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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 13, 2023 20:47:28 GMT
So fcking what about international law a certain religion causing issues in a country that they don't belong, get rid. What they going to do, bomb us? Behave. Either you're a wind up - in which case fair play - or you're properly crackers - in which case I'll leave you to bark at the moon. He's a card, isn't he! Conservative voter. What a surprise. |
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Post by LDE76 on Nov 13, 2023 20:54:07 GMT
So fcking what about international law a certain religion causing issues in a country that they don't belong, get rid. What they going to do, bomb us? Behave. Either you're a wind up - in which case fair play - or you're properly crackers - in which case I'll leave you to bark at the moon. It's either a joke or the Oatcake's first ever open call for ethnic cleansing. One or the other. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 13, 2023 20:56:27 GMT
Behave. Either you're a wind up - in which case fair play - or you're properly crackers - in which case I'll leave you to bark at the moon. It's either a joke or the Oatcake's first ever open call for ethnic cleansing. One or the other. It'll be a 'wind-up' soon enough... |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2023 21:01:25 GMT
How would he initiate that solution if the British culture is apparently summed up by being a “soft touch”. What kind of unpatriotic crap is that?! Come again? The whole rant was, Britain is crap and not white anymore. All British people bend over for everyone else. With that in mind, how is there going to be any solution? It seems like it’s just British culture to be submissive apparently. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 13, 2023 21:03:49 GMT
The whole rant was, Britain is crap and not white anymore. All British people bend over for everyone else. With that in mind, how is there going to be any solution? It seems like it’s just British culture to be submissive apparently. I’m not sure how that answers my post to be honest. I think we’re talking about different things |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2023 21:05:23 GMT
The whole rant was, Britain is crap and not white anymore. All British people bend over for everyone else. With that in mind, how is there going to be any solution? It seems like it’s just British culture to be submissive apparently. I’m not sure how that answers my post to be honest. I think we’re talking about different things Apologies Badge, I perhaps should have just responded to the original post rather than your quoting of it. |
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Post by elystokie on Nov 13, 2023 21:23:36 GMT
The government's job first and foremost is to protect the British people. not a fucking chance of that happening... work your bollocks of pay your taxes for 40years plus and thank you if you get ill health sell your property and pay for your care in a care home left right or middle give ya heads a wobble this country is fucked Yeh, fuck bringing in more people to work in said care homes and pay tax to pay for peoples pensions, we're not crazy ffs. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 13, 2023 21:26:08 GMT
not a fucking chance of that happening... work your bollocks of pay your taxes for 40years plus and thank you if you get ill health sell your property and pay for your care in a care home left right or middle give ya heads a wobble this country is fucked Yeh, fuck bringing in more people to work in said care homes and pay tax to pay for peoples pensions, we're not crazy ffs. I’m finding myself agreeing with you on this one Ely. The bloke is a Grade A berk! |
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Post by andystokey on Nov 13, 2023 21:46:37 GMT
Not killing them. Oh well that's a relief. But you are talking about forcibly removing British born people in a collective punishment identified only by their religion. So the government wouldn't be protecting British people it would be discriminating against them in contravention of international law. It is the behaviour of nutjobs a la Idi Amin and would have your beloved Britain sanctioned by the International community. So fcking what about international law a certain religion causing issues in a country that they don't belong, get rid. What they going to do, bomb us? Said King James I. Meanwhile Mr Catesby invited a few pals around for drinks. Wasn't this all remembered a few days ago? |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 13, 2023 23:43:12 GMT
Jeremy Corbyn ladies and gentlemen,if you ever needed any proof about this cnut😡what a wanker
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2023 23:54:25 GMT
Jeremy Corbyn ladies and gentlemen,if you ever needed any proof about this cnut😡what a wanker He should have just said “yes” and then made his point. Problem solved. I don’t think Corbyn doesn’t believe that they aren’t terrorists (I don’t particularly care for him one way or another either), I just think that he wanted to control the narrative. |
