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Post by march4 on Apr 7, 2023 10:52:14 GMT
So, after our two victories over the Easter weekend, we had moved 4 points above the relegation zone.
We now faced another two game week.
First of all we faced Ipswich in 4th place. A tricky home game but we were playing well. As usual Ipswich were a dour, physical team. Folk remember Leeds’ antics from this era but Ipswich weren’t much better. However, we took an early lead through Big John and with some resolute defending we managed to hang on. This was an impressive win and you could see the confidence returning to the players.
Thats’s 3 wins on the bounce, could we make it 4 away to mid-table Chelsea? Our opponents started brightly and took the lead through a young lad making his debut (Ord I think), but Greenhoff equalised straight from the restart and we never looked back. We controlled the game scoring two more goals courtesy of Big John and Sean Haslegrave.
These 4 wins moved us to 33 points, mid-table security and 7 points above the relegation zone. Well done Waddo! Bringing back Eastham transformed the team and now we were seeing the points our play deserved.
There was one other game which occupied the minds of Stokies 50 years ago. It was FA Cup semi-final day and Arsenal were there again for the 3rd year running. Twice they had beaten us in previous years and this time they had avoided Leeds and Wolves and had drawn a Sunderland team languishing in the lower half of Division 2. Much to our frustration, Sunderland did at Hillsborough what we had failed to do and hung on after taking an early 2-0 lead. Charlie George did get one back for Arsenal but there were no injury time shenanigans leading to a penalty equaliser.
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Post by carruthers1on1 on Apr 7, 2023 10:58:48 GMT
So, after our two victories over the Easter weekend, we had moved 4 points above the relegation zone. We now faced another two game week. First of all we faced Ipswich in 4th place. A tricky home game but we were playing well. As usual Ipswich were a dour, physical team. Folk remember Leeds’ antics from this era but Ipswich weren’t much better. However, we took an early lead through Big John and with some resolute defending we managed to hang on. This was an impressive win and you could see the confidence returning to the players. Thats’s 3 wins on the bounce, could we make it 4 away to mid-table Chelsea? Our opponents started brightly and took the lead through a young lad making his debut (Ord I think), but Greenhoff equalised straight from the restart and we never looked back. We controlled the game scoring two more goals courtesy of Big John and Sean Haslegrave. These 4 wins moved us to 33 points, mid-table security and 7 points above the relegation zone. Well done Waddo! Bringing back Eastham transformed the team and now we were seeing the points our play deserved. There was one other game which occupied the minds of Stokies 50 years ago. It was FA Cup semi-final day and Arsenal were there again for the 3rd year running. Twice they had beaten us in previous years and this time they had avoided Leeds and Wolves and had drawn a Sunderland team languishing in the lower half of Division 2. Much to our frustration, Sunderland did at Hillsborough what we had failed to do and hung on after taking an early 2-0 lead. Charlie George did get one back for Arsenal but there were no injury time shenanigans leading to a penalty equaliser. Thanks for the thread March, it's a fantastic read. Just out of interest are you doing this from memory? I can barely remember last season (for good reason you might say!). |
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Post by march4 on Apr 7, 2023 11:13:11 GMT
So, after our two victories over the Easter weekend, we had moved 4 points above the relegation zone. We now faced another two game week. First of all we faced Ipswich in 4th place. A tricky home game but we were playing well. As usual Ipswich were a dour, physical team. Folk remember Leeds’ antics from this era but Ipswich weren’t much better. However, we took an early lead through Big John and with some resolute defending we managed to hang on. This was an impressive win and you could see the confidence returning to the players. Thats’s 3 wins on the bounce, could we make it 4 away to mid-table Chelsea? Our opponents started brightly and took the lead through a young lad making his debut (Ord I think), but Greenhoff equalised straight from the restart and we never looked back. We controlled the game scoring two more goals courtesy of Big John and Sean Haslegrave. These 4 wins moved us to 33 points, mid-table security and 7 points above the relegation zone. Well done Waddo! Bringing back Eastham transformed the team and now we were seeing the points our play deserved. There was one other game which occupied the minds of Stokies 50 years ago. It was FA Cup semi-final day and Arsenal were there again for the 3rd year running. Twice they had beaten us in previous years and this time they had avoided Leeds and Wolves and had drawn a Sunderland team languishing in the lower half of Division 2. Much to our frustration, Sunderland did at Hillsborough what we had failed to do and hung on after taking an early 2-0 lead. Charlie George did get one back for Arsenal but there were no injury time shenanigans leading to a penalty equaliser. Thanks for the thread March, it's a fantastic read. Just out of interest are you doing this from memory? I can barely remember last season (for good reason you might say!). Half and half. I can’t remember the exact league tables and look them up and I sometimes check our scorers, but I can remember how the games went and the mood of our support. I certainly can’t remember anything about the reigns of Lambert, Rowett, Jones and O’Neill. |
