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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 26, 2023 17:42:34 GMT
I mean it’s fine enough, but why dress it up as being about anything other than that? Why not just say “West Ham are offering me a weekly wage that will allow me to live the kind of life my current pauper’s wage of £70,000 a week won’t?” He could’ve done that and he didn’t. Not really relevant to the point your making but do you think he was worth the extra 30k and that in itself showed a lack of ambition? It wouldn’t just be that though would it, we had a wage structure and he’d only signed a bumper new deal the year before. Selling him would’ve been fine had we spent the money wisely rather than inexplicably spunking it on a centre back we didn’t need.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2023 17:49:18 GMT
I am wondering if and who we will be going for if we are in for a striker?. Stewart maybe now they have loaned Gelhardt if we've sold Souttar (big if)? I don't watch other championship teams but my lad does and he doesn't think Stewart is the right fit for what we want. More an all-round forward than a target man. They would want far too much for him anyway.
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Post by stokecitytalke on Jan 26, 2023 17:56:28 GMT
Stewart maybe now they have loaned Gelhardt if we've sold Souttar (big if)? I don't watch other championship teams but my lad does and he doesn't think Stewart is the right fit for what we want. More an all-round forward than a target man. They would want far too much for him anyway. You could be right. Just an idea with the Neil link.
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Post by haway on Jan 26, 2023 18:01:17 GMT
Stewart maybe now they have loaned Gelhardt if we've sold Souttar (big if)? I don't watch other championship teams but my lad does and he doesn't think Stewart is the right fit for what we want. More an all-round forward than a target man. They would want far too much for him anyway. If you’re after an out-and-out target man, then Stewart isn’t the type. Doesn’t win a big deal of aerial balls.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2023 18:08:55 GMT
Is that a negative thing? They have a “career” that lasts 10-15 years. In that time, many also want to “live the lifestyle”. You go where the most money allows as long as you can believe it won’t damage future earning potential. I mean it’s fine enough, but why dress it up as being about anything other than that? Why not just say “West Ham are offering me a weekly wage that will allow me to live the kind of life my current pauper’s wage of £70,000 a week won’t?” He could’ve done that and he didn’t. Because he knows it sounds ungrateful and despite being the truth, it’s not going to endear him to anyone. Stating ambition is a good way to excite a new fan base, even if it is tripe.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 26, 2023 18:16:37 GMT
I mean it’s fine enough, but why dress it up as being about anything other than that? Why not just say “West Ham are offering me a weekly wage that will allow me to live the kind of life my current pauper’s wage of £70,000 a week won’t?” He could’ve done that and he didn’t. Because he knows it sounds ungrateful and despite being the truth, it’s not going to endear him to anyone. Stating ambition is a good way to excite a new fan base, even if it is tripe. So he obviously saw something wrong with it then, as he was more comfortable giving a bullshit excuse than being honest.
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Post by robwahlmann on Jan 26, 2023 18:18:13 GMT
How much would we have to pay for Adebayo? He would be my preferred choice!
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Post by shakermaker on Jan 26, 2023 18:24:33 GMT
More bad news. I really rate this lad and had him down as someone we should bring in should we lose Harry. And to blimmin' Coventry as well! So on top of this, Hugill goes to Rotherham and Porteous probably going to Watford - three players who would have improved us instantly now out of reach. Hugill improve us 🤣🤣🤣🤣 As good a target man as you could find. Cardiff fans spoke very highly of him despite his own lack of goals. Our loss and Rotherham’s gain. I’d like to think it’s because we need to free up more wages. Guess Lyndon Dykes is all we have left to hope for now if we’re to get in a target man.
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Post by s7oke on Jan 26, 2023 18:30:19 GMT
As good a target man as you could find. Cardiff fans spoke very highly of him despite his own lack of goals. Our loss and Rotherham’s gain. I’d like to think it’s because we need to free up more wages. Guess Lyndon Dykes is all we have left to hope for now if we’re to get in a target man. What about lucky Pierre’s illegitimate love child
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jan 26, 2023 18:33:40 GMT
Because he knows it sounds ungrateful and despite being the truth, it’s not going to endear him to anyone. Stating ambition is a good way to excite a new fan base, even if it is tripe. So he obviously saw something wrong with it then, as he was more comfortable giving a bullshit excuse than being honest. Perhaps he wanted to "spend more time with his family". As if anyone would ever put a spin on why they were leaving .
