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Post by thisisouryear on Nov 12, 2023 22:46:12 GMT
It's very possible this is an opportunistic photo rather than posing for a picture. You can literally make anything up if you get the right angle. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 12, 2023 23:29:03 GMT
It's very possible this is an opportunistic photo rather than posing for a picture. You can literally make anything up if you get the right angle. I think there's two issues here ... 1) Whilst I applaud the Met for advising their force to adopt a non confrontational approach to protesters, where they don't feel it is necessary, this is an example of the policy going too far the other way and frankly, just what were those two officers thinking? To be blunt, they're fuckin stupid. 2) Just why on earth would parents elect to take a child to highly charged public demonstration, dressed like that, where they have no control over what may happen? To be blunt, they're fuckin stupid. |
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Post by Gawa on Nov 12, 2023 23:31:17 GMT
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Post by Gawa on Nov 12, 2023 23:58:16 GMT
There have been numerous protests on Armistice Day, including by those that fought in the wars. “ In the early years of commemoration there had been regular protests by militant sections of the ex-service community. In 1922 there was a memorable march by the unemployed to the Cenotaph after the official ceremonies on 11 November where veterans wore pawn tickets instead of medals. There were frequent local protests on the same lines. At the same time there was a rejection of Armistice Day solemnity by other veterans, who wanted a more straightforward victory celebration of their achievements. Through much of the 1920s there were regular ‘Armistice Day Balls’ where veterans partied to mark the anniversary of the ceasefire. These came under attack as the decade wore on as disrespectful and inappropriate, which was a major impetus towards their replacement by the consensus of a ‘Festival of Remembrance’.” www.historyandpolicy.org/opinion-articles/articles/the-complicated-history-of-remembranceThere is nothing more British than maintaining the right to peaceful protest. 300,000 people protested the death of a people yesterday and probably about 99.5% did so respectfully. The others should be dealt with appropriately by the law. That's national issues that belong on these shores. These people don't belong here, if they can't respect the British culture or even indulge in it then they should sod off back home. I find it disturbing watching that many march through London with a different countries flag, not least at a time when we're under invasion without weapons but rubber dingies and a time when police bend over backwards to appease non natives because of fear of offence, on our own shores. All well the british tax payers foots the bill Second class citizens in our own country and the numbers of non natives are going to carry on growing. Its all going to kick off at some point, the average man is sick of what this country is becoming, it should have been nipped in the bud a long time ago What you've got to understand is when you say "British culture" and "average man", I don't actually think you're saying what the average British man thinks. Respectfully you're entitled to your own views and opinions, but you shouldn't assume that it's what the majority of British people think. For instance Saturday we had reportedly 300,000 people (looked more) of all races, religions, colours protesting for a ceasefire in a war. Not invading our streets, taking over or anything else. They were there to protest against what some consider a genocide. We then had the main newspapers run alot of headlines about these "hate marches" and people turning up to counter protest. An estimated 1,500. If these are the views of the average man, then why are they outnumbered 200 to 1? Why do groups such as UKIP, Britian First, EDL, National Front never get politicians elected? Its because their views aren't representative of the average bloke. If they're the average bloke then who is the far right extremist racist native bloke? If those turning up opposing the Marches are the average man. Who is the extremist, who is worse? Whether we like it or not immigration has been happening for centuries and will continue to happen. Now to flip the reply on its head. When we talk about British culture I think we should discuss it outside the context of immigration and I say that because if largely gets ignored and immigration takes the focus. There's certain things like statues, songs, holidays, flags, memorials, historical figures and traditions which have been followed and respected for many years and should continue to be. Increased immigration runs the risk of values which People hold dearly being diluted, disrespected and forgotten. And thus I think it's probably a good conversation to have outside of the immigration chat so that it gets the discussion it deserves. In my opinion I think we should all try and be more accepting of the fact that it's happened/ing and find good mechanisms