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Post by Biblical on Nov 14, 2023 7:32:08 GMT
not a fucking chance of that happening... work your bollocks of pay your taxes for 40years plus and thank you if you get ill health sell your property and pay for your care in a care home left right or middle give ya heads a wobble this country is fucked Yeh, fuck bringing in more people to work in said care homes and pay tax to pay for peoples pensions, we're not crazy ffs. Is there some solid evidence that immigrants pay more into the system than they receive? Also with regards to the paying for people’s pensions point, surely it’s not solving the problem it’s just pushing it further down the line or possibly even making worse, immigrants age too and will also need their pensions to be paid at a certain point. |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Nov 14, 2023 8:01:58 GMT
Yeh, fuck bringing in more people to work in said care homes and pay tax to pay for peoples pensions, we're not crazy ffs. I’m finding myself agreeing with you on this one Ely. The bloke is a Grade A berk! With regard to care make the role a properly paid profession whoever undertakes it. It's a ridiculously important job and people need encouragement to see it as a valued career. It's a role I've been on the periphery of in past jobs and the situation hasn't improved any since then. Care in one's own home should be the norm, care homes should be the solution of last resort and should implicitly be not for profit organisations. |
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Post by Eggybread on Nov 14, 2023 8:14:50 GMT
Jeremy Corbyn ladies and gentlemen,if you ever needed any proof about this cnut😡what a wanker He should have said that the United Nations do not class them as a terrorist group and we are part of the UN as are Hamas. To put it in context ISIS and Al-Qaida for instance are not part of the UN. |
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Post by vidigal7 on Nov 14, 2023 9:02:38 GMT
The whole rant was, Britain is crap and not white anymore. All British people bend over for everyone else. With that in mind, how is there going to be any solution? It seems like it’s just British culture to be submissive apparently. It's nothing to do with being white, black, pink, brown, orange, green or blue how you like to paint it, Indians are Brown and I'm spewing because Braverman is the only one who has the balls to tell it how it is and she's been sacked. I think you need to change the batteries in your smoke alarm because you'll fail to see the fire. You don't see people of Indian heritage blowing up childrens concerts, refusing to integrate and then cry wolf when the finger gets pointed. People of Indian heritage are some of the most welcoming and friendliest people you will ever meet and they played a big part in Ww2. Theyll happily live next door to you, infact i lived right next door to an indian family for many years, they were a wonderful family |
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Post by elystokie on Nov 14, 2023 9:11:37 GMT
Yeh, fuck bringing in more people to work in said care homes and pay tax to pay for peoples pensions, we're not crazy ffs. Is there some solid evidence that immigrants pay more into the system than they receive? Also with regards to the paying for people’s pensions point, surely it’s not solving the problem it’s just pushing it further down the line or possibly even making worse, immigrants age too and will also need their pensions to be paid at a certain point. I'm not sure but despite the Mail not wanting me to, I prefer to think that they're trying to give themselves and their families a better life. Well the pensions need paying now and there's nowt in the pot so it's either 'kick it down the line' or let people starve. Unless you have a better solution? |
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Nov 14, 2023 9:17:39 GMT
Is there some solid evidence that immigrants pay more into the system than they receive? Also with regards to the paying for people’s pensions point, surely it’s not solving the problem it’s just pushing it further down the line or possibly even making worse, immigrants age too and will also need their pensions to be paid at a certain point. I'm not sure but despite the Mail not wanting me to, I prefer to think that they're trying to give themselves and their families a better life. Well the pensions need paying now and there's nowt in the pot so it's either 'kick it down the line' or let people starve. Unless you have a better solution? Last year two thirds of newly registerd doctors in the UK were immigrants. www.gmc-uk.org/news/news-archive/gmc-says-doctors-choosing-greater-career-flexibility-can-benefit-uks-health-services#:~:text=The%20report%20reveals%20that%20doctors,to%20the%20register%20in%202022. Turn that tap off and no-one need worry about pensions!!! |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 14, 2023 9:35:11 GMT
