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Post by cobhamstokey on Jan 16, 2023 21:36:18 GMT
What do you thinks the best course of action then? and how would you expect it to play out? Value key workers. Don't give 7 Billion to bankers, distribute it elsewhere. There really is more than enough money about. Its about choices. My biggest gripe with your posts and the battles you seem to want to fight though Cobbers is that you never seem see this as a problem but teachers you seem to want to work as a form of charity! I have a lot of issues with the government believe me. Just because I’m not a fan of strikes or violent/destructive protest it doesn’t mean that I don’t believe they should be accountable for the almighty mess they’ve got the country in or for there corruption. I think the problem on here is that unless you’re a socialist, Corbynite or not in love with Mick Lynch you’re classed as a right wing tory lover which simply isn’t the case. My main gripes are that I don’t generally believe strikes will work with the government as they’re so hard nosed they won’t budge and the only people that will suffer will be in the case of teachers the children and with the nurses those needing medical help. Call me naive but have the rail strikes achieved anything to date other than causing disruption for people wanting to travel. From what I’m reading the parties are just too far apart to settle on an agreement. As I said earlier I think if those striking all got together in huge numbers and conducted a peaceful protest visually it would demonstrate a far more visible show of strength to both the government and the public without upsetting the latter if they are potentially affected by strike action. I don’t have an issue with the government distributing wealth more evenly to the likes of nurses, teachers, fire, army and Police I just don’t think strikes will work and get the public onside. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 16, 2023 21:37:30 GMT
One in six teachers currently quit within 12 months of qualifying.
A third of teachers leave within 5 years of qualifying.
Nearly 50% of teachers currently employed are hoping to leave the profession within the next 5 years.
What do you think is the best way to address this problem ... tell them all to go on a march?
They were quite happy reaping the rewards of the ridiculous furlough scheme. Bit oh no they actually have to go to work now. Ridiculous, give em a big pay rise so they can do the same again in 12 months. The private sector are told no to pay rises and that’s it and these are the people who worked through Covid to keep the economy going
I'll ask again, what do you think is the best way to address the problem?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jan 16, 2023 21:45:53 GMT
Value key workers. Don't give 7 Billion to bankers, distribute it elsewhere. There really is more than enough money about. Its about choices. My biggest gripe with your posts and the battles you seem to want to fight though Cobbers is that you never seem see this as a problem but teachers you seem to want to work as a form of charity! I have a lot of issues with the government believe me. Just because I’m not a fan of strikes or violent/destructive protest it doesn’t mean that I don’t believe they should be accountable for the almighty mess they’ve got the country in or for there corruption. I think the problem on here is that unless you’re a socialist, Corbynite or not in love with Mick Lynch you’re classed as a right wing tory lover which simply isn’t the case. My main gripes are that I don’t generally believe strikes will work with the government as they’re so hard nosed they won’t budge and the only people that will suffer will be in the case of teachers the children and with the nurses those needing medical help. Call me naive but have the rail strikes achieved anything to date other than causing disruption for people wanting to travel. From what I’m reading the parties are just too far apart to settle on an agreement. As I said earlier I think if those striking all got together in huge numbers and conducted a peaceful protest visually it would demonstrate a far more visible show of strength to both the government and the public without upsetting the latter if they are potentially affected by strike action. I don’t have an issue with the government distributing wealth more evenly to the likes of nurses, teachers, fire, army and Police I just don’t think strikes will work and get the public onside. What are your politics mate? Serious question. |
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Post by cvillestokie on Jan 16, 2023 21:47:32 GMT
I really like the idea of free school meals. I don’t believe that they need to be government funded though. Local farms could chip in as could huge grocers that waste SO MUCH FOOD. As for reducing obesity; maybe if kids got off their arses and exercised once in a while, they’d be less fat? |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 16, 2023 21:51:04 GMT
They were quite happy reaping the rewards of the ridiculous furlough scheme. Bit oh no they actually have to go to work now. Ridiculous, give em a big pay rise so they can do the same again in 12 months. The private sector are told no to pay rises and that’s it and these are the people who worked through Covid to keep the economy going
I'll ask again, what do you think is the best way to address the problem?
Sorry Paul I missed the question. To me the best way to address the “problem” is to firstly tell teachers who’ve leached off furlough to get back to work and organise a mass demonstration in their own time if they feel so passionately about it. Downing Street maybe? 20k plus, that’d make the government pay attention and I’m sure there’d be many of the general public joining. Striking kind of defeats the object of what they’re trying to do, it just prolongs everything much like the rail and Royal Mail strikes. Remember the poll tax demonstrations? Put the government on the back foot physically, normal people are suffering through months of negotiation |
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Post by JoeinOz on Jan 16, 2023 21:53:19 GMT
Are teachers in private schools going on strike?