to make it work and to learn from other cultures while also welcoming others in to learn and enjoy our own. Ordinary people do have a right to be pissed off though when they consider how much everything costs nowadays compared to average wages. But that's very little to do with the immigrants or our taxes paying for them (although under braverman they do cost much more than they should). All you have to Google is anything about 'uk wealth inequality over time' and you'll see where your taxes and money is going. Unless all these immigrants are in the top 0.1%, then they're not the reason you're worse off. Late edit: I should add that if we had a PR vote based system then I believe members from further right parties would get elected and I think they deserve to have a voice too. Politicians such as Nigel Farage I think offer good opposition and different angles we don't hear. The same goes for further left wing voices too. But in the context of this conversation I don't think Jeremy corbyn or Nigel Farage are what I'd consider "average man's views". |
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Post by satoshi on Nov 13, 2023 5:29:04 GMT
Blair will wipe out the middle east on his own Again |
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Nov 13, 2023 5:36:35 GMT
Has to be click bait surely? The last thing this needs is this twat anywhere near it. |
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Post by satoshi on Nov 13, 2023 5:40:08 GMT
Has to be click bait surely? The last thing this needs is this twat anywhere near it. Being reported by the times of Israel. It would put a lovely twist on the liberals marching against Israel when their messiah makes a come back. Or is he just a naughty boy. |
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Post by thisisouryear on Nov 13, 2023 6:20:16 GMT
It's very possible this is an opportunistic photo rather than posing for a picture. You can literally make anything up if you get the right angle. I think there's two issues here ... 1) Whilst I applaud the Met for advising their force to adopt a non confrontational approach to protesters, where they don't feel it is necessary, this is an example of the policy going too far the other way and frankly, just what were those two officers thinking? To be blunt, they're fuckin stupid. 2) Just why on earth would parents elect to take a child to highly charged public demonstration, dressed like that, where they have no control over what may happen? To be blunt, they're fuckin stupid. That's if they did actually pose for the photo or if someone took the photo because the opportunity was there. Where are the child's parents in the photo? The child could have been alone and the police may have been with them until they were found. If they did pose it's completely stupid but not every photo is always what it's made out to be. I agree regarding taking a child to a protest, it's mental. Putting their children at risk like that is disgusting. |
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Post by thisisouryear on Nov 13, 2023 6:23:24 GMT
Has to be click bait surely? The last thing this needs is this twat anywhere near it. Being reported by the times of Israel. It would put a lovely twist on the liberals marching against Israel when their messiah makes a come back. Or is he just a naughty boy. Is Blair anyone's Messiah or is making shit up where we are? |
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Post by satoshi on Nov 13, 2023 7:08:54 GMT
Being reported by the times of Israel. It would put a lovely twist on the liberals marching against Israel when their messiah makes a come back. Or is he just a naughty boy. Is Blair anyone's Messiah or is making shit up where we are? We’ve been there ages, it’s like calling a bunch of strangers thick. Enjoy it. |
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Post by Foster on Nov 13, 2023 11:16:10 GMT
Just to go back to Vidigal7's posts. I didn't reply the last couple of days but I do to some degree agree with his sentiment. Even though for me it's not exactly related to what's happening now.
I think his main gripe isn't with the protests themselves as we all know the vast majority are peaceful and from a mixed demographic.
I think the issue that wasn't mentioned (as it seems to be a bit of a taboo on here) was the Islamification of the UK whereby footage of clearly obsessed individuals and groups has been shared and ignored. There was one shared purported to be in Denmark... wtf was that about.
I personally feel more comfortable with having a few knuckleheads about than groups of people calling for an Islamic state or screaming death to jews, etc. I know this is a separate issue but for me, any one doing that should be deported directly. I believe that UK values of tolerance and acceptance should be paramount so these losers with their ultra right wing views (more so than the EDL in fact) and mindset of changing the UK to something it isn't should be given zero tolerance.
Anyway, back to the currently situation, I'm in support of protests for peace and I am vehemently against any disruption that was caused for the remembering's. I also despise Tommy R and his ilk.