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Post by Veritas on Apr 7, 2023 11:45:41 GMT
Thanks for the thread March, it's a fantastic read. Just out of interest are you doing this from memory? I can barely remember last season (for good reason you might say!). Half and half. I can’t remember the exact league tables and look them up and I sometimes check our scorers, but I can remember how the games went and the mood of our support. I certainly can’t remember anything about the reigns of Lambert, Rowett, Jones and O’Neill. Can't or choose not to! |
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Post by march4 on Apr 7, 2023 12:41:47 GMT
Half and half. I can’t remember the exact league tables and look them up and I sometimes check our scorers, but I can remember how the games went and the mood of our support. I certainly can’t remember anything about the reigns of Lambert, Rowett, Jones and O’Neill. Can't or choose not to! Our brains can sometimes protect us from traumatic events. |
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Apr 8, 2023 4:11:47 GMT
Our brains can sometimes protect us from traumatic events. 😂😂😂 No one tell March Mama retired, yes March he's still on international duty with Mali! 😉 |
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Post by march4 on Apr 8, 2023 9:26:21 GMT
Our brains can sometimes protect us from traumatic events. 😂😂😂 No one tell March Mama retired, yes March he's still on international duty with Mali! 😉 Like Stan he will be returning to lead us to promotion. |
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Post by march4 on Apr 14, 2023 15:04:15 GMT
50 years ago today, the world’s media including Star Soccer and Hugh Johns were at the Victoria Ground to witness Bobby Charlton’s 600th game for ManU. Jimmy Greenhoff presented the England legend with a commemorative plaque before kick off. Our biggest crowd of the season (36,000+) were in attendance to see an exciting game between rejuvenated Stoke who had won the 4 previous games and the Red Devils who were still haunted by relegation. George Best had been suspended and transfer listed by Tommy Docherty for going AWOL.
Stoke started well and in spite of attack after attack all prompted by the impressive George Eastham, went into the half time break goalless. The second half started in similar fashion and then inevitability the visitors scored a goal in the 65th minute against the run of a play. The goal scorer? - a certain Lou Macari. His shot was deflected past John Farmer by Alan Bloor.
Stoke redoubled their efforts and earned a deserved equaliser 10 minutes later. Pej hit a speculative shot that Alex Stepney inexplicably spilled into the path of Jimmy Greenhoff who made no mistake. Stoke continued to press for a winner and Eastham sent Big John clear with a beautiful through ball in the 82nd minute. 2-1 to Stoke.
Surely we had done enough for victory in a game we had controlled against a poor United team. However, Willie Morgan stabbed home controversially after a scramble to make the final score 2-2. Farmer chased after the referee in vain claiming the winger had handled the ball.
The point pretty much made us mathematically safe from relegation and also eased ManU’s worries. The game was sadly marred by violence before, during and afterwards. Dozens of businesses in Stoke were smashed up and police injured by flying bottles. 2 cars were overturned. Nearly 40 fans were arrested, three quarters of them from Stoke. Train carriages were also wrecked on the way back to Manchester.
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Post by J-Roar on Apr 14, 2023 15:39:51 GMT
50 years ago today, the world’s media including Star Soccer and Hugh Johns were at the Victoria Ground to witness Bobby Charlton’s 600th game for ManU. Jimmy Greenhoff presented the England legend with a commemorative plaque before kick off. Our biggest crowd of the season (36,000+) were in attendance to see an exciting game between rejuvenated Stoke who had won the 4 previous games and the Red Devils who were still haunted by relegation. George Best had been suspended and transfer listed by Tommy Docherty for going AWOL. Stoke started well and in spite of attack after attack all prompted by the impressive George Eastham, went into the half time break goalless. The second half started in similar fashion and then inevitability the visitors scored a goal in the 65th minute against the run of a play. The goal scorer? - a certain Lou Macari. His shot was deflected past John Farmer by Alan Bloor. Stoke redoubled their efforts and earned a deserved equaliser 10 minutes later. Pej hit a speculative shot that Alex Stepney inexplicably spilled into the path of Jimmy Greenhoff who made no mistake. Stoke continued to press for a winner and Eastham sent Big John clear with a beautiful through ball in the 82nd minute. 2-1 to Stoke. Surely we had done enough for victory in a game we had controlled against a poor United team. However, Willie Morgan stabbed home controversially after a scramble to make the final score 2-2. Farmer chased after the referee in vain claiming the winger had handled the ball. The point pretty much made us mathematically safe from relegation and also eased ManU’s worries. The game was sadly marred by violence before, during and afterwards. Dozens of businesses in Stoke were smashed up and police injured by flying bottles. 2 cars were overturned. Nearly 40 fans were arrested, three quarters of them from Stoke. Train carriages were also wrecked on the way back to Manchester. Ah, the good old days. Cheers for the on and off field reports |
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Post by march4 on Apr 21, 2023 12:10:12 GMT
50 years ago today, we played away at St Andrews against a Birmingham team one point above us. A crowd of 33,000 turned up for what was effectively an end of season dead rubber.
