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Post by dutchstokie on Sept 18, 2022 19:28:38 GMT
Looks like Jezza’s not waiting for the investigation to be completed. I'd like to know what justice is. Is it - The officer to be charged with something even if it's deemed he's acted appropriately - for a fair and independent investigation where it's dealt with no differently than any other. It should be the latter however I fear it isn’t. #bollockstojusticeforchriskaba Fuckin clown |
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Post by thewonderstuff on Sept 18, 2022 19:33:19 GMT
Looks like Jezza’s not waiting for the investigation to be completed. I'd like to know what justice is. Is it - The officer to be charged with something even if it's deemed he's acted appropriately - for a fair and independent investigation where it's dealt with no differently than any other. It should be the latter however I fear it isn’t. #bollockstojusticeforchriskaba Fuckin clown Nothing like 'respect' for the recently departed is there. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Sept 18, 2022 20:03:53 GMT
#bollockstojusticeforchriskaba Fuckin clown Nothing like 'respect' for the recently departed is there. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Are you comparing the queen with Chris Kaba? |
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Post by thewonderstuff on Sept 18, 2022 20:08:32 GMT
Nothing like 'respect' for the recently departed is there. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Are you comparing the queen with Chris Kaba? They were both human beings. Maybe you don't consider people like Kaba to be human, I don't know? I certainly don't consider any other person to be superior to me through some archaic blood line wankery, that is for certain. |
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Post by Hereward the Wake ᛊᛏᛟᚲᛖ on Sept 18, 2022 20:10:00 GMT
Looks like Jezza’s not waiting for the investigation to be completed. I'd like to know what justice is. Is it - The officer to be charged with something even if it's deemed he's acted appropriately - for a fair and independent investigation where it's dealt with no differently than any other. It should be the latter however I fear it isn’t. #bollockstojusticeforchriskaba Fuckin clown Would you really expect anything different from Corbyn though. The bloke hates Britain and everything we stand for. |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Sept 18, 2022 20:52:33 GMT
Are you comparing the queen with Chris Kaba? They were both human beings. Maybe you don't consider people like Kaba to be human, I don't know? I certainly don't consider any other person to be superior to me through some archaic blood line wankery, that is for certain. Of course they are and it’s sad when a life is lost whatever the persons background but there’s a huge difference in the lives they led. One was a shining beacon and wonderful monarch the other a criminal who was released from prison for posession of a firearm. I feel that one gave a lot more to the country than the other though to some you’d think the roles were reversed. |
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Post by thewonderstuff on Sept 18, 2022 21:09:14 GMT
They were both human beings. Maybe you don't consider people like Kaba to be human, I don't know? I certainly don't consider any other person to be superior to me through some archaic blood line wankery, that is for certain. Of course they are and it’s sad when a life is lost whatever the persons background but there’s a huge difference in the lives they led. One was a shining beacon and wonderful monarch the other a criminal who was released from prison for posession of a firearm. I feel that one gave a lot more to the country than the other though to some you’d think the roles were reversed. I dunno, I think some people around in Kenya at the start of the Queen's reign might feel the crimes of this nation were rather more excessive than a teenager being in a possession of an imitation firearm but there you go+ |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Sept 18, 2022 21:30:06 GMT
Of course they are and it’s sad when a life is lost whatever the persons background but there’s a huge difference in the lives they led. One was a shining beacon and wonderful monarch the other a criminal who was released from prison for posession of a firearm. I feel that one gave a lot more to the country than the other though to some you’d think the roles were reversed. I dunno, I think some people around in Kenya at the start of the Queen's reign might feel the crimes of this nation were rather more excessive than a teenager being in a possession of an imitation firearm but there you go+ You’re politicising. Tell that to the people who were terrified by someone who they thought was waving around a real firearm. He wasn’t playing cowboys and indians you know. |
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Post by thewonderstuff on Sept 18, 2022 21:36:25 GMT
I dunno, I think some people around in Kenya at the start of the Queen's reign might feel the crimes of this nation were rather more excessive than a teenager being in a possession of an imitation firearm but there you go+ You’re politicising. Well yeah. It's actually political isn't it. Just like you getting upset by people who aren't wearing black 24/7 and constantly weeping about a woman they've never met is political. |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Sept 18, 2022 21:38:47 GMT
Well yeah. It's actually political isn't it. Just like you getting upset by people who aren't wearing black 24/7 and constantly weeping about a woman they've never met is political. Well i guess it’s better than being bitter about almost anything. |
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Post by wannabee on Sept 18, 2022 21:59:13 GMT
They were both human beings. Maybe you don't consider people like Kaba to be human, I don't know? I certainly don't consider any other person to be superior to me through some archaic blood line wankery, that is for certain. Of course they are and it’s sad when a life is lost whatever the persons background but there’s a huge difference in the lives they led. One was a shining beacon and wonderful monarch the other a criminal who was released from prison for posession of a firearm. I feel that one gave a lot more to the country than the other though to some you’d think the roles were reversed. Despite it being pointed out to you several times that Kaba was convicted of possession of an IMITATION firearm you seem determined to continue to propagate the lie Do you have an agenda? I accept there are people who genuinely mourn the Queen’s passing and I for one wouldn't disrespect them. Why can you not accept others don't hold your view? Colonisation and Slavery was a stain on this Country. Through her Birthright she inherited this legacy. During her reign 15 more former Colonies of the original 52 became Independent Do you think her passing is relevant or mourned in these places. During her 70 year Reign did she once express regret of past misdeeds and atrocities I would be genuinely interested if you could find one. On the contrary she ran her own household in a similar racist way www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/jun/02/buckingham-palace-banned-ethnic-minorities-from-office-roles-papers-reveal |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Sept 18, 2022 22:35:07 GMT