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Post by satoshi on Nov 13, 2023 11:56:19 GMT
Turkeys 🦃 for Christmas 🎅
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 13, 2023 13:41:28 GMT
Cheerio, dickhead...   |
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Post by dutchstokie on Nov 13, 2023 13:57:49 GMT
It's very possible this is an opportunistic photo rather than posing for a picture. You can literally make anything up if you get the right angle. A complete load of bollocks is what it is..... thats been photoshopped to hell and if you lot fall for that youre fuckin thicker than I thought |
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Post by Foster on Nov 13, 2023 14:08:56 GMT
It's very possible this is an opportunistic photo rather than posing for a picture. You can literally make anything up if you get the right angle. A complete load of bollocks is what it is..... thats been photoshopped to hell and if you lot fall for that youre fuckin thicker than I thought So just to clarify..you think it's real? |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 13, 2023 14:28:44 GMT
It's very possible this is an opportunistic photo rather than posing for a picture. You can literally make anything up if you get the right angle. A complete load of bollocks is what it is..... thats been photoshopped to hell and if you lot fall for that youre fuckin thicker than I thought It's not photoshopped, the Met have confirmed it's genuine. |
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Nov 13, 2023 15:18:15 GMT
I’m curious, how many generations back do you have to go to be “native”? I don't know but they're coming over in Numbers now, numbers never seen in history and it won't end well. We will go down in history as the generation that let it happen Over half a million people arrived from the Commonwealth in the Windrush generation. |
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Post by Foster on Nov 13, 2023 15:26:42 GMT
I don't know but they're coming over in Numbers now, numbers never seen in history and it won't end well. We will go down in history as the generation that let it happen Over half a million people arrived from the Commonwealth in the Windrush generation. Must have been a hell of a lot of wind. |
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Post by dutchstokie on Nov 13, 2023 15:39:00 GMT
A complete load of bollocks is what it is..... thats been photoshopped to hell and if you lot fall for that youre fuckin thicker than I thought So just to clarify..you think it's real? Yeah 100% real..... honest guv !  |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Nov 13, 2023 16:44:33 GMT
There have been numerous protests on Armistice Day, including by those that fought in the wars. “ In the early years of commemoration there had been regular protests by militant sections of the ex-service community. In 1922 there was a memorable march by the unemployed to the Cenotaph after the official ceremonies on 11 November where veterans wore pawn tickets instead of medals. There were frequent local protests on the same lines. At the same time there was a rejection of Armistice Day solemnity by other veterans, who wanted a more straightforward victory celebration of their achievements. Through much of the 1920s there were regular ‘Armistice Day Balls’ where veterans partied to mark the anniversary of the ceasefire. These came under attack as the decade wore on as disrespectful and inappropriate, which was a major impetus towards their replacement by the consensus of a ‘Festival of Remembrance’.” www.historyandpolicy.org/opinion-articles/articles/the-complicated-history-of-remembranceThere is nothing more British than maintaining the right to peaceful protest. 300,000 people protested the death of a people yesterday and probably about 99.5% did so respectfully. The others should be dealt with appropriately by the law. That's national issues that belong on these shores. These people don't belong here, if they can't respect the British culture or even indulge in it then they should sod off back home. I find it disturbing watching that many march through London with a different countries flag, not least at a time when we're under invasion without weapons but rubber dingies and a time when police bend over backwards to appease non natives because of fear of offence, on our own shores. All well the british tax payers foots the bill Second class citizens in our own country and the numbers of non natives are going to carry on growing. Its all going to kick off at some point, the average man is sick of what this country is becoming, it should have been nipped in the bud a long time ago You are just rehashing Enoch Powell's rivers of blood speech. It never happened and bar a few lunatics on the far right occasionally kicking off it won't because the majority of people are fine with living in a multi cultural country - in fact many prefer it that way. And like it or not we are a multi cultural country and have been for decades. And we aren't going back - none of the political parties likely to get in power have the slightest inclination to do that - not event the Tories. The only option I can see to accommodate you and those who wish to live in a traditional Brit only mono culture is some form of apartheid - a system where towns and cities self declare as multi cultural or Brit only. After a few years people will gravitate to where they feel welcome and we can live our separate lives and know what areas to avoid. I want to live in a multicultural area - I'd hate living in a boring Brit only enclave. And I've just as much right to that as you have of living in your ideal environment. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 13, 2023 17:33:46 GMT
But, but, but "the left".................
