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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 10, 2022 23:31:01 GMT
Powell is our best player by a mile! Said nobody ever. He’s been flat on his back on the treatment table for nearly 2 years. Get a grip. Said anyone who’s seen him and his impact on the side since he signed.
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Post by independent on Dec 10, 2022 23:32:06 GMT
He could be.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Dec 10, 2022 23:32:20 GMT
I haven't mate I've realised we must have been watching a completely different game to one another so there's no point in carrying it on. I even put a fucking winky face ffs. 🤦♂️ I know mate 👍 you thought Thompson was wank I thought he did ok, it's all about opinions, be wank if we all thought the same.
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Post by roylandstoke on Dec 10, 2022 23:32:39 GMT
Play him upfront or not at all.
Like most of the team he looked unfit.
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Post by matelot1996 on Dec 10, 2022 23:33:24 GMT
Say what you want about his cameo today or about him and his character full stop, but there is a fact you can take to the bank and that fact is we look a far better side with a fit and motivated Powell playing at the top of his game. That responsibility is on both the player and manager. Playing him in central midfield got very little out of him under Michael O'Neill and it will get very little out of him under Alex Neil. We may well get rid of him, and some may celebrate that day but it is an early black mark against this manager for me and a clear indicator of the type of player he will want and tolerate going forwards. I said it under Tony Pulis and I'll say it now under Alex Neil. I pay my hard earned to watch proper footballers play committed football and not kickers and plodders traipsing around a football pitch impersonating. Get the footballers we do have in our squad into the team and in their proper positions please Alex. Frankly, it's what you are paid to do. A “Fit and Motivated” Powell ?? That is living in the past, especially if you add “consistently” into the equation. That player checked out months if not years ago. Let’s Move on eh, we are doing nobody any favours by prolonging the agony of expecting NP to be the answer to our problems.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 10, 2022 23:33:56 GMT
Play him upfront or not at all. Like most of the team he looked unfit. He looked lost in a system that made no sense. Why would you play a midfield of Thompson Smallbone and Powell? It makes no sense.
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Post by matelot1996 on Dec 10, 2022 23:34:19 GMT
Said nobody ever. He’s been flat on his back on the treatment table for nearly 2 years. Get a grip. Seems to me that you're measuring player with most ability by minutes on the pitch. He was finished ages ago. Move on.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 10, 2022 23:36:04 GMT
Say what you want about his cameo today or about him and his character full stop, but there is a fact you can take to the bank and that fact is we look a far better side with a fit and motivated Powell playing at the top of his game. That responsibility is on both the player and manager. Playing him in central midfield got very little out of him under Michael O'Neill and it will get very little out of him under Alex Neil. We may well get rid of him, and some may celebrate that day but it is an early black mark against this manager for me and a clear indicator of the type of player he will want and tolerate going forwards. I said it under Tony Pulis and I'll say it now under Alex Neil. I pay my hard earned to watch proper footballers play committed football and not kickers and plodders traipsing around a football pitch impersonating. Get the footballers we do have in our squad into the team and in their proper positions please Alex. Frankly, it's what you are paid to do. A “Fit and Motivated” Powell ?? That is living in the past, especially if you add “consistently” into the equation. That player checked out months if not years ago. Let’s Move on eh, we are doing nobody any favours by prolonging the agony of expecting NP to be the answer to our problems. In what way has he ‘checked out’?
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Post by matelot1996 on Dec 10, 2022 23:51:26 GMT
A “Fit and Motivated” Powell ?? That is living in the past, especially if you add “consistently” into the equation. That player checked out months if not years ago. Let’s Move on eh, we are doing nobody any favours by prolonging the agony of expecting NP to be the answer to our problems. In what way has he ‘checked out’? When he walked of the pitch "injured" prior to the world Cup I argued he was never injured, in any form of pain or impeded. You could see he had little interest in staying on the pitch and contributing. He wanted his comfort blanket and treatment table. He has miraculously recovered in this short period. If he ever had "it" he has certainly now lost "it". Get rid.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 10, 2022 23:52:02 GMT
In what way has he ‘checked out’? When he walked of the pitch "uninjured" prior to the world Cup I argued he was never injured, in any form of pain or impeded. You could see he had little interest in staying on the pitch and contributing. He wanted his comfort blanket and treatment table. He has miraculously recovered in this short period. If he ever had "it" he has certainly now list "it". Get rid. That’s absolute baseless nonsense though isn’t it?
