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Post by 4372 on Mar 20, 2023 18:35:31 GMT
Sheffield United also close to administration apparently I heard on talsport this morning they aren't even painting the training pitches as they can't afford the paint. They're in big trouble. Be good if they were gone by Wednesday. |
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Post by danceswithclams on Mar 20, 2023 18:50:00 GMT
It's KFC and Greggs I think now. Did anyone check to see if Wayne Thomas was in the Greggs? |
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Post by J-Roar on Mar 20, 2023 18:55:15 GMT
It's KFC and Greggs I think now. Did anyone check to see if Wayne Thomas was in the Greggs? Couldn't be arsed |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Mar 21, 2023 7:04:02 GMT
How does FFP stop a club from selling a player and how will scrapping FFP save Wigan from administration? They are going to be sanctioned for not paying their players. It wasn't FFP that told Wigan they could give players contracts they couldn't afford - in fact if they took FFP more seriously they wouldn't have done it in the first place. FFP is stopping clubs with rich owners buying players from clubs who are in financial strife. The transfer window stops this happening at the exact moment clubs need the money most. We could give Wigan £1M for a player or two today and their financial worries would be eased. This is how football worked for well over a century. It was a good model that did not need altering. That's a very benevolent view of how the wealthy operate. It's far more likely clubs with rich owners would either not buy the players and allow clubs to go under for their own advantage or continually tap up players during the season to destabilise them. Let money talk to that extent and you might as well just base the league table on a club's bank balance at the start of the season and scrap the fixtures. No-one forced Wigan to put players on contracts they couldn't afford. It isn't FFP that's done for Wigan it's the fact that they have incompetent owners who can't budget properly - a basic requirement on any business is to be able to forecast their income and ensure they have the cash flow to pay their staff. The only reason people on here want to scrap FFP is because they think we have rich owners and we can buy our way to success - very few on here gives a fuck about the fact scrapping FFP would create a boom or bust cycle that would kill off far more clubs than those it would lead to the promised land. 24 teams in the Championship paying beyond their means every season to secure one of three places doesn't add up - and neither does 20 teams in the Premier League chasing the European places. Wigan, Reading and Sheffield United are doing exactly what Leicester, Forest and Villa did - living beyond their means to reach the next level. Some get lucky, others don't. Those with benevolent owners might get away with it but the majority of owners protect themselves by loading any debt on the club so when things do go wrong it's the club that suffers not them. FFP doesn't do for clubs - it's putting the very existence of a club at risk in the reckless pursuit of success that does it. Scrapping FFP would just give unscrupulous/stupid owners a licence to fuck up their clubs quicker than they do at the moment. |
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Post by Not_Nick_H on Mar 21, 2023 11:34:03 GMT
What's the score with Burnley financially? Didn't their (U.S.?) owners effectively create a load for debt for them? yes And yet we're supposed to be amazed and in awe of how they're running away with the League.  |
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Post by werrington on Mar 24, 2023 17:12:46 GMT
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Mar 24, 2023 17:23:30 GMT
Really gotta feel for the fans of Clubs that find themselves in that sort of position
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Post by lordb on Mar 24, 2023 17:24:41 GMT
Really gotta feel for the fans of Clubs that find themselves in that sort of position & all the staff |
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Post by marylandstoke on Mar 24, 2023 17:27:03 GMT
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Mar 24, 2023 17:27:05 GMT
Really gotta feel for the fans of Clubs that find themselves in that sort of position & all the staff Absolutely, imagine finishing a working week and not being paid but expected to heat your house feed the family etc. As if life currently isn’t stressful enough |
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Post by felonious on Mar 24, 2023 17:30:09 GMT
I heard on talsport this morning they aren't even painting the training pitches as they can't afford the paint. They're in big trouble. Be good if they were gone by Wednesday.  |
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Post by Northy on Mar 27, 2023 15:05:07 GMT
Looks like they got paid over the weekend, but the CEO has left www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65063887A 3 point deduction leaves them adrift, as good as relegated, 8 points from safety and the worst GD in the league, form not good either as they are the only team in the league who have not won in the last 5 games |
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Post by flea79 on Mar 27, 2023 15:15:14 GMT
Looks like they got paid over the weekend, but the CEO has left www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65063887A 3 point deduction leaves them adrift, as good as relegated, 8 points from safety and the worst GD in the league, form not good either as they are the only team in the league who have not won in the last 5 games its believed that admin will now follow, the owner just doesnt have the funds to keep it going till the end of the season, again!!!! |
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Post by LGH87 on Mar 27, 2023 15:24:00 GMT
How do they keep managing to yo-yo between the Champ and League One and keep suffering these issues.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Mar 27, 2023 15:57:18 GMT
How do they keep managing to yo-yo between the Champ and League One and keep suffering these issues. Because they over stretch themselves in order to yo yo between the Champ and League One? It's the equivalent of what Burnley and Sheffield United are trying to do except the numbers aren't as big and they are even worse at it. |
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Post by flea79 on May 6, 2023 22:12:54 GMT
Wigan players not payed again and some staff apparently
Training hadn’t happened as players have refused too train
It’s even mooted most first teamers won’t play on Monday….