Birmingham started brightly and raced into a 2-0 first half lead through Malcolm Page and a young Trevor Francis. Bob Hatton made it 3-0 before Robertson hit a late consolation goal.
The result dropped us to 4th from bottom but with only a couple of games left, we were safe for another season.
The weekend’s headlines were dominated by serious crowd trouble at Newcastle where Liverpool were the visitors. A brace from John Tudor gave the home team victory to reduce Liverpool’s lead at the top of the table.
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Post by PotterLog on Apr 22, 2023 2:31:52 GMT
Great stuff march, keep it up.
I feel like ‘73 was early for “crowd trouble” In the sense we understand it now?
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Apr 22, 2023 3:58:28 GMT
Great stuff march, keep it up. I feel like ‘73 was early for “crowd trouble” In the sense we understand it now? There was an edge most games in the seventies, opponents were evaluated by how many they would bring! Only Norwich was a relaxing day, from memory. Strangely, I remember one game Derby only brought what looked like around 50 looking at the Stoke End from the Boothen! Some, quite a few, games there were away fans in the Boothen until the men came in later, there'd be a commotion and the police would then march then around the pitch to the Stoke End to much derision! 😂 Then at full time shenanigans would begin up to the station or on the car park if they'd brought many coaches! It really was an experience being teenager then, '74 onwards, not that I ever was involved but it was unavoidable sometimes! 😇 Very different times! |
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Apr 24, 2023 9:24:34 GMT
50 years ago today, the world’s media including Star Soccer and Hugh Johns were at the Victoria Ground to witness Bobby Charlton’s 600th game for ManU. Jimmy Greenhoff presented the England legend with a commemorative plaque before kick off. Our biggest crowd of the season (36,000+) were in attendance to see an exciting game between rejuvenated Stoke who had won the 4 previous games and the Red Devils who were still haunted by relegation. George Best had been suspended and transfer listed by Tommy Docherty for going AWOL. Stoke started well and in spite of attack after attack all prompted by the impressive George Eastham, went into the half time break goalless. The second half started in similar fashion and then inevitability the visitors scored a goal in the 65th minute against the run of a play. The goal scorer? - a certain Lou Macari. His shot was deflected past John Farmer by Alan Bloor. Stoke redoubled their efforts and earned a deserved equaliser 10 minutes later. Pej hit a speculative shot that Alex Stepney inexplicably spilled into the path of Jimmy Greenhoff who made no mistake. Stoke continued to press for a winner and Eastham sent Big John clear with a beautiful through ball in the 82nd minute. 2-1 to Stoke. Surely we had done enough for victory in a game we had controlled against a poor United team. However, Willie Morgan stabbed home controversially after a scramble to make the final score 2-2. Farmer chased after the referee in vain claiming the winger had handled the ball. The point pretty much made us mathematically safe from relegation and also eased ManU’s worries. The game was sadly marred by violence before, during and afterwards. Dozens of businesses in Stoke were smashed up and police injured by flying bottles. 2 cars were overturned. Nearly 40 fans were arrested, three quarters of them from Stoke. Train carriages were also wrecked on the way back to Manchester. That was the first match I went to. Would have been 8 the week before. Strangely, I went with a friend of one of our neighbours - who happened to be something like the Chief Constable. I remember the traffic cops waving his car through as we drove away. Can't remember much about the game. I knew it was 2-2, but maybe only because I had checked. For some reason, I always thought it was 1972 as well. The only thing that really sticks in my mind was Bobby Charlton's hair. That comb over seemed to fly about a yard behind him like a kite. Strange to think that team fighting relegation should have won the league 2 years later. What a difference a certain Alan Hudson made... |
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Post by ihaveadream on Apr 24, 2023 11:47:21 GMT
