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Post by questionable on Jan 26, 2023 18:56:31 GMT
Looking at idea of having a small log burner installed 5kw output as a secondary heat source, it’s for a back room we tend to use more so in the winter that overlooks the garden and fields.
The model we’re looking at is the clear view pioneer 400p due to its measurements and looks.
There seems to be all sorts of goings on about what you can and can’t burn, clear air areas, what certifications you need and even talk of a total ban on such things, with new legislation coming May 23.
So confused as these things aren’t cheap and installation running into many thousands of pounds, not sure if it’s worth the hassle for what basically will be a decoration for 2/3 of the year
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 26, 2023 18:58:44 GMT
Looking at idea of having a small log burner installed 5kw output as a secondary heat source, it’s for a back room we tend to use more so in the winter that overlooks the garden and fields. The model we’re looking at is the clear view pioneer 400p due to its measurements and looks. There seems to be all sorts of goings on about what you can and can’t burn, clear air areas, what certifications you need and even talk of a total ban on such things, with new legislation coming May 23. So confused as these things aren’t cheap and installation running into many thousands of pounds, not sure if it’s worth the hassle for what basically will be a decoration for 2/3 of the year Fields? Ya posh bastard |
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Post by yeswilko on Jan 26, 2023 19:20:24 GMT
Looking at idea of having a small log burner installed 5kw output as a secondary heat source, it’s for a back room we tend to use more so in the winter that overlooks the garden and fields. The model we’re looking at is the clear view pioneer 400p due to its measurements and looks. There seems to be all sorts of goings on about what you can and can’t burn, clear air areas, what certifications you need and even talk of a total ban on such things, with new legislation coming May 23. So confused as these things aren’t cheap and installation running into many thousands of pounds, not sure if it’s worth the hassle for what basically will be a decoration for 2/3 of the year Do you have a chimney in that room? Or would you need to do an external flue? |
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jan 26, 2023 19:20:27 GMT
Looking at idea of having a small log burner installed 5kw output as a secondary heat source, it’s for a back room we tend to use more so in the winter that overlooks the garden and fields. The model we’re looking at is the clear view pioneer 400p due to its measurements and looks. There seems to be all sorts of goings on about what you can and can’t burn, clear air areas, what certifications you need and even talk of a total ban on such things, with new legislation coming May 23. So confused as these things aren’t cheap and installation running into many thousands of pounds, not sure if it’s worth the hassle for what basically will be a decoration for 2/3 of the year We’ve got one and use it a lot. Ours is in the lounge and it’s lovely having it in the winter. Nothing too flash just a Stovax but it’s a great feature. If my memory serves me well all in for about 2k. We have a chimney. |
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Post by metalhead on Jan 26, 2023 19:35:03 GMT
I don't rate them at all in houses. They clog up the place with soot.
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Post by iglugluk on Jan 26, 2023 19:51:40 GMT
I've got a 5kw output multifuel one and it's great..it is capable of heating the whole house to a reasonable level.
A defra approved unit is potentially useful for future proofing.
I guess there could be potential issues if you live in a smoke controlled area some time in the future although as things stand but I reckon that ones that burn smokeless fuel will be alright for a while yet.
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Post by butlerstbob on Jan 26, 2023 19:55:06 GMT
I have a 5kw morso and love it this time of year soo cosy,is it cost effective? No not really considering the cost to buy and install, then the price of logs seems to go up every year!
So I am glad we had it when we built our extension "overlooking fields"... Would I have one now? Probably not due to it being a very expensive luxury!
Another down side is you still have to have the heating on otherwise the other parts of the house soon get cold!
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Post by dave1 on Jan 26, 2023 20:22:27 GMT
I've got a 5kw output multifuel one and it's great..it is capable of heating the whole house to a reasonable level. A defra approved unit is potentially useful for future proofing. I guess there could be potential issues if you live in a smoke controlled area some time in the future although as things stand but I reckon that ones that burn smokeless fuel will be alright for a while yet. I have one, think it's 5kw but not certain. I always have mine on when needed. I don't have my radiator on in the living room (where the burner is) but do the rest of the house. I don't understand how people can say it heats the entire home though, mine would never warm the stairs, bedrooms etc. So far I've managed to get wood without paying for it but imagine this will change in time (I do buy smokeless coal though) |
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Post by iglugluk on Jan 26, 2023 20:30:01 GMT
I've got a 5kw output multifuel one and it's great..it is capable of heating the whole house to a reasonable level. A defra approved unit is potentially useful for future proofing. I guess there could be potential issues if you live in a smoke controlled area some time in the future although as things stand but I reckon that ones that burn smokeless fuel will be alright for a while yet. I have one, think it's 5kw but not certain. I always have mine on when needed. I don't have my radiator on in the living room (where the burner is) but do the rest of the house. I don't understand how people can say it heats the entire home though, mine would never warm the stairs, bedrooms etc. So far I've managed to get wood without paying for it but imagine this will change in time (I do buy smokeless coal though) Not all 5kw units are equal.. both the installers I know confirm this. Mine definitely keeps the house warm in the rooms I use regularly, although I do have to use 2 or 3 hours central heating over the course of a 24 hour period when it's particularly cold. Mind you I live in a house with 12" thick extremely hard stone walls ( can't even drill a hole in them ) that holds heat really well when heated regularly. I have access to loads of free wood though which makes a massive difference tbh. |
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Post by questionable on Jan 26, 2023 20:32:31 GMT