Not sure what punishments can be handed out but surely it’s reaching the point where they should just be folded and a phoenix club formed…..
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Post by Sfance on May 6, 2023 22:46:20 GMT
And yet they still beat us …. speaks volumes for the shit show that is SCFC.
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Post by nottsover60 on May 6, 2023 23:07:25 GMT
Can't imagine there is any truth in the Powell to Wigan rumour mooted earlier this week!
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Post by wilcopotter on May 7, 2023 0:06:22 GMT
Can't imagine there is any truth in the Powell to Wigan rumour mooted earlier this week! Who cares? He won’t be missed. |
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Post by kingsman on May 7, 2023 10:30:30 GMT
Been here before.
Wigan are yet another club , among many, that provide a good example of how when you are promoted to the prem, your cost base goes through the roof...but should you be relegated you can't make your cost base go down to what it was before you went up .
This problem, then becomes an even bigger issue, if you aren't promoted back to the prem,in your first season or two back in the championship.
Their are loads of different Wigan's struggling with this problem... reading, wba , hull , Stoke , derby ...where would Stoke be if the coates family hadn't bought the stadium?
Basically man utd,man city, arsenal and company,insist on having such a massive slice of the premier League pie , that it's very difficult ( almost impossible over a sustained period of time) for new boys and bottom half teams to compete. Which is why the prem is run the way it is...it's meant to be impossible for new boys and bottom half teams to compete.
Perhaps Derby , Wigan, wba and company shouldn't even bother competiting ? Explain to their fans they are leaving players wages and contracts alone and are using the prem TV money to have for one season only, super cheap admission of say £5 for adults and a £1 for kids and are building for next season in the championship.
Explain to their fans why they are doing this and invite them to come along and see Liverpool, man city etc for a fiver .
Would piss the premier League right off because you would be shining a spotlight on what it exactly is
But Wigan, readings, wba etc would be better to look after their fans and build a solid championship squad ,as opposed to appeasing the premier League by bringing in an avalanche of overpaid foreign players on three or four year contracts and potentially bankrupting their club, barring the very unlikely event of them all being promoted again, every time they went down.
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Post by RF10 on May 7, 2023 11:12:47 GMT
Been here before. Wigan are yet another club , among many, that provide a good example of how when you are promoted to the prem, your cost base goes through the roof...but should you be relegated you can't make your cost base go down to what it was before you went up . This problem, then becomes an even bigger issue, if you aren't promoted back to the prem,in your first season or two back in the championship. Their are loads of different Wigan's struggling with this problem... reading, wba , hull , Stoke , derby ...where would Stoke be if the coates family hadn't bought the stadium? Basically man utd,man city, arsenal and company,insist on having such a massive slice of the premier League pie , that it's very difficult ( almost impossible over a sustained period of time) for new boys and bottom half teams to compete. Which is why the prem is run the way it is...it's meant to be impossible for new boys and bottom half teams to compete. Perhaps Derby , Wigan, wba and company shouldn't even bother competiting ? Explain to their fans they are leaving players wages and contracts alone and are using the prem TV money to have for one season only, super cheap admission of say £5 for adults and a £1 for kids and are building for next season in the championship. Explain to their fans why they are doing this and invite them to come along and see Liverpool, man city etc for a fiver . Would piss the premier League right off because you would be shining a spotlight on what it exactly is But Wigan, readings, wba etc would be better to look after their fans and build a solid championship squad ,as opposed to appeasing the premier League by bringing in an avalanche of overpaid foreign players on three or four year contracts and potentially bankrupting their club, barring the very unlikely event of them all being promoted again, every time they went down. We spent 10 years in the Premier League with some unreal memories along the way, that's what footballs about. It's down to piss poor decisions that got us in this position. Nothing more, nothing less. |
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Post by flea79 on May 12, 2023 12:23:06 GMT
The saga continues! How much longer can the league let this happen?  |
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Post by independent on May 12, 2023 20:49:17 GMT