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Post by henry on Jan 16, 2023 21:54:59 GMT
Are teachers in private schools going on strike? Are brick layers and barbers going on strike ? |
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Post by wannabee on Jan 16, 2023 21:55:21 GMT
it's the way this country is heading everybody no matter there job roles have had enough of been taken advantage of off this shit house of a fucking corrupt government who have made alot of there own even more wealthier... Fair enough the govt are a shambles but what about the kids missing out on there education. Collateral damage? Isn’t teaching a vocation not just a job. Vocation versus Job is a Trope Liberaly dispersed by Government Ministers to justify underfunding Education and Helthcare and underpaying the Professionals that work in those Professions By continuing to accept understaffing and underfunding for Education and Heathcare does a long term disservice to those who need to avail of those Services To answer a later post of yours Upwards of 2M protested on the Streets of London yet almost half of the Labour Party and practically all of the Conservative Party still voted to go to War. The latest tactic is to have "quiet" protests or be arrested |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 16, 2023 21:56:10 GMT
I'll ask again, what do you think is the best way to address the problem?
Sorry Paul I missed the question. To me the best way to address the “problem” is to firstly tell teachers who’ve leached off furlough to get back to work and organise a mass demonstration in their own time if they feel so passionately about it. Downing Street maybe? 20k plus, that’d make the government pay attention and I’m sure there’d be many of the general public joining. Striking kind of defeats the object of what they’re trying to do, it just prolongs everything much like the rail and Royal Mail strikes. Remember the poll tax demonstrations? Put the government on the back foot physically, normal people are suffering through months of negotiation
No, what I meant was, how do we stop teachers leaving the profession in such large numbers?
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Post by lordb on Jan 16, 2023 21:59:02 GMT
All for having large scale protests
good idea
But as well as striking not instead of
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Post by henry on Jan 16, 2023 21:59:14 GMT
Sorry Paul I missed the question. To me the best way to address the “problem” is to firstly tell teachers who’ve leached off furlough to get back to work and organise a mass demonstration in their own time if they feel so passionately about it. Downing Street maybe? 20k plus, that’d make the government pay attention and I’m sure there’d be many of the general public joining. Striking kind of defeats the object of what they’re trying to do, it just prolongs everything much like the rail and Royal Mail strikes. Remember the poll tax demonstrations? Put the government on the back foot physically, normal people are suffering through months of negotiation No, what I meant was, how do we stop teachers leaving the profession in such large numbers?
Give them 60k a year, if that doesn't work 80k, cut off at 100k maybe. |
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Post by JoeinOz on Jan 16, 2023 21:59:41 GMT
Are teachers in private schools going on strike? Are brick layers and barbers going on strike ? So you don't know? |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 16, 2023 22:01:49 GMT
No, what I meant was, how do we stop teachers leaving the profession in such large numbers?
Give them 60k a year, if that doesn't work 80k, cut off at 100k maybe.
I think it could be achieved for a lot less than that Henry.
They've taken a pay cut over the last 12 years.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 16, 2023 22:06:59 GMT
Are teachers in private schools going on strike? Are brick layers and barbers going on strike ?
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jan 16, 2023 22:07:05 GMT
I have a lot of issues with the government believe me. Just because I’m not a fan of strikes or violent/destructive protest it doesn’t mean that I don’t believe they should be accountable for the almighty mess they’ve got the country in or for there corruption. I think the problem on here is that unless you’re a socialist, Corbynite or not in love with Mick Lynch you’re classed as a right wing tory lover which simply isn’t the case. My main gripes are that I don’t generally believe strikes will work with the government as they’re so hard nosed they won’t budge and the only people that will suffer will be in the case of teachers the children and with the nurses those needing medical help. Call me naive but have the rail strikes achieved anything to date other than causing disruption for people wanting to travel. From what I’m reading the parties are just too far apart to settle on an agreement. As I said earlier I think if those striking all got together in huge numbers and conducted a peaceful protest visually it would demonstrate a far more visible show of strength to both the government and the public without upsetting the latter if they are potentially affected by strike action. I don’t have an issue with the government distributing wealth more evenly to the likes of nurses, teachers, fire, army and Police I just don’t think strikes will work and get the public onside. What are your politics mate? Serious question. I’m a floating voter. I’ve voted for all 3 major parties at one time or another. I don’t believe that you should vote for a political party because that’s “who I’ve always voted for” but for who you think is best for the country as a whole at that time. I’d say I’m politically homeless as I don’t really have confidence in any of the main parties but as things stand there’s no way I’d vote Tory as they’re corrupt and an embarrassment. I don’t mind Kier Starmer but he needs to grow a set and be tougher as he comes across a bit wet but as it stands he’ll get my vote in the next election. Morally I’d say I’m independent as I like to know my own mind. What I would say is my main driving force is that people should be rewarded for working hard and that I’ll respect anybody who does there best with what they’ve got in life and is a grafter. I don’t like people who play the system rich or poor. I do believe that people should be rewarded appropriately and that money should be evenly spread which isn’t happening at the moment but that we also need to appreciate that times are tough and you can’t always get what you want but in the same respect if the moneys there spend it on the right people. |
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Post by henry on Jan 16, 2023 22:08:43 GMT
I wonder how public sector workers would react if all private sector workers started downing tools.
