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Post by mr on Mar 18, 2023 13:03:30 GMT
FFP. A price the majority of clubs have to pay and suffer for to make sure a small group of favoured clubs always stay at the top. This is exactly what it has always been, they can dress it up however they like but that is why FFP was imposed |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2023 13:37:57 GMT
They must be loaded with bad debt if this is the case. A promotion to the Premier League (worth in excess of £100m) and parachute payments and they’re still close to administration?! The mind boggles… I wonder how Forest would fair financially if they came straight back down? I can't imagine them trying to shift the mercenaries attached to that club right now. Many aren't on long deals I think? Might be their own saving grace there. |
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Post by flea79 on Mar 18, 2023 14:08:23 GMT
I wonder how Forest would fair financially if they came straight back down? I can't imagine them trying to shift the mercenaries attached to that club right now. Many aren't on long deals I think? Might be their own saving grace there. Or they signed players with relegation release clauses and relegation wage deductions? Nah that’s too sensible this is football we are discussing! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2023 15:00:23 GMT
I can't imagine them trying to shift the mercenaries attached to that club right now. Many aren't on long deals I think? Might be their own saving grace there. Or they signed players with relegation release clauses and relegation wage deductions? Nah that’s too sensible this is football we are discussing! We were the best, we had them all sign those clauses (despite many considering us very stable and safe as a prem side), but then the second we went down we offered them bumper contracts  |
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Mar 18, 2023 15:06:08 GMT
Just how many Clubs at the moment in the Championship are facing points deductions for financial unfair play?
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Post by Not_Nick_H on Mar 20, 2023 12:03:37 GMT
It's shit or bust for Sheffield United is my understanding... If they go up they'll be out of reach of the EFL and if they don't, they will be selling the family silver... A bit like Villa in their promotion season recently, would have been fucked if they didn't go up. FFP, and how it is implemented, is a disgrace. Is this still the case with Leicester? I always got the impression the EFL sharks were still circling wating for the trapdoor if they ever got relegated because they had "unfinished FFP business" from their time pre-promotion. |
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Post by nottsover60 on Mar 20, 2023 12:09:45 GMT
It's shit or bust for Sheffield United is my understanding... If they go up they'll be out of reach of the EFL and if they don't, they will be selling the family silver... A bit like Villa in their promotion season recently, would have been fucked if they didn't go up. FFP, and how it is implemented, is a disgrace. Is this still the case with Leicester? I always got the impression the EFL sharks were still circling wating for the trapdoor if they ever got relegated because they had "unfinished FFP business" from their time pre-promotion. My understanding is that Leicester negotiated a compensation payment with the EFL which of course having reached the promised land was no hardship for them with all the money coming in. The sooner the EFL and Premier have the same regulations and EFL punishments such as points deductions can be handed to promoted clubs with the support of the Premier the better. At the moment clubs can take the risk which if successful will lead to no punishment for having broken the rules. I have been told that very few clubs promoted in the last ten years have done so fairly. Since Leicester set the precedence virtually every promoted club has followed suit. Look at Burnley this year, Villa would have been like Derby if they'd not been promoted, Leeds and Forest obviously spent big to get up, the list goes on. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 20, 2023 12:13:40 GMT
Saw the Wigan coach pulling off at Junction 16 at about 9pm on Saturday, presumably to drop McClean at the Little Chef there "Interesting" "fact" for you all |
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Post by Not_Nick_H on Mar 20, 2023 12:18:08 GMT
Is this still the case with Leicester? I always got the impression the EFL sharks were still circling wating for the trapdoor if they ever got relegated because they had "unfinished FFP business" from their time pre-promotion. My understanding is that Leicester negotiated a compensation payment with the EFL which of course having reached the promised land was no hardship for them with all the money coming in. The sooner the EFL and Premier have the same regulations and EFL punishments such as points deductions can be handed to promoted clubs with the support of the Premier the better. At the moment clubs can take the risk which if successful will lead to no punishment for having broken the rules. I have been told that very few clubs promoted in the last ten years have done so fairly. Since Leicester set the precedence virtually every promoted club has followed suit. Look at Burnley this year, Villa would have been like Derby if they'd not been promoted, Leeds and Forest obviously spent big to get up, the list goes on. Thanks for clearing that up notts' . So effectively, Leicester got away with it - setting a precedent for clubs to gamble it all on going up and if they do, they can pay off the EFL. And if they don't get promoted, "the boys will be round". |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 20, 2023 12:18:49 GMT