50 years ago today, the world’s media including Star Soccer and Hugh Johns were at the Victoria Ground to witness Bobby Charlton’s 600th game for ManU. Jimmy Greenhoff presented the England legend with a commemorative plaque before kick off. Our biggest crowd of the season (36,000+) were in attendance to see an exciting game between rejuvenated Stoke who had won the 4 previous games and the Red Devils who were still haunted by relegation. George Best had been suspended and transfer listed by Tommy Docherty for going AWOL. Stoke started well and in spite of attack after attack all prompted by the impressive George Eastham, went into the half time break goalless. The second half started in similar fashion and then inevitability the visitors scored a goal in the 65th minute against the run of a play. The goal scorer? - a certain Lou Macari. His shot was deflected past John Farmer by Alan Bloor. Stoke redoubled their efforts and earned a deserved equaliser 10 minutes later. Pej hit a speculative shot that Alex Stepney inexplicably spilled into the path of Jimmy Greenhoff who made no mistake. Stoke continued to press for a winner and Eastham sent Big John clear with a beautiful through ball in the 82nd minute. 2-1 to Stoke. Surely we had done enough for victory in a game we had controlled against a poor United team. However, Willie Morgan stabbed home controversially after a scramble to make the final score 2-2. Farmer chased after the referee in vain claiming the winger had handled the ball. The point pretty much made us mathematically safe from relegation and also eased ManU’s worries. The game was sadly marred by violence before, during and afterwards. Dozens of businesses in Stoke were smashed up and police injured by flying bottles. 2 cars were overturned. Nearly 40 fans were arrested, three quarters of them from Stoke. Train carriages were also wrecked on the way back to Manchester. In those days it wasnt suprising that people, especially those who had children with them, left early. |
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Post by march4 on Apr 28, 2023 8:48:17 GMT
50 years ago today, the season ended for Stoke with two home games in a week.
We were already safe from relegation after a George Eastham inspired run of victories.
First up came 5th placed Wolves who we easily disposed of 2-0 with the goals coming from Jimmy Robertson on the half hour and Jimmy Greenhoff in the closing minutes.
Then on the Saturday, relegation threatened Norwich were the visitors. However, Stoke were bang on form and a goal in each half courtesy of Ritchie and Greenhoff saw us to an easy 2-0 win.
After languishing so near to the bottom of the table, we had won 6 and drew 1 of the final 8 games. This had catapulted us into lower mid-table and some respectability.
Were fans optimistic? - some, yes but others were worried that we were a completely different team with George Eastham and he wasn’t going to play for ever. Overall a disappointing season after one of the biggest signings in the club’s history that of Geoff Hurst didn’t really work and we had sold a record value of season tickets. Fighting relegation was not really the plan.
Elsewhere, Liverpool clinched the title, Bobby Charlton retired and Crewe had to apply for re-election. Oh and Vale’s brave fight for promotion ended in humiliating failure after they lost 5-0 at Wrexham.
One thing younger fans will find strange is that with the season over, the players did not get a break. Instead they went on to play 10 friendly games mostly in Australia and New Zealand before beginning the close season. Times really have changed.
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Post by dirtclod on Apr 28, 2023 15:01:59 GMT
A well-written documentary which I enjoy reading - thanks March.
Love that it's spurring memories from others who fill in with additional "colour" and personal perspective too.
Somebody call Netflix.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Apr 28, 2023 15:30:08 GMT
One thing younger fans will find strange is that with the season over, the players did not get a break. Instead they went on to play 10 friendly games mostly in Australia and New Zealand before beginning the close season. Times really have changed. Were players still paid different rates summer/winter by then? For a so called unfashionable team we didn't half do a lot of gallivanting around! I guess they kept the finances ticking over! |
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Post by march4 on Apr 28, 2023 17:18:41 GMT
Persepolis A 1–1
Western Australia A 3–0
Southern Australia A 2–2
New South Wales A 3–1
Auckland A 1–3
Wellington A 5–1
Christchurch A 4–2
Otago A 8–1
New Caledonia A 1–0
Tahiti A 3–1
According to Wikipedia these were the fixtures and results.