Indeed. Both the NHS and the care sector would completely collapse without rampant immigration. |
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Post by elystokie on Nov 14, 2023 9:37:04 GMT
Yeh, fuck bringing in more people to work in said care homes and pay tax to pay for peoples pensions, we're not crazy ffs. Is there some solid evidence that immigrants pay more into the system than they receive? Also with regards to the paying for people’s pensions point, surely it’s not solving the problem it’s just pushing it further down the line or possibly even making worse, immigrants age too and will also need their pensions to be paid at a certain point. Did a quick Google, it's obviously very nuanced and quite difficult to ascertain as an overall picture but some have had a go. This was the first report I read, I'm not invested enough to make a big thing about it, 400 of our own citizens dying needlessly each and every month is a bigger issue for me. migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/the-fiscal-impact-of-immigration-in-the-uk/'The Office for Budget Responsibility forecasts that higher net migration reduces pressure on government debt over time' |
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Post by Eggybread on Nov 14, 2023 9:39:21 GMT
What you've got to understand is when you say "British culture" and "average man", I don't actually think you're saying what the average British man thinks. Respectfully you're entitled to your own views and opinions, but you shouldn't assume that it's what the majority of British people think. For instance Saturday we had reportedly 300,000 people (looked more) of all races, religions, colours protesting for a ceasefire in a war. Not invading our streets, taking over or anything else. They were there to protest against what some consider a genocide. We then had the main newspapers run alot of headlines about these "hate marches" and people turning up to counter protest. An estimated 1,500. If these are the views of the average man, then why are they outnumbered 200 to 1? Why do groups such as UKIP, Britian First, EDL, National Front never get politicians elected? Its because their views aren't representative of the average bloke. If they're the average bloke then who is the far right extremist racist native bloke? If those turning up opposing the Marches are the average man. Who is the extremist, who is worse? Whether we like it or not immigration has been happening for centuries and will continue to happen. Now to flip the reply on its head. When we talk about British culture I think we should discuss it outside the context of immigration and I say that because if largely gets ignored and immigration takes the focus. There's certain things like statues, songs, holidays, flags, memorials, historical figures and traditions which have been followed and respected for many years and should continue to be. Increased immigration runs the risk of values which People hold dearly being diluted, disrespected and forgotten. And thus I think it's probably a good conversation to have outside of the immigration chat so that it gets the discussion it deserves. In my opinion I think we should all try and be more accepting of the fact that it's happened/ing and find good mechanisms to make it work and to learn from other cultures while also welcoming others in to learn and enjoy our own. Ordinary people do have a right to be pissed off though when they consider how much everything costs nowadays compared to average wages. But that's very little to do with the immigrants or our taxes paying for them (although under braverman they do cost much more than they should). All you have to Google is anything about 'uk wealth inequality over time' and you'll see where your taxes and money is going. Unless all these immigrants are in the top 0.1%, then they're not the reason you're worse off. Late edit: I should add that if we had a PR vote based system then I believe members from further right parties would get elected and I think they deserve to have a voice too. Politicians such as Nigel Farage I think offer good opposition and different angles we don't hear. The same goes for further left wing voices too. But in the context of this conversation I don't think Jeremy corbyn or Nigel Farage are what I'd consider "average man's views". the British on the whole havnt got the balls to protest they know the police force are biased, Braverman was spot on. I know I'll never vote for Conservative again now, Braverman had the balls to tell it how it is and was fired, that's why the British don't protest, because they know just where they are in the eyes of the law and the gutless government. I know a lot of people and when in conversation its pretty unanimous what these people think about immigration and the numbers of them. There is a clear difference in opinion, millions just don't want them here and terrorist attacks of recent years don't just get forgotten about like it never happened, " they were British born Muslims" I hear you say, well Britain isn't a Muslim country for a start. It never has been and the whole thing is about religion. A cat born in a stable isn't a horse. Can you imagine if you went to palestine and did a protest march with St George flags? 