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Post by chiprockets on Dec 10, 2022 23:52:53 GMT
When he walked of the pitch "uninjured" prior to the world Cup I argued he was never injured, in any form of pain or impeded. You could see he had little interest in staying on the pitch and contributing. He wanted his comfort blanket and treatment table. He has miraculously recovered in this short period. If he ever had "it" he has certainly now list "it". Get rid. That’s absolute baseless nonsense though isn’t it? yeah but it suits his not interested, move on angle- so who knows, could be true
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 10, 2022 23:54:31 GMT
That’s absolute baseless nonsense though isn’t it? yeah but it suits his not interested, move on angle- so who knows, could be true I don’t get the ‘not interested’ thing, it’s up there with ‘he hates Stoke’ and ‘he was living it up in Bali instead of training’, just made up shit from weirdos who don’t trust creative players.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 10, 2022 23:56:55 GMT
yeah but it suits his not interested, move on angle- so who knows, could be true I don’t get the ‘not interested’ thing, it’s up there with ‘he hates Stoke’ and ‘he was living it up in Bali instead of training’, just made up shit from weirdos who don’t trust creative players. I mean he wasn’t great today but I’m still lost what it was he didn’t do today? He wanted the ball, used it well enough but it didn’t change anything. Which is annoying but happens. I’m really struggling.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 10, 2022 23:58:57 GMT
I don’t get the ‘not interested’ thing, it’s up there with ‘he hates Stoke’ and ‘he was living it up in Bali instead of training’, just made up shit from weirdos who don’t trust creative players. I mean he wasn’t great today but I’m still lost what it was he didn’t do today? He wanted the ball, used it well enough but it didn’t change anything. Which is annoying but happens. I’m really struggling. Yeah he wasn’t great but I don’t get the idea he wasn’t interested. He chased back and made tackles, he played at least one killer pass, he got involved, he just wasn’t especially effective.
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Post by chiprockets on Dec 10, 2022 23:59:06 GMT
yeah but it suits his not interested, move on angle- so who knows, could be true I don’t get the ‘not interested’ thing, it’s up there with ‘he hates Stoke’ and ‘he was living it up in Bali instead of training’, just made up shit from weirdos who don’t trust creative players. was being facetious tbf it is a load of bollocks, some poster has it in for him, so constructs a story around it to confirm their views
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Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 10, 2022 23:59:10 GMT
Whatever we think of Powell as a player, one things for sure any contract he gets offered from the club will be at a massively reduced wage. As good as he can be, the niggly injuries and missed games are becoming a problem specially as one of our highest earners at the club…….
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Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 10, 2022 23:59:42 GMT
I don’t get the ‘not interested’ thing, it’s up there with ‘he hates Stoke’ and ‘he was living it up in Bali instead of training’, just made up shit from weirdos who don’t trust creative players. I mean he wasn’t great today but I’m still lost what it was he didn’t do today? He wanted the ball, used it well enough but it didn’t change anything. Which is annoying but happens. I’m really struggling. The fancy flick when we were in a really good attacking position was criminal……
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Post by chiprockets on Dec 11, 2022 0:02:03 GMT
Whatever we think of Powell as a player, one things for sure any contract he gets offered from the club will be at a massively reduced wage. As good as he can be, the niggly injuries and missed games are becoming a problem specially as one of our highest earners at the club……. yes, think thats fair to assume to he's higher earner, signed on a free when we'd still got prem relegation money also fair his injury record is a stick to beat him with, but don't think his relative talent vs the current squad is a problem like matelot is making out
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 11, 2022 0:03:14 GMT
I mean he wasn’t great today but I’m still lost what it was he didn’t do today? He wanted the ball, used it well enough but it didn’t change anything. Which is annoying but happens. I’m really struggling. The fancy flick when we were in a really good attacking position was criminal…… Honestly can’t remember that sorry. When was that?