Looking at idea of having a small log burner installed 5kw output as a secondary heat source, it’s for a back room we tend to use more so in the winter that overlooks the garden and fields. The model we’re looking at is the clear view pioneer 400p due to its measurements and looks. There seems to be all sorts of goings on about what you can and can’t burn, clear air areas, what certifications you need and even talk of a total ban on such things, with new legislation coming May 23. So confused as these things aren’t cheap and installation running into many thousands of pounds, not sure if it’s worth the hassle for what basically will be a decoration for 2/3 of the year Do you have a chimney in that room? Or would you need to do an external flue? [ We have a chimney in the other room but where it’s going it’ll need an external flue. |
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Post by dave1 on Jan 26, 2023 20:39:05 GMT
I have one, think it's 5kw but not certain. I always have mine on when needed. I don't have my radiator on in the living room (where the burner is) but do the rest of the house. I don't understand how people can say it heats the entire home though, mine would never warm the stairs, bedrooms etc. So far I've managed to get wood without paying for it but imagine this will change in time (I do buy smokeless coal though) Not all 5kw units are equal.. both the installers I know confirm this. Mine definitely keeps the house warm in the rooms I use regularly, although I do have to use 2 or 3 hours central heating over the course of a 24 hour period when it's particularly cold. Mind you I live in a house with 12" thick extremely hard stone walls ( can't even drill a hole in them ) that holds heat really well when heated regularly. I have access to loads of free wood though which makes a massive difference tbh. I wasn't doubting you mate.... Out of curiosity does a higher KW simply mean a bigger burner (ie you cam fit more fuel in, which generates more heat). I have a AGA Wenlock, which having just looked appears to be 4.7kw output |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 26, 2023 20:41:56 GMT
12” thick stone walls, fields. This is clearly a thread for the more affluent Oatcakers. I’m out🤣
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Post by iglugluk on Jan 26, 2023 20:54:42 GMT
Not all 5kw units are equal.. both the installers I know confirm this. Mine definitely keeps the house warm in the rooms I use regularly, although I do have to use 2 or 3 hours central heating over the course of a 24 hour period when it's particularly cold. Mind you I live in a house with 12" thick extremely hard stone walls ( can't even drill a hole in them ) that holds heat really well when heated regularly. I have access to loads of free wood though which makes a massive difference tbh. I wasn't doubting you mate.... Out of curiosity does a higher KW simply mean a bigger burner (ie you cam fit more fuel in, which generates more heat). I have a AGA Wenlock, which having just looked appears to be 4.7kw output You are absolutely right, higher kw means more heat output.. in theory.. but the amount one burns in any given time period makes a huge difference I've found and some stoves appear to get through more. I know a couple of installers who both say some 5kw units put out significantly more heat than do others. The 5kw and under units don't require a ventilation test on the room, I think, so tend to be installed more often.  |
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Post by dave1 on Jan 26, 2023 20:56:58 GMT
I wasn't doubting you mate.... Out of curiosity does a higher KW simply mean a bigger burner (ie you cam fit more fuel in, which generates more heat). I have a AGA Wenlock, which having just looked appears to be 4.7kw output You are absolutely right, higher kw means more heat output.. in theory.. but the amount one burns in any given time period makes a huge difference I've found and some stoves appear to get through more. I know a couple of installers who both say some 5kw units put out significantly more heat than do others. The 5kw and under units don't require a ventilation test on the room, I think, so tend to be installed more often. Cheers, if you don't mind me asking what model have you got? And is it one of the ones that your installer has said chucks out more heat??? |
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Post by iglugluk on Jan 26, 2023 21:02:43 GMT
You are absolutely right, higher kw means more heat output.. in theory.. but the amount one burns in any given time period makes a huge difference I've found and some stoves appear to get through more. I know a couple of installers who both say some 5kw units put out significantly more heat than do others. The 5kw and under units don't require a ventilation test on the room, I think, so tend to be installed more often. Cheers, if you don't mind me asking what model have you got? And is it one of the ones that your installer has said chucks out more heat??? Yes it is but I dont remember it's name.. I'll see if I can find the receipt and let you know. |
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Post by AlliG on Jan 27, 2023 12:02:13 GMT
Looking at idea of having a small log burner installed 5kw output as a secondary heat source, it’s for a back room we tend to use more so in the winter that overlooks the garden and fields. The model we’re looking at is the clear view pioneer 400p due to its measurements and looks. There seems to be all sorts of goings on about what you can and can’t burn, clear air areas, what certifications you need and even talk of a total ban on such things, with new legislation coming May 23. So confused as these things aren’t cheap and installation running into many thousands of pounds, not sure if it’s worth the hassle for what basically will be a decoration for 2/3 of the year The one suggestion I would make is not to get one with a small door, otherwise you will be very limited with the size of logs you can use. My Mum has quite a small log burner and it is almost impossible to get logs longer than about 10" through the door. (It is easy to split logs but much harder work to cut them shorter!) |
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Post by NassauDave on Jan 27, 2023 15:59:52 GMT
Thought my log was burning this morning.
Gotta ease up on the Thai chilli paste.
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Post by Dutchpeter on Jan 27, 2023 16:31:59 GMT
Surely if more people buy log burners then it’s hideously bad for the environment? Smoke pollution, no doubt our poor trees will be getting hacked at to provide free logs. I suppose this can be offset by driving around in an environmentally friendly SUV the size of a transit van to assuage your fears on environmental damage. Having already had a clean air act in the 1950s log burners must be certs for abolition.
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