1) they'd never let numbers settle there and 2) you'd be murdered, literally, it just wouldn't happen. Yet here we are little old Britain bending over backwards to appease these non natives, soft touch Britain. Why should we have to make it work as you put it? They're not native, they should be putting in effort to integrate, they've got no intention and never have done, that's why they colonise together buying houses, all moving in until another in the same street becomes available and buying that one, rinse and repeat, that's how they end up with whole streets. Multicultural societies don't work, they never have done and they never will do. The brits and Muslims are like salt and sugar. We'll have f'ing hamas in this country next, I bet half of isis are allready here plotting well we put them up in 4* hotels, the country is a laughing stock, invaders and potential terrorists living rent free potentially plotting terrorist attacks, sickening, and weak minded people actually cheer it and they're a big part of the problem. You my friend are in for an extremely bumpy ride for the rest of your life. Your comments are worrying, your choice of words are appalling and your statements are mostly incorrect. |
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Post by milton58 on Nov 14, 2023 9:44:09 GMT
not a fucking chance of that happening... work your bollocks of pay your taxes for 40years plus and thank you if you get ill health sell your property and pay for your care in a care home left right or middle give ya heads a wobble this country is fucked Yeh, fuck bringing in more people to work in said care homes and pay tax to pay for peoples pensions, we're not crazy ffs. so it doesn't happen when people have worked 40 years plus paid taxes etc...they get ill health and they have to sell there homes for care...you lost me by saying bringing people into the country to do those jobs did I mention that |
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Post by vidigal7 on Nov 14, 2023 9:44:28 GMT
the British on the whole havnt got the balls to protest they know the police force are biased, Braverman was spot on. I know I'll never vote for Conservative again now, Braverman had the balls to tell it how it is and was fired, that's why the British don't protest, because they know just where they are in the eyes of the law and the gutless government. I know a lot of people and when in conversation its pretty unanimous what these people think about immigration and the numbers of them. There is a clear difference in opinion, millions just don't want them here and terrorist attacks of recent years don't just get forgotten about like it never happened, " they were British born Muslims" I hear you say, well Britain isn't a Muslim country for a start. It never has been and the whole thing is about religion. A cat born in a stable isn't a horse. Can you imagine if you went to palestine and did a protest march with St George flags? 1) they'd never let numbers settle there and 2) you'd be murdered, literally, it just wouldn't happen. Yet here we are little old Britain bending over backwards to appease these non natives, soft touch Britain. Why should we have to make it work as you put it? They're not native, they should be putting in effort to integrate, they've got no intention and never have done, that's why they colonise together buying houses, all moving in until another in the same street becomes available and buying that one, rinse and repeat, that's how they end up with whole streets. Multicultural societies don't work, they never have done and they never will do. The brits and Muslims are like salt and sugar. We'll have f'ing hamas in this country next, I bet half of isis are allready here plotting well we put them up in 4* hotels, the country is a laughing stock, invaders and potential terrorists living rent free potentially plotting terrorist attacks, sickening, and weak minded people actually cheer it and they're a big part of the problem. You my friend are in for an extremely bumpy ride for the rest of your life. Your comments are worrying, your choice of words are appalling and your statements are mostly incorrect. Happy to be educated in which comments are incorrect |
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Post by Gawa on Nov 14, 2023 9:46:08 GMT
Jeremy Corbyn ladies and gentlemen,if you ever needed any proof about this cnut😡what a wanker Eyeeeeo go on big jezza. I watched it live and piers Morgan wouldn't let the man speak. Was desperate to try and get one word answers out of Jezza for his headlines. Jezza tried many times to answer but little piers kept getting angry and shouting over him. Oohhhhhh Jeremy Corbyn. |