Saw the Wigan coach pulling off at Junction 16 at about 9pm on Saturday, presumably to drop McClean at the Little Chef there "Interesting" "fact" for you all Was he going to do the late shift? |
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Post by Not_Nick_H on Mar 20, 2023 12:35:29 GMT
What's the score with Burnley financially? Didn't their (U.S.?) owners effectively create a load for debt for them?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 20, 2023 12:38:02 GMT
Saw the Wigan coach pulling off at Junction 16 at about 9pm on Saturday, presumably to drop McClean at the Little Chef there "Interesting" "fact" for you all Was he going to do the late shift? He might need to at this rate! |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 20, 2023 12:47:37 GMT
My understanding is that Leicester negotiated a compensation payment with the EFL which of course having reached the promised land was no hardship for them with all the money coming in. The sooner the EFL and Premier have the same regulations and EFL punishments such as points deductions can be handed to promoted clubs with the support of the Premier the better. At the moment clubs can take the risk which if successful will lead to no punishment for having broken the rules. I have been told that very few clubs promoted in the last ten years have done so fairly. Since Leicester set the precedence virtually every promoted club has followed suit. Look at Burnley this year, Villa would have been like Derby if they'd not been promoted, Leeds and Forest obviously spent big to get up, the list goes on. Thanks for clearing that up notts' . So effectively, Leicester got away with it - setting a precedent for clubs to gamble it all on going up and if they do, they can pay off the EFL. And if they don't get promoted, "the boys will be round". QPR did the same around about the same time when that crook Fernandez was in charge. They ended up settling for about £42m in about 2018/19 I think. Wasn't it this that prompted the EFL to tighten up and bring in points deductions to stop rich owners taking the piss and then paying off the fine when it came. |
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Post by Not_Nick_H on Mar 20, 2023 12:52:17 GMT
Thanks for clearing that up notts' . So effectively, Leicester got away with it - setting a precedent for clubs to gamble it all on going up and if they do, they can pay off the EFL. And if they don't get promoted, "the boys will be round". QPR did the same around about the same time when that crook Fernandez was in charge. They ended up settling for about £42m in about 2018/19 I think. Wasn't it this that prompted the EFL to tighten up and bring in points deductions to stop rich owners taking the piss and then paying off the fine when it came. Could well have been. Although it sounds like there still needs to be some joined-up thinking between the EFL and PL. Even if a club goes up they should still get a points deduction to handicap them in the next season. Kind of like "the Feds" waiting at the border with a roadblock  |
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Post by lordb on Mar 20, 2023 13:00:36 GMT
Saw the Wigan coach pulling off at Junction 16 at about 9pm on Saturday, presumably to drop McClean at the Little Chef there "Interesting" "fact" for you all Little Chef still going? |
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Post by lordb on Mar 20, 2023 13:01:01 GMT
What's the score with Burnley financially? Didn't their (U.S.?) owners effectively create a load for debt for them? yes |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 20, 2023 13:08:57 GMT
Saw the Wigan coach pulling off at Junction 16 at about 9pm on Saturday, presumably to drop McClean at the Little Chef there "Interesting" "fact" for you all Little Chef still going? No idea tbh but I'm sure it used to be that there? And can only presume they were dropping McClean off. |
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Post by thevoid on Mar 20, 2023 14:18:50 GMT
Is this still the case with Leicester? I always got the impression the EFL sharks were still circling wating for the trapdoor if they ever got relegated because they had "unfinished FFP business" from their time pre-promotion. My understanding is that Leicester negotiated a compensation payment with the EFL which of course having reached the promised land was no hardship for them with all the money coming in. The sooner the EFL and Premier have the same regulations and EFL punishments such as points deductions can be handed to promoted clubs with the support of the Premier the better. At the moment clubs can take the risk which if successful will lead to no punishment for having broken the rules. I have been told that very few clubs promoted in the last ten years have done so fairly. Since Leicester set the precedence virtually every promoted club has followed suit. Look at Burnley this year, Villa would have been like Derby if they'd not been promoted, Leeds and Forest obviously spent big to get up, the list goes on. This is why I couldn't take any pleasure from Leicester's recent success |
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Post by bagnallboothen on Mar 20, 2023 14:33:25 GMT
Is this still the case with Leicester? I always got the impression the EFL sharks were still circling wating for the trapdoor if they ever got relegated because they had "unfinished FFP business" from their time pre-promotion. My understanding is that Leicester negotiated a compensation payment with the EFL which of course having reached the promised land was no hardship for them with all the money coming in. The sooner the EFL and Premier have the same regulations and EFL punishments such as points deductions can be handed to promoted clubs with the support of the Premier the better. At the moment clubs can take the risk which if successful will lead to no punishment for having broken the rules. I have been told that very few clubs promoted in the last ten years have done so fairly. Since Leicester set the precedence virtually every promoted club has followed suit. Look at Burnley this year, Villa would have been like Derby if they'd not been promoted, Leeds and Forest obviously spent big to get up, the list goes on. I wonder why we didn't think of spending big to guarantee promotion when we were relegated. We'd have been back in the top flight for 3 seasons now. |