Boiler broke - tough shit
Car broke down - tough shit
Shelves empty - tough shit
Amazon driver not turned up - tough shit
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Post by henry on Jan 16, 2023 22:11:56 GMT
Are brick layers and barbers going on strike ? The brickies iv'e known over the years don't earn 50k  |
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jan 16, 2023 22:12:05 GMT
Fair enough the govt are a shambles but what about the kids missing out on there education. Collateral damage? Isn’t teaching a vocation not just a job. Vocation versus Job is a Trope Liberaly dispersed by Government Ministers to justify underfunding Education and Helthcare and underpaying the Professionals that work in those Professions By continuing to accept understaffing and underfunding for Education and Heathcare does a long term disservice to those who need to avail of those Services To answer a later post of yours Upwards of 2M protested on the Streets of London yet almost half of the Labour Party and practically all of the Conservative Party still voted to go to War. The latest tactic is to have "quiet" protests or be arrested Different times. I think you’re underestimating the impact of social media and 100s of channels have on the powers that be. 1939 was a long time ago. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 16, 2023 22:12:06 GMT
I wonder how public sector workers would react if all private sector workers started downing tools. Boiler broke - tough shit Car broke down - tough shit Shelves empty - tough shit Amazon driver not turned up - tough shit If I worked in the public sector (I don’t) I’d support their right to strike 100%. Especially Amazon workers who are treated shoddily……….. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 16, 2023 22:18:00 GMT
The brickies iv'e known over the years don't earn 50k
Some in London earn double that.
The point is, that Brickies aren't going on strike because they haven't had a year by year cut in their wages over the last 12 years, whereas teachers have had.
Teachers are leaving the profession in their droves because they can get work elsewhere, that has better pay and conditions. Burying our head in the sand and telling them to go on march isn't going to change the reality of the situation.
As a nation we've invested heavily in their teacher training and then we just let that investment go up in smoke because the wages we pay them are so shitty, how stupid does that actually sound?
It's our kids we're talking about here.
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Post by wannabee on Jan 16, 2023 22:18:25 GMT
Vocation versus Job is a Trope Liberaly dispersed by Government Ministers to justify underfunding Education and Helthcare and underpaying the Professionals that work in those Professions By continuing to accept understaffing and underfunding for Education and Heathcare does a long term disservice to those who need to avail of those Services To answer a later post of yours Upwards of 2M protested on the Streets of London yet almost half of the Labour Party and practically all of the Conservative Party still voted to go to War. The latest tactic is to have "quiet" protests or be arrested Different times. I think you’re underestimating the impact of social media and 100s of channels have on the powers that be. 1939 was a long time ago. Wrong War, try Iraq |
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jan 16, 2023 22:21:40 GMT
Different times. I think you’re underestimating the impact of social media and 100s of channels have on the powers that be. 1939 was a long time ago. Wrong War, try Iraq Lol just testing. Same applies though even in that time things have changed re social media and the news networks |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 16, 2023 22:25:46 GMT
Sorry Paul I missed the question. To me the best way to address the “problem” is to firstly tell teachers who’ve leached off furlough to get back to work and organise a mass demonstration in their own time if they feel so passionately about it. Downing Street maybe? 20k plus, that’d make the government pay attention and I’m sure there’d be many of the general public joining. Striking kind of defeats the object of what they’re trying to do, it just prolongs everything much like the rail and Royal Mail strikes. Remember the poll tax demonstrations? Put the government on the back foot physically, normal people are suffering through months of negotiation
No, what I meant was, how do we stop teachers leaving the profession in such large numbers?
