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Post by cvillestokie on Dec 18, 2022 22:46:19 GMT
If we play 3 at the back I'd go for Taylor...Souttar...Fox. I know Jags can still do a job, but he is 40 FFS!  We need to part company with Jagileka in January, time to move on….. When trying to develop players (Souttar, Taylor, Wilmot) having Jagielka in the squad on a (likely) basic wage is a no-brainer for me. Not one of those players has played regularly with anyone who has half the career Jagielka has had. |
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Post by shakermaker on Dec 19, 2022 0:26:29 GMT
We need to part company with Jagileka in January, time to move on….. I reckon he’ll sign a contract until the end of the season He already has a contract till 2025. Ball’s in our court to either make him skipper, give him a pay rise and make it clear we want to build a team around him, or we ensure we get no less than £25M for him. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 19, 2022 6:18:35 GMT
I reckon he’ll sign a contract until the end of the season He already has a contract till 2025. Ball’s in our court to either make him skipper, give him a pay rise and make it clear we want to build a team around him, or we ensure we get no less than £25M for him. We were on about Jagielka there….. |
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Post by J-Roar on Dec 19, 2022 7:14:20 GMT
I reckon he’ll sign a contract until the end of the season He already has a contract till 2025. Ball’s in our court to either make him skipper, give him a pay rise and make it clear we want to build a team around him, or we ensure we get no less than £25M for him. Seems a strange strategy for a 40 year old 🤣 |
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Post by shakermaker on Dec 19, 2022 11:46:35 GMT
He already has a contract till 2025. Ball’s in our court to either make him skipper, give him a pay rise and make it clear we want to build a team around him, or we ensure we get no less than £25M for him. Seems a strange strategy for a 40 year old 🤣 Eeeeuuuurrgh! This is why it gets confusing talking about players different from the title of the thread. But yes, extending Jags to the end of the season sounds wholly sensible given how well he has performed. Would happily release Flint if he and a League One club can come to some arrangement. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 21, 2022 11:23:56 GMT
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Post by skemstokie on Dec 21, 2022 15:53:04 GMT
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Post by nonameface on Dec 21, 2022 19:16:49 GMT
Lets hope their deals are as big as he is. |
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Post by gawa on Dec 21, 2022 23:55:59 GMT
tachyon do you have any stats which show our win rate with and without Souttar over the last few seasons? Or better still win/lose/draw and average goals conceded/scored and cleansheet %
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Post by tachyon on Dec 22, 2022 16:40:35 GMT
tachyon do you have any stats which show our win rate with and without Souttar over the last few seasons? Or better still win/lose/draw and average goals conceded/scored and cleansheet % Stoke's goal difference was 0.02 per 90 better with Souttar than without last season. So virtually no difference. With/without stats are popular, but often hugely flawed. They work fine in the NBA where lineups change within the game quite frequently and scoring is relentless. They don't really work in football, where scoring is rare and lineups tend to be more consistent. Souttar's obviously very good, but I wouldn't be using our record prior to his 2022/23 return and in the three games after as a huge piece of evidence. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 23, 2022 10:02:56 GMT
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 23, 2022 13:54:52 GMT
What's a realistic fee?
Age 24
Contracted until 2025
In terms of Champ-Prem moves...
The only big recent centre-half seems to be Adam Webster, who went from Bristol City to Brighton for about £20m in 2019
And didn't we end up with about £15m for Collins in the end with the sell-on %?
And his value had increased to £20.5 in 2021 after a season at Burnley
Maddison (2018) , Bowen (2020), Maupay (2019), Bowen (2020) went for about 20 - and Watkins went for about 28, rising to 33 (2020) - and Benrahma ended up costing West Ham about the same.
Lewis-Potter went for about 16 last summer.
Djed Spence cost £12.5 rising to 20
And Adam Armstrong 15.
Ben White cost £50m, but had the one season in the Prem back at Brighton and had played for England.
What kind of fee would get us to pick the phone up?
Low-20s?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 23, 2022 14:05:31 GMT
What's a realistic fee? Age 24 Contracted until 2025 In terms of Champ-Prem moves... The only big recent centre-half seems to be Adam Webster, who went from Bristol City to Brighton for about £20m in 2019 And didn't we end up with about £15m for Collins in the end with the sell-on %? And his value had increased to £20.5 in 2021 after a season at Burnley Maddison (2018) , Bowen (2020), Maupay (2019), Bowen (2020) went for about 20 - and Watkins went for about 28, rising to 33 (2020) - and Benrahma ended up costing West Ham about the same. Lewis-Potter went for about 16 last summer. Djed Spence cost £12.5 rising to 20 And Adam Armstrong 15. Ben White cost £50m, but had the one season in the Prem back at Brighton and had played for England. What kind of fee would get us to pick the phone up? Low-20s? £20m as a starting point and hopefully a bidding war will ensue..... |
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Post by hotpot on Dec 25, 2022 22:39:56 GMT
Anything beyond 40 million pounds or more is a fair price for Harry ....