Been here before. Wigan are yet another club , among many, that provide a good example of how when you are promoted to the prem, your cost base goes through the roof...but should you be relegated you can't make your cost base go down to what it was before you went up . This problem, then becomes an even bigger issue, if you aren't promoted back to the prem,in your first season or two back in the championship. Their are loads of different Wigan's struggling with this problem... reading, wba , hull , Stoke , derby ...where would Stoke be if the coates family hadn't bought the stadium? Basically man utd,man city, arsenal and company,insist on having such a massive slice of the premier League pie , that it's very difficult ( almost impossible over a sustained period of time) for new boys and bottom half teams to compete. Which is why the prem is run the way it is...it's meant to be impossible for new boys and bottom half teams to compete. Perhaps Derby , Wigan, wba and company shouldn't even bother competiting ? Explain to their fans they are leaving players wages and contracts alone and are using the prem TV money to have for one season only, super cheap admission of say £5 for adults and a £1 for kids and are building for next season in the championship. Explain to their fans why they are doing this and invite them to come along and see Liverpool, man city etc for a fiver . Would piss the premier League right off because you would be shining a spotlight on what it exactly is But Wigan, readings, wba etc would be better to look after their fans and build a solid championship squad ,as opposed to appeasing the premier League by bringing in an avalanche of overpaid foreign players on three or four year contracts and potentially bankrupting their club, barring the very unlikely event of them all being promoted again, every time they went down. We spent 10 years in the Premier League with some unreal memories along the way, that's what footballs about. It's down to piss poor decisions that got us in this position. Nothing more, nothing less. Nobody gets all their transfers spot on. So unless you have lots of money available, sooner or later you are going to have to absorb a loss of tens of millions of pounds on at least one transfer that doesn't work out. When you consider that a 60% success on transfers is considered good,you can see the size of the problem. How many players like JONES have been paid for years by Utd. Do you think that we could buy a player for millions and pay him a top salary for 3/4 years without getting a game out of him . Wasn't it reported that Axel Tuanzebe was on 42k a week at Utd. |
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Post by independent on May 12, 2023 21:47:31 GMT
There were 22 members when the Premiership was formed. Only 6 clubs have been everpresent. Did all the other 16 just make piss poor decisions.
Blackburn Rovers,Bolton Wanderers,Crystal Palace,Fulham,Leeds United,Middlesbrough,Southampton and Sunderland have all had a longer run than us in the Premier League. I'm
not sure that they feel entitled to still be in it. But for some strange reason you think that we should be. 50 different clubs have played in the Premiership. I wonder how many of their supporters feel as you do.
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Post by mtrstudent on May 12, 2023 22:00:23 GMT
Nobody gets all their transfers spot on. So unless you have lots of money available, sooner or later you are going to have to absorb a loss of tens of millions of pounds on at least one transfer that doesn't work out. When you consider that a 60% success on transfers is considered good,you can see the size of the problem. How many players like JONES have been paid for years by Utd. Do you think that we could buy a player for millions and pay him a top salary for 3/4 years without getting a game out of him . Wasn't it reported that Axel Tuanzebe was on 42k a week at Utd. Everyone makes mistakes but looking at recruitment through latter Hughes seasons through Nathan Jones... Not many teams could have done that badly, could they? |
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Post by pottersrule on May 13, 2023 6:49:32 GMT
Really gotta feel for the fans of Clubs that find themselves in that sort of position & all the staff I'm sure it's worse for them.Can you imagine when pay day arrives you are told you won't be paid? A frightening thought. |
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Post by RF10 on May 13, 2023 7:02:44 GMT
We spent 10 years in the Premier League with some unreal memories along the way, that's what footballs about. It's down to piss poor decisions that got us in this position. Nothing more, nothing less. Nobody gets all their transfers spot on. So unless you have lots of money available, sooner or later you are going to have to absorb a loss of tens of millions of pounds on at least one transfer that doesn't work out. When you consider that a 60% success on transfers is considered good,you can see the size of the problem. How many players like JONES have been paid for years by Utd. Do you think that we could buy a player for millions and pay him a top salary for 3/4 years without getting a game out of him . Wasn't it reported that Axel Tuanzebe was on 42k a week at Utd. They don't but from going from top half Premier League to relegation within 18 months then what has followed since, along with the financial backing we had, is a direct result of terrible decisions. |
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Post by lordb on May 13, 2023 8:26:38 GMT
Nobody gets all their transfers spot on. So unless you have lots of money available, sooner or later you are going to have to absorb a loss of tens of millions of pounds on at least one transfer that doesn't work out. When you consider that a 60% success on transfers is considered good,you can see the size of the problem. How many players like JONES have been paid for years by Utd. Do you think that we could buy a player for millions and pay him a top salary for 3/4 years without getting a game out of him . Wasn't it reported that Axel Tuanzebe was on 42k a week at Utd. They don't but from going from top half Premier League to relegation within 18 months then what has followed since, along with the financial backing we had, is a direct result of terrible decisions. Think you are missing the point no one is defending the appalling run of expensive signings However point is even with good recruitment you are going to go wrong somewhere and with the sums involved that can be extremely damaging Transfer system is broken, football finances are broken it needs to change |
