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Post by GeneralFaye on Feb 5, 2023 8:48:29 GMT
Feel sorry for Josh but this must mean we go to a back 4 now and once Tuanzebe and Pearson are in that side we'll be fine.
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Post by s7oke on Feb 5, 2023 8:52:41 GMT
Terrible blow for him, I did actually think Sterling looked better at left back than right back. I thought Hoever looked ok too when he came on. I can’t understand how the Luton player didn’t get a red. It was an incredibly late tackle. There’s other clubs that would have created hell for that tackle and got him sent off. It was so late they all missed it
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Post by s7oke on Feb 5, 2023 8:53:15 GMT
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Post by s7oke on Feb 5, 2023 8:55:50 GMT
Why did no one go and nail that little weasel that stuck one on him...? Pearson isn’t fit
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Post by questionable on Feb 5, 2023 9:02:01 GMT
This is what the really winds me up with AN, Fox yesterday was appalling and that’s putting it mildly, I lost count of how many times he got closed down or absolutely skinned yesterday, it’s not as if it’s a a one off, he’s utter garbage and yet AN failed to address the glaring abomination on that side.
AN’s persistence with this utter shit system will have us relegated, madness.
AN after the transfer window and the Luton presser was saying the usual positive crap and ppl were lapping it up, it’s results that count and he’s failing miserably, at no point in his time with us so far have I seen anything positive or hope for the future.
Yet another deluded crap appointmen
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 5, 2023 9:13:36 GMT
This is what the really winds me up with AN, Fox yesterday was appalling and that’s putting it mildly, I lost count of how many times he got closed down or absolutely skinned yesterday, it’s not as if it’s a a one off, he’s utter garbage and yet AN failed to address the glaring abomination on that side. AN’s persistence with this utter shit system will have us relegated, madness. AN after the transfer window and the Luton presser was saying the usual positive crap and ppl were lapping it up, it’s results that count and he’s failing miserably, at no point in his time with us so far have I seen anything positive or hope for the future. Yet another deluded crap appointmen That annoyed me as well, but I guess it was a result of the movement in front of him too. Brown often starts too late, he doesn't seem to be very bright when it comes to understanding of the game, and Gayle is so f...... slow so there was nobody to aim at.
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 7, 2023 17:13:34 GMT
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Post by xchpotter on Feb 7, 2023 17:47:28 GMT
Some good news I guess. Could’ve been much worse.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 7, 2023 17:55:48 GMT
Excellent news though he needs to hit better form. o
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 7, 2023 17:58:43 GMT
Glad it’s not too serious and he’ll be back soon. Although I’m not sure it’ll benefit the team too much. If Neil changes his formation and tactics as a result of losing Tymon and we start looking like a team it’ll be interesting to see what happens when he comes back.
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Post by Championship Potter on Feb 7, 2023 18:23:43 GMT
Great news - one less hole in the squad to fill next season.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Feb 7, 2023 18:51:08 GMT
People are missing the point here. Tymon out now means one of Hoever or Sterling are out of the squad due to the ridiculous situation we've backed ourselves into with the loanees, which means we are stuck with Fox at left back, else we are leaving ourselves short in midfield or sticking with a 40 year old Jagielka and a creaking Wilmot - if Tuanzebe ever gets onto the pitch. What an absolute stinking mess. Don’t think it’s that big a deal. There is no doubt we are going to 4 at the back as soon as we can. Pearson has been signed to make it happen. We will only need one of Hoover and Sterling per game. I hope we go for a defensive 4 with full backs tucked in and let the front five have a bit more freedom. Tymon is not great at LB but looked useful at Watford last year on the left of a Midfield three
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Post by raythesailor on Feb 8, 2023 11:05:04 GMT
How Stoke have changed.
A late tackle like that would have been noted and revenge inflicted in years gone by. There was little or no reaction to Tymons injury that I could see.
Added to that there was a camera shot of the offender smiling and having banter with his team mates.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Feb 8, 2023 11:36:33 GMT
If Hoever looks anything like, I'd play him at right back and Sterling at left back, thus binning Fox for the rest of the bloody season. He is absolutely useless.