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Post by matelot1996 on Dec 11, 2022 0:05:05 GMT
When he walked of the pitch "uninjured" prior to the world Cup I argued he was never injured, in any form of pain or impeded. You could see he had little interest in staying on the pitch and contributing. He wanted his comfort blanket and treatment table. He has miraculously recovered in this short period. If he ever had "it" he has certainly now list "it". Get rid. That’s absolute baseless nonsense though isn’t it? No, it's subjective unless you have tangible evidence to the contrary about his character? Please disprove my theory that he is a walking sicknote and has no active future in the game as a valuable, mostly ever-present player. Stoke are not doing him or themselves any favours by prolonging the agony. Get Rid.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 11, 2022 0:08:15 GMT
That’s absolute baseless nonsense though isn’t it? No, it's subjective unless you have tangible evidence to the contrary about his character? Please disprove my theory that he is a walking sicknote and has no active future in the game as a valuable, mostly ever-present player. Stoke are not doing him or themselves any favours by prolonging the agony. Get Rid. Subjective and baseless aren’t mutually exclusive. The burden of proof isn’t on me, it’s on you as the person claiming he’s malingering. He’s injury-prone over the last couple of season for sure but has still shown his value when he has played on the whole and we don’t have anyone as influential as him. I’m fairly certain he’s on his way in the summer but we need to get him on the pitch as often as possible in his best position between now and then. He’s quite literally the least of our problems.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 11, 2022 0:10:01 GMT
The fancy flick when we were in a really good attacking position was criminal…… Honestly can’t remember that sorry. When was that? Just before his absolutely abysmal shot when their keeper was caught in no mans land……
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Post by chiprockets on Dec 11, 2022 0:12:13 GMT
That’s absolute baseless nonsense though isn’t it? No, it's subjective unless you have tangible evidence to the contrary about his character? Please disprove my theory that he is a walking sicknote and has no active future in the game as a valuable, mostly ever-present player. Stoke are not doing him or themselves any favours by prolonging the agony. Get Rid. how about your prove YOUR theory. thinking of something and then saying disprove it, that's not how intelligent people behave. if you have a theory, provide evidence. don't just think it and believe it. very trumpian.
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Post by matelot1996 on Dec 11, 2022 0:12:43 GMT
No, it's subjective unless you have tangible evidence to the contrary about his character? Please disprove my theory that he is a walking sicknote and has no active future in the game as a valuable, mostly ever-present player. Stoke are not doing him or themselves any favours by prolonging the agony. Get Rid. Subjective and baseless aren’t mutually exclusive. The burden of proof isn’t on me, it’s on you as the person claiming he’s malingering. He’s injury-prone over the last couple of season for sure but has still shown his value when he has played on the whole and we don’t have anyone as influential as him. I’m fairly certain he’s on his way in the summer but we need to get him on the pitch as often as possible in his best position between now and then. He’s quite literally the least of our problems. I didn't say he was our biggest problem. The problem is the ridiculous expectation and nostalgia around a player, OBVIOUSLY, at the end if his career.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 11, 2022 0:13:10 GMT
Honestly can’t remember that sorry. When was that? Just before his absolutely abysmal shot when their keeper was caught in no mans land…… Ahhhh yes. Now that shot was wank. Needed to go high. But I don’t expect any of our lot to score there. I can’t remember the flick still though sorry.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 11, 2022 0:17:05 GMT
Subjective and baseless aren’t mutually exclusive. The burden of proof isn’t on me, it’s on you as the person claiming he’s malingering. He’s injury-prone over the last couple of season for sure but has still shown his value when he has played on the whole and we don’t have anyone as influential as him. I’m fairly certain he’s on his way in the summer but we need to get him on the pitch as often as possible in his best position between now and then. He’s quite literally the least of our problems. I didn't say he was our biggest problem. The problem is the ridiculous expectation and nostalgia around a player, OBVIOUSLY, at the end if his career. He’s 28. Even this season with very little game time he’s got a couple of goals already. Putting the word ‘obviously’ in capitals is very silly.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Dec 11, 2022 0:22:19 GMT
He’ll be gone by May/June
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 11, 2022 0:24:15 GMT
He’ll be gone by May/June He likely will yes as he’s out of contract. Hopefully he can find some fitness between now and then and we can benefit from that.
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Post by matelot1996 on Dec 11, 2022 0:28:16 GMT
I didn't say he was our biggest problem. The problem is the ridiculous expectation and nostalgia around a player, OBVIOUSLY, at the end if his career. He’s 28. Even this season with very little game time he’s got a couple of goals already. Putting the word ‘obviously’ in capitals is very silly. Thinking NP will offer any positive contribution to our admittedly unrealistic ambitions past 2023/24 is very silly. He is almost done at this level. He may eek out a couple more years at Macclesfield after 2024 but that's it.
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Post by independent on Dec 11, 2022 1:50:17 GMT
No, it's subjective unless you have tangible evidence to the contrary about his character? Please disprove my theory that he is a walking sicknote and has no active future in the game as a valuable, mostly ever-present player. Stoke are not doing him or themselves any favours by prolonging the agony. Get Rid. Subjective and baseless aren’t mutually exclusive. The burden of proof isn’t on me, it’s on you as the person claiming he’s malingering. He’s injury-prone over the last couple of season for sure but has still shown his value when he has played on the whole and we don’t have anyone as influential as him. I’m fairly certain he’s on his way in the summer but we need to get him on the pitch as often as possible in his best position between now and then. He’s quite literally the least of our problems. I agree with most of what you say but wonder why you are changing your position regardinng him being injury prone. I seem to remember you last year denying that he was injury prone and listing the number of games he played and missed through injury. Or is my memory playing tricks on me?
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