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Post by nottsover60 on May 13, 2023 8:43:05 GMT
FFP is stopping clubs with rich owners buying players from clubs who are in financial strife. The transfer window stops this happening at the exact moment clubs need the money most. We could give Wigan £1M for a player or two today and their financial worries would be eased. This is how football worked for well over a century. It was a good model that did not need altering. That's a very benevolent view of how the wealthy operate. It's far more likely clubs with rich owners would either not buy the players and allow clubs to go under for their own advantage or continually tap up players during the season to destabilise them. Let money talk to that extent and you might as well just base the league table on a club's bank balance at the start of the season and scrap the fixtures. No-one forced Wigan to put players on contracts they couldn't afford. It isn't FFP that's done for Wigan it's the fact that they have incompetent owners who can't budget properly - a basic requirement on any business is to be able to forecast their income and ensure they have the cash flow to pay their staff. The only reason people on here want to scrap FFP is because they think we have rich owners and we can buy our way to success - very few on here gives a fuck about the fact scrapping FFP would create a boom or bust cycle that would kill off far more clubs than those it would lead to the promised land. 24 teams in the Championship paying beyond their means every season to secure one of three places doesn't add up - and neither does 20 teams in the Premier League chasing the European places. Wigan, Reading and Sheffield United are doing exactly what Leicester, Forest and Villa did - living beyond their means to reach the next level. Some get lucky, others don't. Those with benevolent owners might get away with it but the majority of owners protect themselves by loading any debt on the club so when things do go wrong it's the club that suffers not them. FFP doesn't do for clubs - it's putting the very existence of a club at risk in the reckless pursuit of success that does it. Scrapping FFP would just give unscrupulous/stupid owners a licence to fuck up their clubs quicker than they do at the moment. You are both right. FFP is most definitely needed to stop callous owners leaving clubs with unsustainable debts. The problem is the current rules do not work. You say we want to get rid of them because we think we have rich owners who will buy us success. That is true but nobody has explained to me why they shouldn't do that as long as they don't burden the club with debt. If they are prepared to buy players/pay wages out of their own purse with no strings attached for the club why shouldn't they? As March says, Stoke, or more accurately the Coates buying a player from Wigan for £1 million wouldn' t damage Stoke but would help Wigan as long as the money went to pay players' wages. I don't accept the line that it isn't fair on poorer clubs. Since when did equality become what fairness meant. Life isn't fair from the minute a baby is born. What needs to be addressed is the way that clubs like Sheffield Utd and Burnley have broken financial rules by not paying wages or filing accounts this year while receiving parachute payments but have got away with it because they succeeded in getting promoted but Reading and Wigan have done no different but are getting punishment. In my opinion as long as that anomaly exists no FFP rules will prevent clubs from gambling. Stoke are lucky to have rich owners but we seem to be one of the few clubs who actually stick to the rules What made me laugh yesterday was Birmingham given a suspended two point deduction for breaching owner and director rules by appointing someone who hadn't passed the appropriate tests. Two points?? Clubs lose two points to a dodgy referreeing decision every week. Surely appointing someone to the ownership of your club with no investigation into their background should be serious. Not that those rules seem very appropriate - imagine if Derby had been sold to Kirchner after he'd been approved as fit and proper. |
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Post by RF10 on May 13, 2023 9:33:42 GMT
They don't but from going from top half Premier League to relegation within 18 months then what has followed since, along with the financial backing we had, is a direct result of terrible decisions. Think you are missing the point no one is defending the appalling run of expensive signings However point is even with good recruitment you are going to go wrong somewhere and with the sums involved that can be extremely damaging Transfer system is broken, football finances are broken it needs to change I was being quoted and was referring back to my original point. There's a big difference between couple of transfer errors which I agree is normal within every Club and the inept continuity of making bad decisions which led to our demise. |
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