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Post by nottsover60 on Mar 20, 2023 14:55:22 GMT
My understanding is that Leicester negotiated a compensation payment with the EFL which of course having reached the promised land was no hardship for them with all the money coming in. The sooner the EFL and Premier have the same regulations and EFL punishments such as points deductions can be handed to promoted clubs with the support of the Premier the better. At the moment clubs can take the risk which if successful will lead to no punishment for having broken the rules. I have been told that very few clubs promoted in the last ten years have done so fairly. Since Leicester set the precedence virtually every promoted club has followed suit. Look at Burnley this year, Villa would have been like Derby if they'd not been promoted, Leeds and Forest obviously spent big to get up, the list goes on. I wonder why we didn't think of spending big to guarantee promotion when we were relegated. We'd have been back in the top flight for 3 seasons now. I think compared to a lot of club owners they have high morals and won't break the rules |
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Post by stokefc on Mar 20, 2023 15:02:44 GMT
I wonder why we didn't think of spending big to guarantee promotion when we were relegated. We'd have been back in the top flight for 3 seasons now. I think compared to a lot of club owners they have high morals and won't break the rules I think bagnall should have put a winky  |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 20, 2023 15:03:58 GMT
My understanding is that Leicester negotiated a compensation payment with the EFL which of course having reached the promised land was no hardship for them with all the money coming in. The sooner the EFL and Premier have the same regulations and EFL punishments such as points deductions can be handed to promoted clubs with the support of the Premier the better. At the moment clubs can take the risk which if successful will lead to no punishment for having broken the rules. I have been told that very few clubs promoted in the last ten years have done so fairly. Since Leicester set the precedence virtually every promoted club has followed suit. Look at Burnley this year, Villa would have been like Derby if they'd not been promoted, Leeds and Forest obviously spent big to get up, the list goes on. This is why I couldn't take any pleasure from Leicester's recent success That and the fact that they also tactically used administration to wipe out their debt and simply return the next day as a debt free entity allowing them to push back towards the Premier League. But in the process sending many small local companies to the wall. So no, I'm no lover of Leicester either. |
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Post by ontheup on Mar 20, 2023 15:23:35 GMT
Saw the Wigan coach pulling off at Junction 16 at about 9pm on Saturday, presumably to drop McClean at the Little Chef there "Interesting" "fact" for you all Little Chef still going? It's KFC and Greggs I think now. |
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Mar 20, 2023 15:51:38 GMT
This is why I couldn't take any pleasure from Leicester's recent success That and the fact that they also tactically used administration to wipe out their debt and simply return the next day as a debt free entity allowing them to push back towards the Premier League. But in the process sending many small local companies to the wall. So no, I'm no lover of Leicester either. It's the sending out of business the little companies when they went into admin that made me really not like them. They then go on like they are a club for the families and the city of Leicester, hypocritical twats. That and when they beat us in the playoffs ofcourse 😉 EDIT. And Lineker 😉 |
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Post by lordb on Mar 20, 2023 15:55:42 GMT
It's KFC and Greggs I think now. I'd rather go hungry tbh |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 20, 2023 16:34:56 GMT
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Post by bagnallboothen on Mar 20, 2023 16:46:54 GMT
I wonder why we didn't think of spending big to guarantee promotion when we were relegated. We'd have been back in the top flight for 3 seasons now. I think compared to a lot of club owners they have high morals and won't break the rules I assume this is a piss take?? |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 20, 2023 17:16:37 GMT
That and the fact that they also tactically used administration to wipe out their debt and simply return the next day as a debt free entity allowing them to push back towards the Premier League. But in the process sending many small local companies to the wall. So no, I'm no lover of Leicester either. It's the sending out of business the little companies when they went into admin that made me really not like them. They then go on like they are a club for the families and the city of Leicester, hypocritical twats. That and when they beat us in the playoffs ofcourse 😉 EDIT. And Lineker 😉 Oh yes I forgot Line Acher. Bastards. |
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Post by pottersrule on Mar 20, 2023 17:19:44 GMT
No idea tbh but I'm sure it used to be that there? And can only presume they were dropping McClean off. It's now a KFC apparently. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 20, 2023 18:21:29 GMT
If they were a race horse they’d have been shot by now……
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