinion, which pretty much suggests we've got no idea!
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Post by Glasgowstokie on May 29, 2023 8:09:05 GMT
Sarkic, 2 million plus add ons.
Pearson - 3 million
Emil Riis -3 million
Ogbene -signing on fee
Fisher -free
Johnson -free
That's 6 players we are definitely strongly in for and that in itself will take us over 10 million no problems, so I'm not sure why so many think we will be spending less than 15 million. We have no choice but to spend more
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on May 29, 2023 9:48:32 GMT
Think we could spend up to £30m. AN was promised money for the next transfer window. Dortmund have a striker who they want to loan out. Apparently he's 23 and we've already had discussions.
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Post by GeneralFaye on May 29, 2023 9:50:20 GMT
I'd be staggered if we splashed the cash this summer. Maybe we will in terms of wages because we need to do that to attract players.
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Post by lordb on May 29, 2023 10:49:01 GMT
Think we could spend up to £30m. AN was promised money for the next transfer window. Dortmund have a striker who they want to loan out. Apparently he's 23 and we've already had discussions. The only one I can see who fits that is Cyrill Akono Stats not impressive |
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on May 29, 2023 11:44:26 GMT
Think we could spend up to £30m. AN was promised money for the next transfer window. Dortmund have a striker who they want to loan out. Apparently he's 23 and we've already had discussions. The only one I can see who fits that is Cyrill Akono Stats not impressive No idea mate. Not that familiar with Dortmund |
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Post by lordb on May 29, 2023 11:46:52 GMT
The only one I can see who fits that is Cyrill Akono Stats not impressive No idea mate. Not that familiar with Dortmund Me neither just googled them They have other young strikers but he was the only 23 year old |
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Post by stokiepmre89 (Tom) on May 29, 2023 12:23:50 GMT
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on May 29, 2023 13:57:35 GMT
Not more than £20M I guess, but we will be able to offer decent contracts in this division I believe.  There’s no way they’re giving Neil 20 million to piss up the wall. Give him a fraction and see if it improves us, then maybe a bit more in January for a title push😉 How does that make any sense? We either back him or get rid -keeping him and not backing him is the worst thing we could possibly do. |
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on May 29, 2023 14:12:45 GMT
How much I wonder will Tyrese raise hen he’s sold to Everton?
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Post by johnnysoul60 on May 29, 2023 15:20:52 GMT
Around about 15M I reckon. Lots of cheap freebies, we'll max out our loans and can see maybe 4/5 players at 2-3M. If were going to do that we need to shop abroad, the British market is ridiculously inflated for average players I agree with you , just got no confidence in the club having any proper system in place for spotting players , takes a hell of a lot of work to get it right like Brentford and Brighton have , most get it wrong and our recruitment has been piss poor since Berahino overall about 20% of players have been decent and given the number needed this summer if we cant make that 60% we are heading for league one |
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Post by philb on May 30, 2023 8:22:56 GMT
How much I wonder will Tyrese raise hen he’s sold to Everton? I’d be very surprised if they came in for him now they’ve stayed up. They need some proven players to get them out the current malaise they’re in, otherwise they’ll be in the shit again next season. They need to spend wisely as well as they haven’t got a lot to spend. Campbell would be a huge gamble. |
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Post by hoppo96 on May 30, 2023 10:24:36 GMT
the idea that we have £20m+ to spend this window is nonsense and people need to get quickly into the real world if they believe that. FFP is a serious problem, we can't just ignore it because we don't like the rules.
Of course, it wouldn't be such a big problem if our recruitment, data, etc stuff was up to scratch.
We are only going to get where we want to be (i.e. promotion or at least contending) through canny recruitment, finding bargains, being able to sell on players, good management (do we have one?), proper fitness levels, a club culture that is positive and forward thinking etc. Looking for easy answers, talking about graft or passion, trying to spend our way out of trouble, looking for the mythical 20-goal-a-season striker won't work anymore. We've had five years of evidence to prove this.
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Post by matelot1996 on May 30, 2023 21:42:04 GMT
We got promoted to the Prem last time with Loanees on decent wages. Can see us getting 5 or 6 on Loan but not big wages this time. £5-7 Million Max on 2 other “drifters.” I have little excitement or optimism for the forthcoming transfer window.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on May 31, 2023 10:51:00 GMT
However much money we have to spend, I can't see us spending it all in one window, it could be spread over a few windows.
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