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Post by shakermaker on Feb 8, 2023 11:48:13 GMT
Excellent news though he needs to hit better form. o He has lost the swashbuckling edge to his game that brought him so much credit last season. He needs to be more adventurous with the ball and take it deeper into the opposition more often like he used to. His hesitancy is stifling his sense of urgency and means he isn't getting past opposition players. To his credit though, he's still averaging more chances made than he did overall last season.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 8, 2023 11:53:26 GMT
If Hoever looks anything like, I'd play him at right back and Sterling at left back, thus binning Fox for the rest of the bloody season. He is absolutely useless. I'm expecting Brown at wing back. Id have no problem with fox at left back mind, he was the better of the three in the last game.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Feb 8, 2023 11:54:57 GMT
If Hoever looks anything like, I'd play him at right back and Sterling at left back, thus binning Fox for the rest of the bloody season. He is absolutely useless. The problem with that is which one of the other loans do you bin?
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Post by st3mark on Feb 8, 2023 12:21:02 GMT
Excellent news though he needs to hit better form. o He has lost the swashbuckling edge to his game that brought him so much credit last season. He needs to be more adventurous with the ball and take it deeper into the opposition more often like he used to. His hesitancy is stifling his sense of urgency and means he isn't getting past opposition players. To his credit though, he's still averaging more chances made than he did overall last season. Baker, Tymon, Taylor, Brown, wilmot off the top of my head all looked better last season under the old manager. Whatever tweaks Alex Neil has made to his implementation of 532/343 has had a negative impact on these players in my opinion. I think campbell looks better under Neil some weeks, after that I'm struggling to name any individual improvements. The point I'm trying to make is Tymon like those other players has likely had a change made in terms of his role; where he is supposed to be at any given phase of play, when to press, when to cross etc etc. The result is that we aren't getting the best out of him. Is that down to the weaknesses in his game because he can't fulfil the demands of his manager or is it down to Neil not recognising how to use his strengths. I am particularly concerned with the drastic change of form in tymon and Baker because they were sellable assets and especially away from home huge goal threats. Very stale from them this year. Tymons injury record combined with his loss of form makes me think we should cash in if we get a reasonable offer in the summer. Watching that extensive Pulis interview yesterday whether you like him or not, one thing that's clear is to get promoted you need players who turn up every week and who want to play through injuries and have that extra level of determination.
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Post by jm on Feb 8, 2023 13:19:16 GMT
I like Tymon - still our most effective crosser of the ball
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Post by Robo10 on Feb 8, 2023 13:25:51 GMT
I like Tymon - still our most effective crosser of the ball This doesnt speak volumes of the other crossers of the ball at the club tbh, who are fairly terrible Tymon is a 1 good cross in 5 merchant, he generally cuts inside instead and runs into another player
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Feb 8, 2023 13:31:18 GMT
If Hoever looks anything like, I'd play him at right back and Sterling at left back, thus binning Fox for the rest of the bloody season. He is absolutely useless. The problem with that is which one of the other loans do you bin? Smallbone when we bring Powell back in. I'm generally quite mild-mannered when it comes to assessing our players but Fox is the exception.
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Post by shakermaker on Feb 8, 2023 13:51:48 GMT
He has lost the swashbuckling edge to his game that brought him so much credit last season. He needs to be more adventurous with the ball and take it deeper into the opposition more often like he used to. His hesitancy is stifling his sense of urgency and means he isn't getting past opposition players. To his credit though, he's still averaging more chances made than he did overall last season. Baker, Tymon, Taylor, Brown, wilmot off the top of my head all looked better last season under the old manager. Whatever tweaks Alex Neil has made to his implementation of 532/343 has had a negative impact on these players in my opinion. I think campbell looks better under Neil some weeks, after that I'm struggling to name any individual improvements. The point I'm trying to make is Tymon like those other players has likely had a change made in terms of his role; where he is supposed to be at any given phase of play, when to press, when to cross etc etc. The result is that we aren't getting the best out of him. Is that down to the weaknesses in his game because he can't fulfil the demands of his manager or is it down to Neil not recognising how to use his strengths. I am particularly concerned with the drastic change of form in tymon and Baker because they were sellable assets and especially away from home huge goal threats. Very stale from them this year. Tymons injury record combined with his loss of form makes me think we should cash in if we get a reasonable offer in the summer. Watching that extensive Pulis interview yesterday whether you like him or not, one thing that's clear is to get promoted you need players who turn up every week and who want to play through injuries and have that extra level of determination. I think there is definitely substance to what you're saying. I look back to Josh's better games this season – first game at Millwall, and Cardiff at home. In both those games he was brilliant as a more advanced wing back/attacking winger respectively. However, Neil generally seems to play him in a way that he doesn't exploit width like he can do. I think that has stifled him a bit. Neil needs to trust him a bit more, but maybe Josh is becoming a victim of the shambles of a defence behind him and therefore Neil is holding him back to be more of a defensive wing back to add buffer to the back line. When Pearson is fit and able to do that job instead, then when Josh comes back I'd like to see him let off the leash. He's a terrific attacking asset when on form, and it's a shame to be compromising that in order to address deficiencies elsewhere in the team.