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2023 18:34:31 GMT
Because he knows it sounds ungrateful and despite being the truth, it’s not going to endear him to anyone. Stating ambition is a good way to excite a new fan base, even if it is tripe. So he obviously saw something wrong with it then, as he was more comfortable giving a bullshit excuse than being honest. I don’t think he has to see anything wrong with it, but is he going to write an essay on the nuances of why he should earn as much money as he can before he gives up? He’s not going to give a long interview on it either. In the absence of that, it’s much more likeable to stout ambition than it is money. I personally hate how much footballers earn when it leads to clubs losing millions. That’s also on the clubs though, who constantly help to perpetuate this stupidity. I don’t hate footballers for making the most out of their short career when given the chance though.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 26, 2023 18:47:52 GMT
So he obviously saw something wrong with it then, as he was more comfortable giving a bullshit excuse than being honest. I don’t think he has to see anything wrong with it, but is he going to write an essay on the nuances of why he should earn as much money as he can before he gives up? He’s not going to give a long interview on it either. In the absence of that, it’s much more likeable to stout ambition than it is money. I personally hate how much footballers earn when it leads to clubs losing millions. That’s also on the clubs though, who constantly help to perpetuate this stupidity. I don’t hate footballers for making the most out of their short career when given the chance though. He didn’t need to write an essay, just be honest and then face the consequences of his actions.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 26, 2023 18:47:53 GMT
So he obviously saw something wrong with it then, as he was more comfortable giving a bullshit excuse than being honest. I don’t think he has to see anything wrong with it, but is he going to write an essay on the nuances of why he should earn as much money as he can before he gives up? He’s not going to give a long interview on it either. In the absence of that, it’s much more likeable to stout ambition than it is money. I personally hate how much footballers earn when it leads to clubs losing millions. That’s also on the clubs though, who constantly help to perpetuate this stupidity. I don’t hate footballers for making the most out of their short career when given the chance though. He didn’t need to write an essay, just be honest and then face the consequences of his actions.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jan 26, 2023 18:53:30 GMT
I don’t think he has to see anything wrong with it, but is he going to write an essay on the nuances of why he should earn as much money as he can before he gives up? He’s not going to give a long interview on it either. In the absence of that, it’s much more likeable to stout ambition than it is money. I personally hate how much footballers earn when it leads to clubs losing millions. That’s also on the clubs though, who constantly help to perpetuate this stupidity. I don’t hate footballers for making the most out of their short career when given the chance though. He didn’t need to write an essay, just be honest and then face the consequences of his actions. Really. I think they're all in the minds of football fans. What were they supposed to be, being taunted with blow up snakes? He rammed that consequence right back down the throats of those waving them about.
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Post by cdf on Jan 26, 2023 18:56:10 GMT
Birmingham are back in the market to try and sign Kabongo Tshimanga
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Post by iglugluk on Jan 26, 2023 19:04:26 GMT
I mean it’s fine enough, but why dress it up as being about anything other than that? Why not just say “West Ham are offering me a weekly wage that will allow me to live the kind of life my current pauper’s wage of £70,000 a week won’t?” He could’ve done that and he didn’t. Because he knows it sounds ungrateful and despite being the truth, it’s not going to endear him to anyone. Stating ambition is a good way to excite a new fan base, even if it is tripe. I forget the absolute timing of the announcement but my recollection is that the 'ambition' statement was made some time after Denise Coates' self-sufficiency proclamation. If my memory does serve me correctly, then that could very well have factored into his thought process around the media statement, even if the decision was really being driven by the lure of a considerably bigger wage.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 26, 2023 19:07:01 GMT
He didn’t need to write an essay, just be honest and then face the consequences of his actions. Really. I think they're all in the minds of football fans. What were they supposed to be, being taunted with blow up snakes? He rammed that consequence right back down the throats of those waving them about. So what he was he afraid of then? Just be honest that you’re going for the money, what’s the problem?
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Post by thewonderstuff on Jan 26, 2023 19:18:45 GMT
Because he knows it sounds ungrateful and despite being the truth, it’s not going to endear him to anyone. Stating ambition is a good way to excite a new fan base, even if it is tripe. I forget the absolute timing of the announcement but my recollection is that the 'ambition' statement was made some time after Denise Coates' self-sufficiency proclamation. If my memory does serve me correctly, then that could very well have factored into his thought process around the media statement, even if the decision was really being driven by the lure of a considerably bigger wage. It had nowt to do with our ambition just his own ambition for wealth. The fact that the PR statement him and his avaricious brother put out ended up being bang on the money is neither here nor there really. It wasn't the reason he left. A fact that was borne out later by a move to China when still at his peak. I guess when he's in his 50s he will show the kids the two swimming pools and half a dozen holiday homes they have all over the world rather than any meaningful silverware*. Each to their own. * The medals he got at Inter for sitting on his arse don't count.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jan 26, 2023 19:20:13 GMT
Really. I think they're all in the minds of football fans. What were they supposed to be, being taunted with blow up snakes? He rammed that consequence right back down the throats of those waving them about. So what he was he afraid of then? Just be honest that you’re going for the money, what’s the problem? He didn’t even have to be honest and mention he was chasing the cash, just don’t be dishonest about the Club lacking ambition when every move you make is for dollars
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Post by chopperscfc on Jan 26, 2023 19:26:02 GMT
AN wants two more after Celina. Wingers.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Jan 26, 2023 19:26:59 GMT
AN wants two more after Celina. Wingers. No target man striker? We need one.