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Post by AlliG on Apr 29, 2023 10:49:28 GMT
Persepolis A 1–1 Western Australia A 3–0 Southern Australia A 2–2 New South Wales A 3–1 Auckland A 1–3 Wellington A 5–1 Christchurch A 4–2 Otago A 8–1 New Caledonia A 1–0 Tahiti A 3–1 According to Wikipedia these were the fixtures and results. Wasn't Otago the game where the big fella scored all 8? |
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Post by march4 on Apr 29, 2023 20:31:33 GMT
Persepolis A 1–1 Western Australia A 3–0 Southern Australia A 2–2 New South Wales A 3–1 Auckland A 1–3 Wellington A 5–1 Christchurch A 4–2 Otago A 8–1 New Caledonia A 1–0 Tahiti A 3–1 According to Wikipedia these were the fixtures and results. Wasn't Otago the game where the big fella scored all 8? Not sure. Anyone? |
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Post by march4 on May 5, 2023 8:10:39 GMT
50 years ago, Sunderland did what we had failed to do and won the cup beating Leeds 1-0 in the final. So galling after our two semi- final nightmares in the previous seasons.
At Stoke, the retirements of Harry Burrows and Peter Dobing were confirmed. Dobing had made 8 starts in his final season with a few subs appearances. Burrows made just the two subs appearances.
Both had served the club with great distinction. Burrows with his left footed rocket shot had joined in 1965 and made 245 appearances scoring 68 goals. He was a complete forward who could operate anywhere across the front but his pace often saw him start on the left wing. Dobing had joined in 1963, making 307 appearances, scoring 82 goals - many of them vital ones including the hat trick that kept us up against Leeds in 1968 and the first leg goal against West Ham in the League Cup semifinal. Dobing was signed as a forward but as his career progressed he moved back into midfield. He was a quiet thoughtful man who suffered as the boo boy early at his time at Stoke. However, he was well respected by the other players and became captain. To date he is the only Stoke player to lift major silverware for the club. Dobing also had a nasty streak on the pitch - in those days you had to be able to look after yourself and Pierre could certainly do that.
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Post by AlliG on May 5, 2023 10:49:21 GMT
50 years ago, Sunderland did what we had failed to do and won the cup beating Leeds 1-0 in the final. So galling after our two semi- final nightmares in the previous seasons. At Stoke, the retirements of Harry Burrows and Peter Dobing were confirmed. Dobing had made 8 starts in his final season with a few subs appearances. Burrows made just the two subs appearances. Both had served the club with great distinction. Burrows with his left footed rocket shot had joined in 1965 and made 245 appearances scoring 68 goals. He was a complete forward who could operate anywhere across the front but his pace often saw him start on the left wing. Dobing had joined in 1963, making 307 appearances, scoring 82 goals - many of them vital ones including the hat trick that kept us up against Leeds in 1968 and the first leg goal against West Ham in the League Cup semifinal. Dobing was signed as a forward but as his career progressed he moved back into midfield. He was a quiet thoughtful man who suffered as the boo boy early at his time at Stoke. However, he was well respected by the other players and became captain. To date he is the only Stoke player to lift major silverware for the club. Dobing also had a nasty streak on the pitch - in those days you had to be able to look after yourself and Pierre could certainly do that. I can remember spending many happy hours arguing with our scoutleader about the merits (or otherwise) of Peter Dobing. It's probably a good job that the internet wasn't around then. Poor old bayern would have had a complete meltdown.  |
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Post by march4 on May 5, 2023 11:58:51 GMT
50 years ago, Sunderland did what we had failed to do and won the cup beating Leeds 1-0 in the final. So galling after our two semi- final nightmares in the previous seasons. At Stoke, the retirements of Harry Burrows and Peter Dobing were confirmed. Dobing had made 8 starts in his final season with a few subs appearances. Burrows made just the two subs appearances. Both had served the club with great distinction. Burrows with his left footed rocket shot had joined in 1965 and made 245 appearances scoring 68 goals. He was a complete forward who could operate anywhere across the front but his pace often saw him start on the left wing. Dobing had joined in 1963, making 307 appearances, scoring 82 goals - many of them vital ones including the hat trick that kept us up against Leeds in 1968 and the first leg goal against West Ham in the League Cup semifinal. Dobing was signed as a forward but as his career progressed he moved back into midfield. He was a quiet thoughtful man who suffered as the boo boy early at his time at Stoke. However, he was well respected by the other players and became captain. To date he is the only Stoke player to lift major silverware for the club. Dobing also had a nasty streak on the pitch - in those days you had to be able to look after yourself and Pierre could certainly do that. I can remember spending many happy hours arguing with our scoutleader about the merits (or otherwise) of Peter Dobing. It's probably a good job that the internet wasn't around then. Poor old bayern would have had a complete meltdown. We’ve always had boo boys - I’ve never understood it. I wonder if it is the same at all clubs. |
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Post by Veritas on May 5, 2023 13:54:15 GMT
I can remember spending many happy hours arguing with our scoutleader about the merits (or otherwise) of Peter Dobing. It's probably a good job that the internet wasn't around then. Poor old bayern would have had a complete meltdown. We’ve always had boo boys - I’ve never understood it. I wonder if it is the same at all clubs. Burrows also on occasions fell foul of the boo boys, I was around 10 at the time and struggled to understand why our fans were booing one of our players. My dad's explanation of "they are just idiots" is as valid now as it was then. |
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Post by march4 on May 12, 2023 8:19:52 GMT
50 years ago today, the season came to its traditional end with the Home International against Scotland. England ran out 1-0 winners through Martin Peters but the star of the show was Peter Shilton who was vying to be the successor to Gordon Banks in the England goal.