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 13, 2023 17:47:07 GMT
But, but, but "the left"................. Just what Twilight Zone have we entered in 2023? The world has gone mad. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 13, 2023 17:51:23 GMT
But, but, but "the left"................. Just what Twilight Zone have we entered in 2023? The world has gone mad. The world went mad around January 2020 mate and the madness just gets madder. |
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Post by milton58 on Nov 13, 2023 18:15:23 GMT
Got to give praise to the French they don't take any shit anymore....they just send it to us instead
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 13, 2023 18:18:14 GMT
Got to give praise to the French they don't take any shit anymore....they just send it to us instead That’s easily the best post you’ve ever delivered on the Oatcake. |
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Nov 13, 2023 19:07:26 GMT
But, but, but "the left"................. We really are through the looking glass. |
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Post by vidigal7 on Nov 13, 2023 19:27:27 GMT
That's national issues that belong on these shores. These people don't belong here, if they can't respect the British culture or even indulge in it then they should sod off back home. I find it disturbing watching that many march through London with a different countries flag, not least at a time when we're under invasion without weapons but rubber dingies and a time when police bend over backwards to appease non natives because of fear of offence, on our own shores. All well the british tax payers foots the bill Second class citizens in our own country and the numbers of non natives are going to carry on growing. Its all going to kick off at some point, the average man is sick of what this country is becoming, it should have been nipped in the bud a long time ago What you've got to understand is when you say "British culture" and "average man", I don't actually think you're saying what the average British man thinks. Respectfully you're entitled to your own views and opinions, but you shouldn't assume that it's what the majority of British people think. For instance Saturday we had reportedly 300,000 people (looked more) of all races, religions, colours protesting for a ceasefire in a war. Not invading our streets, taking over or anything else. They were there to protest against what some consider a genocide. We then had the main newspapers run alot of headlines about these "hate marches" and people turning up to counter protest. An estimated 1,500. If these are the views of the average man, then why are they outnumbered 200 to 1? Why do groups such as UKIP, Britian First, EDL, National Front never get politicians elected? Its because their views aren't representative of the average bloke. If they're the average bloke then who is the far right extremist racist native bloke? If those turning up opposing the Marches are the average man. Who is the extremist, who is worse? Whether we like it or not immigration has been happening for centuries and will continue to happen. Now to flip the reply on its head. When we talk about British culture I think we should discuss it outside the context of immigration and I say that because if largely gets ignored and immigration takes the focus. There's certain things like statues, songs, holidays, flags, memorials, historical figures and traditions which have been followed and respected for many years and should continue to be. Increased immigration runs the risk of values which People hold dearly being diluted, disrespected and forgotten. And thus I think it's probably a good conversation to have outside of the immigration chat so that it gets the discussion it deserves. In my opinion I think we should all try and be more accepting of the fact that it's happened/ing and find good mechanisms to make it work and to learn from other cultures while also welcoming others in to learn and enjoy our own. Ordinary people do have a right to be pissed off though when they consider how much everything costs nowadays compared to average wages. But that's very little to do with the immigrants or our taxes paying for them (although under braverman they do cost much more than they should). All you have to Google is anything about 'uk wealth inequality over time' and you'll see where your taxes and money is going. Unless all these immigrants are in the top 0.1%, then they're not the reason you're worse off. Late edit: I should add that if we had a PR vote based system then I believe members from further right parties would get elected and I think they deserve to have a voice too. Politicians such as Nigel Farage I think offer good opposition and different angles we don't hear. The same goes for further left wing voices too. But in the context of this conversation I don't think Jeremy corbyn or Nigel Farage are what I'd consider "average man's views". the British on the whole havnt got the balls to protest they know the police force are biased, Braverman was spot on. I know I'll never vote for Conservative again now, Braverman had the balls to tell it how it is and was fired, that's why the British don't protest, because they know just where they are in the eyes of the law and the gutless government. I know a lot of people and when in conversation its pretty unanimous what these people think about immigration and the numbers of them. There is a clear difference in opinion, millions just don't want them here and terrorist attacks of recent years don't just get forgotten about like it never happened, " they were British born Muslims" I hear you say, well Britain isn't a Muslim country for a start. It never has been and the whole thing is about religion. A cat born in a stable isn't a horse. Can you imagine if you went to palestine and did a protest march with St George flags? 1) they'd never let numbers settle there and 2) you'd be murdered, literally, it just wouldn't happen. Yet here we are little old Britain bending over backwards to appease these non natives, soft touch Britain. Why should we have to make it work as you put it? They're not native, they should be putting in effort to integrate, they've got no intention and never have done, that's why they colonise together buying houses, all moving in until another in the same street becomes available and buying that one, rinse and repeat, that's how they end up with whole streets. Multicultural societies don't work, they never have done and they never will do. The brits and Muslims are like salt and sugar. We'll have f'ing hamas in this country next, I bet half of isis are allready here plotting well we put them up in 4* hotels, the country is a laughing stock, invaders and potential terrorists living rent free potentially plotting terrorist attacks, sickening, and weak minded people actually cheer it and they're a big part of the problem. |
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Post by vidigal7 on Nov 13, 2023 19:44:09 GMT
Here we are with the benefits and privilege of an island where we can be us and live happily ever after but we decide to bring in and invite tension by mixing different religions and cultures when every day on the news some country is falling out with another over because theyre like chalk and cheese living on each others door steps, ridiculous.