Maybe they need their own teachers to tell them to stop being such utter vaginas about going to work. I know teachers, they moan relentlessly, not about pay but that can’t be arsed to mark work on an evening so decide it’s best to ruin everyone’s Weekend by doing it. Personally I work all day, being doing 13 hour shifts lately whilst being paid for 8 hours a day because I’m salaried, it won’t be forever, just a few weeks. I do it because I want the company to do well and I don’t want the public to be disappointed. These fuckers profess to do the job out of love then walk away at the first sign of a public strike by others. It’s a bandwagon |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 16, 2023 22:32:26 GMT
No, what I meant was, how do we stop teachers leaving the profession in such large numbers?
Maybe they need their own teachers to tell them to stop being such utter vaginas about going to work. I know teachers, they moan relentlessly, not about pay but that can’t be arsed to mark work on an evening so decide it’s best to ruin everyone’s Weekend by doing it. Personally I work all day, being doing 13 hour shifts lately whilst being paid for 8 hours a day because I’m salaried, it won’t be forever, just a few weeks. I do it because I want the company to do well and I don’t want the public to be disappointed. These fuckers profess to do the job out of love then walk away at the first sign of a public strike by others. It’s a bandwagon
Yep, telling teachers to stop being such utter vaginas, is going to do the trick, it's the obvious solution.
If you could get a job that paid you better wages and gave you better working conditions, don't you feel you should be allowed to go for it?
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jan 16, 2023 22:34:06 GMT
Bit of light relief
Carry on at your convenience
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 16, 2023 22:36:17 GMT
Maybe they need their own teachers to tell them to stop being such utter vaginas about going to work. I know teachers, they moan relentlessly, not about pay but that can’t be arsed to mark work on an evening so decide it’s best to ruin everyone’s Weekend by doing it. Personally I work all day, being doing 13 hour shifts lately whilst being paid for 8 hours a day because I’m salaried, it won’t be forever, just a few weeks. I do it because I want the company to do well and I don’t want the public to be disappointed. These fuckers profess to do the job out of love then walk away at the first sign of a public strike by others. It’s a bandwagon
Yep, telling teachers to stop being such utter vaginas, is going to do the trick, it's the obvious solution.
If you could get a job that paid you better wages and gave you better working conditions, don't you feel you should be allowed to go for it?
Why, what jobs are teachers landing? Excuse my ignorance |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 16, 2023 22:42:41 GMT
Yep, telling teachers to stop being such utter vaginas, is going to do the trick, it's the obvious solution. If you could get a job that paid you better wages and gave you better working conditions, don't you feel you should be allowed to go for it?
Why, what jobs are teachers landing? Excuse my ignorance That was the question you responded to earlier ... One in six teachers currently quit within 12 months of qualifying. A third of teachers leave within 5 years of qualifying. Nearly 50% of teachers currently employed are hoping to leave the profession within the next 5 years. What do you think is the best way to address this problem ... tell them all to go on a march?
They're leaving the teaching profession in their droves because they can support themselves with jobs that have better pay and/or conditions.
What are we going to do about it?
From that leftie news channel GB News, if you've got a min, it might be a worth having a scan through some of the comments ...
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Post by wannabee on Jan 16, 2023 22:44:43 GMT
Lol just testing. Same applies though even in that time things have changed re social media and the news networks If you say so Again to answer another of your posts Where your reside a vote for Monica Harding would be far more effective than a Vote for the Labour Candidate to maybe get rid of The Rabbster |
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Jan 16, 2023 22:51:49 GMT
No, what I meant was, how do we stop teachers leaving the profession in such large numbers?
Maybe they need their own teachers to tell them to stop being such utter vaginas about going to work. I know teachers, they moan relentlessly, not about pay but that can’t be arsed to mark work on an evening so decide it’s best to ruin everyone’s Weekend by doing it. Personally I work all day, being doing 13 hour shifts lately whilst being paid for 8 hours a day because I’m salaried, it won’t be forever, just a few weeks. I do it because I want the company to do well and I don’t want the public to be disappointed. These fuckers profess to do the job out of love then walk away at the first sign of a public strike by others. It’s a bandwagon Working an extra 5 hours a day for no pay? I'd recommend joining a Union... |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 16, 2023 22:55:18 GMT
Why, what jobs are teachers landing? Excuse my ignorance That was the question you responded to earlier ... One in six teachers currently quit within 12 months of qualifying. A third of teachers leave within 5 years of qualifying. Nearly 50% of teachers currently employed are hoping to leave the profession within the next 5 years. What do you think is the best way to address this problem ... tell them all to go on a march?
They're leaving the teaching profession in their droves because they can support themselves with jobs that have better pay and/or conditions.
What are we going to do about it?
From that leftie news channel GB News, if you've got a min, it might be a worth having a scan through some of the comments ...
What jobs? |
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