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Post by elystokie on Nov 14, 2023 9:46:44 GMT
Yeh, fuck bringing in more people to work in said care homes and pay tax to pay for peoples pensions, we're not crazy ffs. so it doesn't happen when people have worked 40 years plus paid taxes etc...they get ill health and they have to sell there homes for care...you lost me by saying bringing people into the country to do those jobs did I mention that How is people having to sell their homes the fault of the migrants? You didn't mention it, you wouldn't would you? |
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Post by milton58 on Nov 14, 2023 9:50:43 GMT
so it doesn't happen when people have worked 40 years plus paid taxes etc...they get ill health and they have to sell there homes for care...you lost me by saying bringing people into the country to do those jobs did I mention that How is people having to sell their homes the fault of the migrants? You didn't mention it, you wouldn't would you? where have I mentioned migrants |
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Post by wannabee on Nov 14, 2023 9:56:36 GMT
Yeh, fuck bringing in more people to work in said care homes and pay tax to pay for peoples pensions, we're not crazy ffs. 1. Is there some solid evidence that immigrants pay more into the system than they receive? 2. Also with regards to the paying for people’s pensions point, surely it’s not solving the problem it’s just pushing it further down the line or possibly even making worse, immigrants age too and will also need their pensions to be paid at a certain point. 1. Yes www.ucl.ac.uk/economics/about-department/fiscal-effects-immigration-uk#:~:text=Immigrants%20from%20outside%20the%20EU,contribution%20of%20%C2%A3616.5%20billion. 2. The equation remains the same. How many people are working thereby supporting those who are retired and receiving a pension or not working and receiving benefits It is a common problem in all Developed Countries with a lower Birth Rate than Death Rate as is the case in UK. It is why the State Pension Age has steadily increased It is a problem which will get much worse as the Birth Rate will continue to decline while advances in Medicine will see Death Rate decline too. The easiest solution is managed Immigration of working age people. Another is to increase the Productivity of those who are working which has been crap in UK for 20+ years. It requires large scale Investment to produce things more efficiently rather than doing the same thing and expecting a different outcome, this too has been crap for decades. |
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Post by phileetin on Nov 14, 2023 10:03:41 GMT
Indeed. Both the NHS and the care sector would completely collapse without rampant immigration.
Legal or Illegal , that is the question ?
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Post by satoshi on Nov 14, 2023 10:07:59 GMT
Fecking Greeks!
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Post by Biblical on Nov 14, 2023 10:10:23 GMT
Is there some solid evidence that immigrants pay more into the system than they receive? Also with regards to the paying for people’s pensions point, surely it’s not solving the problem it’s just pushing it further down the line or possibly even making worse, immigrants age too and will also need their pensions to be paid at a certain point. I'm not sure but despite the Mail not wanting me to, I prefer to think that they're trying to give themselves and their families a better life. Well the pensions need paying now and there's nowt in the pot so it's either 'kick it down the line' or let people starve. Unless you have a better solution? I’d done a search around myself and couldn’t find any clear information on it so that’s why I asked given your claim. I’ve seen your subsequent post where you say you’ve also searched and it’s not really clear whether, overall, immigrants pay more into the system than they receive. Obviously this is pretty important to establish because if overall immigrants are not paying more into the system than they’re receiving then they can’t possibly be paying for peoples pensions like you’ve tried to claim. I’m surprised you’re making such claims without having the necessary understanding, I’m not surprised at how quickly you pivoted from the economic case for immigration to making the emotive argument that they’re just trying to make their lives better though. |
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Post by Eggybread on Nov 14, 2023 10:22:27 GMT
You my friend are in for an extremely bumpy ride for the rest of your life. Your comments are worrying, your choice of words are appalling and your statements are mostly incorrect. Happy to be educated in which comments are incorrect Educate yourself then, read and learn.Ill give you an head start You say multicultural societies don't work well the UK has been one since 1707.  That's officially, unofficially donkeys years before that. |
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