Australia have it right.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 13, 2023 19:48:07 GMT
Here we are with the benefits and privilege of an island where we can be us and live happily ever after but we decide to bring in and invite tension by mixing different religions and cultures when every day on the news some country is falling out with another, ridiculous. Australia have it right. I agree with your sentiments in the main albeit with a few caveats whereby I think there are many benefits into allowing overseas “workers” into the country. They are good for the economy but I think the balance is currently way out of kilter and we need a strong leader to weed out the undesirables by putting forward some sensible policies. It’s going to be very difficult now though. Although one name springs to mind…… |
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Nov 13, 2023 19:48:25 GMT
What you've got to understand is when you say "British culture" and "average man", I don't actually think you're saying what the average British man thinks. Respectfully you're entitled to your own views and opinions, but you shouldn't assume that it's what the majority of British people think. For instance Saturday we had reportedly 300,000 people (looked more) of all races, religions, colours protesting for a ceasefire in a war. Not invading our streets, taking over or anything else. They were there to protest against what some consider a genocide. We then had the main newspapers run alot of headlines about these "hate marches" and people turning up to counter protest. An estimated 1,500. If these are the views of the average man, then why are they outnumbered 200 to 1? Why do groups such as UKIP, Britian First, EDL, National Front never get politicians elected? Its because their views aren't representative of the average bloke. If they're the average bloke then who is the far right extremist racist native bloke? If those turning up opposing the Marches are the average man. Who is the extremist, who is worse? Whether we like it or not immigration has been happening for centuries and will continue to happen. Now to flip the reply on its head. When we talk about British culture I think we should discuss it outside the context of immigration and I say that because if largely gets ignored and immigration takes the focus. There's certain things like statues, songs, holidays, flags, memorials, historical figures and traditions which have been followed and respected for many years and should continue to be. Increased immigration runs the risk of values which People hold dearly being diluted, disrespected and forgotten. And thus I think it's probably a good conversation to have outside of the immigration chat so that it gets the discussion it deserves. In my opinion I think we should all try and be more accepting of the fact that it's happened/ing and find good mechanisms to make it work and to learn from other cultures while also welcoming others in to learn and enjoy our own. Ordinary people do have a right to be pissed off though when they consider how much everything costs nowadays compared to average wages. But that's very little to do with the immigrants or our taxes paying for them (although under braverman they do cost much more than they should). All you have to Google is anything about 'uk wealth inequality over time' and you'll see where your taxes and money is going. Unless all these immigrants are in the top 0.1%, then they're not the reason you're worse off. Late edit: I should add that if we had a PR vote based system then I believe members from further right parties would get elected and I think they deserve to have a voice too. Politicians such as Nigel Farage I think offer good opposition and different angles we don't hear. The same goes for further left wing voices too. But in the context of this conversation I don't think Jeremy corbyn or Nigel Farage are what I'd consider "average man's views". the British on the whole havnt got the balls to protest they know the police force are biased, Braverman was spot on. I know I'll never vote for Conservative again now, Braverman had the balls to tell it how it is and was fired, that's why the British don't protest, because they know just where they are in the eyes of the law and the gutless government. I know a lot of people and when in conversation its pretty unanimous what these people think about immigration and the numbers of them. There is a clear difference in opinion, millions just don't want them here and terrorist attacks of recent years don't just get forgotten about like it never happened, " they were British born Muslims" I hear you say, well Britain isn't a Muslim country for a start. It never has been and the whole thing is about religion. A cat born in a stable isn't a horse. Can you imagine if you went to palestine and did a protest march with St George flags? 1) they'd never let numbers settle there and 2) you'd be murdered, literally, it just wouldn't happen. Yet here we are little old Britain bending over backwards to appease these non natives, soft touch Britain. Why should we have to make it work as you put it? They're not native, they should be putting in effort to integrate, they've got no intention and never have done, that's why they colonise together buying houses, all moving in until another in the same street becomes available and buying that one, rinse and repeat, that's how they end up with whole streets. Multicultural societies don't work, they never have done and they never will do. The brits and Muslims are like salt and sugar. We'll have f'ing hamas in this country next, I bet half of isis are allready here plotting well we put them up in 4* hotels, the country is a laughing stock, invaders and potential terrorists living rent free potentially plotting terrorist attacks, sickening, and weak minded people actually cheer it and they're a big part of the problem. For the sake of discussion let's assume you're right (though I don't agree that you are) what is your solution? |
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