Perhaps I am getting old but wasn’t it better when the domestic season finished one week, the cup final was played the following week and another week on England played Scotland. In this modern age of playoffs, they could take place after the Scotland game.
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Post by ihaveadream on May 12, 2023 12:07:08 GMT
50 years ago today, the season came to its traditional end with the Home International against Scotland. England ran out 1-0 winners through Martin Peters but the star of the show was Peter Shilton who was vying to be the successor to Gordon Banks in the England goal. Perhaps I am getting old but wasn’t it better when the domestic season finished one week, the cup final was played the following week and another week on England played Scotland. In this modern age of playoffs, they could take place after the Scotland game. Yes it was |
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Post by Veritas on May 12, 2023 14:18:24 GMT
50 years ago today, the season came to its traditional end with the Home International against Scotland. England ran out 1-0 winners through Martin Peters but the star of the show was Peter Shilton who was vying to be the successor to Gordon Banks in the England goal. Perhaps I am getting old but wasn’t it better when the domestic season finished one week, the cup final was played the following week and another week on England played Scotland. In this modern age of playoffs, they could take place after the Scotland game. Yes to the league ending then the FA Cup final the week after but no to the home internationals they were mostly crap, excepting 1975 when Gerry Francis inspired a 5-1 rout of Scotland and 1978 when Ally's tartan army flopped especially with Willie Donachie's last minute og v Wales. |
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Post by march4 on May 12, 2023 14:38:47 GMT
50 years ago today, the season came to its traditional end with the Home International against Scotland. England ran out 1-0 winners through Martin Peters but the star of the show was Peter Shilton who was vying to be the successor to Gordon Banks in the England goal. Perhaps I am getting old but wasn’t it better when the domestic season finished one week, the cup final was played the following week and another week on England played Scotland. In this modern age of playoffs, they could take place after the Scotland game. Yes to the league ending then the FA Cup final the week after but no to the home internationals they were mostly crap, excepting 1975 when Gerry Francis inspired a 5-1 rout of Scotland and 1978 when Ally's tartan army flopped especially with Willie Donachie's last minute og v Wales. I’m used to enjoy the England vs Scotland games. They were always broadcast live on both BBC and ITV. I wonder if it’s a coincidence that Scottish football has declined since the matches were discontinued. |
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Post by march4 on May 26, 2023 8:06:22 GMT
Is Wembley being overused and consequently losing its magic?
In the 70’s these were the total English club appearances;-
9 Liverpool
5 Arsenal
4 Leeds, Man Utd
3 Aston Villa, Man City, Forest, Southampton
2 Chelsea, Ipswich, Newcastle, Norwich, Tottenham, West Ham
1 Derby, Everton, Fulham, Stoke, Sunderland,
West Brom, Wolves
This includes FA and League Cup, Charity Shield and European Finals.
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Post by JoeinOz on May 26, 2023 8:46:12 GMT
Is Wembley being overused and consequently losing its magic? In the 70’s these were the total English club appearances;- 9 Liverpool 5 Arsenal 4 Leeds, Man Utd 3 Aston Villa, Man City, Forest, Southampton 2 Chelsea, Ipswich, Newcastle, Norwich, Tottenham, West Ham 1 Derby, Everton, Fulham, Stoke, Sunderland, West Brom, Wolves This includes FA and League Cup, Charity Shield and European Finals. Yes it is. |
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