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Post by iglugluk on Jan 26, 2023 19:27:07 GMT
I forget the absolute timing of the announcement but my recollection is that the 'ambition' statement was made some time after Denise Coates' self-sufficiency proclamation. If my memory does serve me correctly, then that could very well have factored into his thought process around the media statement, even if the decision was really being driven by the lure of a considerably bigger wage. It had nowt to do with our ambition just his own ambition for wealth. The fact that the PR statement him and his avaricious brother out out ended up being bang on the money is neither here nor there really. It wasn't the reason he left. A fact that was borne out later by a move to China when still at his peak. I guess when he's in his 50s he will show the kids the two swimming pools and half a dozen holiday homes they have all over the world rather than any meaningful silverware*. Each to their own. * The medals he got at Inter for sitting on his arse don't count. You've basically fleshed out what I said.. in fact my last sentence is about the justification compared to the reality specifically
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Post by chopperscfc on Jan 26, 2023 19:27:29 GMT
AN wants two more after Celina. Wingers. No target man striker? We need one. He wants a striker yes but I think 2 more this window.
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Post by smallthorner on Jan 26, 2023 19:28:14 GMT
I forget the absolute timing of the announcement but my recollection is that the 'ambition' statement was made some time after Denise Coates' self-sufficiency proclamation. If my memory does serve me correctly, then that could very well have factored into his thought process around the media statement, even if the decision was really being driven by the lure of a considerably bigger wage. It had nowt to do with our ambition just his own ambition for wealth. The fact that the PR statement him and his avaricious brother out out ended up being bang on the money is neither here nor there really. It wasn't the reason he left. A fact that was borne out later by a move to China when still at his peak. I guess when he's in his 50s he will show the kids the two swimming pools and half a dozen holiday homes they have all over the world rather than any meaningful silverware*. Each to their own. * The medals he got at Inter for sitting on his arse don't count. Being honest, I reckon most people would take the opportunity of doubling their salary and being secure for life if it presented itself.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jan 26, 2023 19:29:11 GMT
No target man striker? We need one. He wants a striker yes but I think 2 more this window. Is Celina in the bag then?
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Post by thewonderstuff on Jan 26, 2023 19:32:52 GMT
It had nowt to do with our ambition just his own ambition for wealth. The fact that the PR statement him and his avaricious brother out out ended up being bang on the money is neither here nor there really. It wasn't the reason he left. A fact that was borne out later by a move to China when still at his peak. I guess when he's in his 50s he will show the kids the two swimming pools and half a dozen holiday homes they have all over the world rather than any meaningful silverware*. Each to their own. * The medals he got at Inter for sitting on his arse don't count. Being honest, I reckon most people would take the opportunity of doubling their salary and being secure for life if it presented itself. Got no problem with that at all.
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Post by trotter1980 on Jan 26, 2023 19:34:18 GMT
AN wants two more after Celina. Wingers. Souttar staying now then?
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Post by drippinggoatsnob on Jan 26, 2023 19:38:41 GMT
AN wants two more after Celina. Wingers. Souttar deal not happening or doesn't he want a replacement?
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Post by lordb on Jan 26, 2023 19:41:13 GMT
No target man striker? We need one. He wants a striker yes but I think 2 more this window. More minutes for Tezgel then
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jan 26, 2023 19:43:54 GMT
It had nowt to do with our ambition just his own ambition for wealth. The fact that the PR statement him and his avaricious brother out out ended up being bang on the money is neither here nor there really. It wasn't the reason he left. A fact that was borne out later by a move to China when still at his peak. I guess when he's in his 50s he will show the kids the two swimming pools and half a dozen holiday homes they have all over the world rather than any meaningful silverware*. Each to their own. * The medals he got at Inter for sitting on his arse don't count. Being honest, I reckon most people would take the opportunity of doubling their salary and being secure for life if it presented itself. And the swimming pools and properties worldwide over and above some poxy medals.
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