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Post by st3mark on Feb 8, 2023 14:42:55 GMT
Baker, Tymon, Taylor, Brown, wilmot off the top of my head all looked better last season under the old manager. Whatever tweaks Alex Neil has made to his implementation of 532/343 has had a negative impact on these players in my opinion. I think campbell looks better under Neil some weeks, after that I'm struggling to name any individual improvements. The point I'm trying to make is Tymon like those other players has likely had a change made in terms of his role; where he is supposed to be at any given phase of play, when to press, when to cross etc etc. The result is that we aren't getting the best out of him. Is that down to the weaknesses in his game because he can't fulfil the demands of his manager or is it down to Neil not recognising how to use his strengths. I am particularly concerned with the drastic change of form in tymon and Baker because they were sellable assets and especially away from home huge goal threats. Very stale from them this year. Tymons injury record combined with his loss of form makes me think we should cash in if we get a reasonable offer in the summer. Watching that extensive Pulis interview yesterday whether you like him or not, one thing that's clear is to get promoted you need players who turn up every week and who want to play through injuries and have that extra level of determination. I think there is definitely substance to what you're saying. I look back to Josh's better games this season – first game at Millwall, and Cardiff at home. In both those games he was brilliant as a more advanced wing back/attacking winger respectively. However, Neil generally seems to play him in a way that he doesn't exploit width like he can do. I think that has stifled him a bit. Neil needs to trust him a bit more, but maybe Josh is becoming a victim of the shambles of a defence behind him and therefore Neil is holding him back to be more of a defensive wing back to add buffer to the back line. When Pearson is fit and able to do that job instead, then when Josh comes back I'd like to see him let off the leash. He's a terrific attacking asset when on form, and it's a shame to be compromising that in order to address deficiencies elsewhere in the team. It will certainly be interesting to see whether Baker and Tymon improve with the addition of Pearson. I remember a lot of fans slating Whelan but how much impact did his role clearly have in terms of benefiting the performances of Ethers, Pennant, Huth, Shawcross. And then of course we were relegated as soon as he left. I'm certainly hoping for that type of knock on effect with Pearson in the team and I'm really looking forward to seeing what happens in the next 4 matches in particular which are big matches for us.
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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 10, 2023 20:17:43 GMT
www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-josh-tymon-injury-8136490Seems that those criticising Tymon's form this season are being a tad unfair. One of the best wing backs in the Championship this season statistically. I know what his critics will say - "stats are rubbish" but he is above average in every aspect and in the top ten percentile for most. I particularly like the xA expected assists as opposed to actual assists. I know, someone will say it's how many times he assists a goal that is important. But as the article says xA credits players even when their forwards miss easy chances (and with Brown in particular that happens a lot) and doesn't reward wide players who play with a forward who scores a lot of goals especially from low value chances.
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Post by nickhfc on Feb 11, 2023 14:53:08 GMT
I think there is definitely substance to what you're saying. I look back to Josh's better games this season – first game at Millwall, and Cardiff at home. In both those games he was brilliant as a more advanced wing back/attacking winger respectively. However, Neil generally seems to play him in a way that he doesn't exploit width like he can do. I think that has stifled him a bit. Neil needs to trust him a bit more, but maybe Josh is becoming a victim of the shambles of a defence behind him and therefore Neil is holding him back to be more of a defensive wing back to add buffer to the back line. When Pearson is fit and able to do that job instead, then when Josh comes back I'd like to see him let off the leash. He's a terrific attacking asset when on form, and it's a shame to be compromising that in order to address deficiencies elsewhere in the team. It will certainly be interesting to see whether Baker and Tymon improve with the addition of Pearson. I remember a lot of fans slating Whelan but how much impact did his role clearly have in terms of benefiting the performances of Ethers, Pennant, Huth, Shawcross. And then of course we were relegated as soon as he left. I'm certainly hoping for that type of knock on effect with Pearson in the team and I'm really looking forward to seeing what happens in the next 4 matches in particular which are big matches for us. Whelan’s departure is never mentioned in one of the reasons for relegation, but you’re right.
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