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 25, 2022 22:43:14 GMT
Anything beyond 40 million pounds or more is a fair price for Harry .... Do you actually believe we’d get anything over 20m? And that’s if we’re really lucky. |
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Post by lordb on Dec 25, 2022 22:52:43 GMT
Anything beyond 40 million pounds or more is a fair price for Harry .... Do you actually believe we’d get anything over 20m? And that’s if we’re really lucky. If relegation threatened Everton are buying than talking them into North of £20m should be a piece of piss Same if West Ham Spurs would be harder |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 25, 2022 23:08:05 GMT
Do you actually believe we’d get anything over 20m? And that’s if we’re really lucky. If relegation threatened Everton are buying than talking them into North of £20m should be a piece of piss Same if West Ham Spurs would be harder I just don’t see it. Nothing suggests that’s even a remote possibility. |
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Post by lordb on Dec 25, 2022 23:22:56 GMT
If relegation threatened Everton are buying than talking them into North of £20m should be a piece of piss Same if West Ham Spurs would be harder I just don’t see it. Nothing suggests that’s even a remote possibility. reports saying clubs are interested this window Surely it's most likely to be clubs at the bottom panicking? As such those clubs are likely to push the boat out Basic negotiation skills required Now Scholes has gone it's a clean slate, this would be first test when it comes to selling an assest £40m seems fanciful agreed but £20m is acheiveble Bound to be a highly structured deal However if its a Spurs then they would low ball us but he's under contract |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Dec 25, 2022 23:26:13 GMT
Obviously the more successful Stoke are the more his value rises. At the moment I think we’re looking at around 15m but a strong second half of the season could see that rise up to 20m providing he stays reasonably injury free. Can’t see any more than 15-20m this season at least
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Post by Gary Hackett on Dec 26, 2022 0:00:27 GMT
I just don’t see it. Nothing suggests that’s even a remote possibility. reports saying clubs are interested this window Surely it's most likely to be clubs at the bottom panicking? As such those clubs are likely to push the boat out Basic negotiation skills required Now Scholes has gone it's a clean slate, this would be first test when it comes to selling an assest £40m seems fanciful agreed but £20m is acheiveble Bound to be a highly structured deal However if its a Spurs then they would low ball us but he's under contract Spurs aren't interested. |
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Post by liathroid on Dec 26, 2022 0:12:36 GMT
Do you actually believe we’d get anything over 20m? And that’s if we’re really lucky. If relegation threatened Everton are buying than talking them into North of £20m should be a piece of piss Same if West Ham Spurs would be harder Everton could struggle , if they dont sell, not many left now |
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Post by hotpot on Dec 26, 2022 4:40:24 GMT
Personally, I think Harry should go to Italy or Spain.
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Dec 26, 2022 6:37:54 GMT
Personally, I think Harry should go to Italy or Spain. Any reason? Do you think he's too slow for the Premier league? I certainly can't understand why you think Spain or Italy would be a better option. |
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Post by lordb on Dec 26, 2022 9:06:42 GMT
reports saying clubs are interested this window Surely it's most likely to be clubs at the bottom panicking? As such those clubs are likely to push the boat out Basic negotiation skills required Now Scholes has gone it's a clean slate, this would be first test when it comes to selling an assest £40m seems fanciful agreed but £20m is acheiveble Bound to be a highly structured deal However if its a Spurs then they would low ball us but he's under contract Spurs aren't interested. Been reported they are, just going off that Be delighted if he stays |
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Post by pretzel on Dec 26, 2022 11:14:58 GMT
reports saying clubs are interested this window Surely it's most likely to be clubs at the bottom panicking? As such those clubs are likely to push the boat out Basic negotiation skills required Now Scholes has gone it's a clean slate, this would be first test when it comes to selling an assest £40m seems fanciful agreed but £20m is acheiveble Bound to be a highly structured deal However if its a Spurs then they would low ball us but he's under contract We should open any discussions with Spurs with their valuation of Eric Wimmer, then work upwards from there |
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Post by SuperRickyFuller on Dec 26, 2022 11:20:00 GMT
reports saying clubs are interested this window Surely it's most likely to be clubs at the bottom panicking? As such those clubs are likely to push the boat out Basic negotiation skills required Now Scholes has gone it's a clean slate, this would be first test when it comes to selling an assest £40m seems fanciful agreed but £20m is acheiveble Bound to be a highly structured deal However if its a Spurs then they would low ball us but he's under contract We should open any discussions with Spurs with their valuation of Eric Wimmer, then work upwards from there Is he any relation to former Spurs and Stoke defender Kevin Wimmer? |
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Post by Gary Hackett on Dec 26, 2022 12:27:02 GMT
Been reported they are, just going off that Be delighted if he stays He may go but it won't be to Spurs. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 26, 2022 13:04:40 GMT
He was terrible against Spurs in the cup when we played. You have to imagine that factors in to any decision.
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Post by lordb on Dec 26, 2022 13:10:15 GMT
He was terrible against Spurs in the cup when we played. You have to imagine that factors in to any decision. Given they had changed manager since then that's much less of a factor |
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Post by pretzel on Dec 26, 2022 13:47:15 GMT
We should open any discussions with Spurs with their valuation of Eric Wimmer, then work upwards from there Is he any relation to former Spurs and Stoke defender Kevin Wimmer? I've obviously done a better job of forgetting him than I had hoped  |
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