Of course they are and it’s sad when a life is lost whatever the persons background but there’s a huge difference in the lives they led. One was a shining beacon and wonderful monarch the other a criminal who was released from prison for posession of a firearm. I feel that one gave a lot more to the country than the other though to some you’d think the roles were reversed. Despite it being pointed out to you several times that Kaba was convicted of possession of an IMITATION firearm you seem determined to continue to propagate the lie Do you have an agenda? I accept there are people who genuinely mourn the Queen’s passing and I for one wouldn't disrespect them. Why can you not accept others don't hold your view? Colonisation and Slavery was a stain on this Country. Through her Birthright she inherited this legacy. During her reign 15 more former Colonies of the original 52 became Independent Do you think her passing is relevant or mourned in these places. During her 70 year Reign did she once express regret of past misdeeds and atrocities I would be genuinely interested if you could find one. On the contrary she ran her own household in a similar racist way www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/jun/02/buckingham-palace-banned-ethnic-minorities-from-office-roles-papers-reveal So what you’re saying is that it’s ok to carry an imitation firearm. You talk like it’s minor? You seem to want to picture his behaviour as insignificant thankfully the courts didn’t hence the 4 year sentence. Anyway let’s wait and see what happens when all the evidence is heard before we comment further. No agenda from me. |
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Post by thewonderstuff on Sept 18, 2022 22:44:57 GMT
Despite it being pointed out to you several times that Kaba was convicted of possession of an IMITATION firearm you seem determined to continue to propagate the lie Do you have an agenda? I accept there are people who genuinely mourn the Queen’s passing and I for one wouldn't disrespect them. Why can you not accept others don't hold your view? Colonisation and Slavery was a stain on this Country. Through her Birthright she inherited this legacy. During her reign 15 more former Colonies of the original 52 became Independent Do you think her passing is relevant or mourned in these places. During her 70 year Reign did she once express regret of past misdeeds and atrocities I would be genuinely interested if you could find one. On the contrary she ran her own household in a similar racist way www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/jun/02/buckingham-palace-banned-ethnic-minorities-from-office-roles-papers-reveal No agenda from me. 😀 |
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Post by wannabee on Sept 18, 2022 22:55:35 GMT
Despite it being pointed out to you several times that Kaba was convicted of possession of an IMITATION firearm you seem determined to continue to propagate the lie Do you have an agenda? I accept there are people who genuinely mourn the Queen’s passing and I for one wouldn't disrespect them. Why can you not accept others don't hold your view? Colonisation and Slavery was a stain on this Country. Through her Birthright she inherited this legacy. During her reign 15 more former Colonies of the original 52 became Independent Do you think her passing is relevant or mourned in these places. During her 70 year Reign did she once express regret of past misdeeds and atrocities I would be genuinely interested if you could find one. On the contrary she ran her own household in a similar racist way www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/jun/02/buckingham-palace-banned-ethnic-minorities-from-office-roles-papers-reveal So what you’re saying is that it’s ok to carry an imitation firearm. You talk like it’s minor? You seem to want to picture his behaviour as insignificant thankfully the courts didn’t hence the 4 year sentence. Anyway let’s wait and see what happens when all the evidence is heard before we comment further. No agenda from me. I'm saying it's not OK to persistently libel someone and I would seriously hope you take your own advise to await the outcome of the investigation. Kaba was convicted of a crime and served the sentence imposed. This is a completely seperate matter to the circumstances of his death of which the facts have yet to be established I see you have not attempted to defend the life choices the Shining Beacon you referred to |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Sept 18, 2022 22:55:43 GMT
If you say so. I think I know myself better. |
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Post by Gods on Sept 18, 2022 23:13:42 GMT
They were both human beings. Maybe you don't consider people like Kaba to be human, I don't know? I certainly don't consider any other person to be superior to me through some archaic blood line wankery, that is for certain. Of course they are and it’s sad when a life is lost whatever the persons background but there’s a huge difference in the lives they led. One was a shining beacon and wonderful monarch the other a criminal who was released from prison for posession of a firearm. I feel that one gave a lot more to the country than the other though to some you’d think the roles were reversed. 'a life is lost', you make it sound like the cause was one and the same. One died of of old age at the age of 96 the other was in his early 20's and gunned down in the street. I can see why friends and family think 9 months is too long to wait for an enquiry, I mean it should take about 9 hours to find out what happened. I'm not taking sides here, on such occasions my gut reaction is to side with the police but I totally see why the family would not be happy to be told told to put up and shut up for 9 months! |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Sept 18, 2022 23:25:08 GMT
So what you’re saying is that it’s ok to carry an imitation firearm. You talk like it’s minor? You seem to want to picture his behaviour as insignificant thankfully the courts didn’t hence the 4 year sentence. Anyway let’s wait and see what happens when all the evidence is heard before we comment further. No agenda from me. I'm saying it's not OK to persistently libel someone and I would seriously hope you take your own advise to await the outcome of the investigation. Kaba was convicted of a crime and served the sentence imposed. This is a completely seperate matter to the circumstances of his death of which the facts have yet to be established I see you have not attempted to defend the life choices the Shining Beacon you referred to Libel? technicalities perhaps in relation to the firearm being a replica but the law says that with the firearm offence it’s the intent of what the person carrying the firearm (replica or not) wanted people to think that completes the offence. You are quite right though in relation to him being found guilty and serving his sentence. In relation to the county lines. He was part of a drill gang who were 100 percent involved in county lines as was proved by the courts. Though not identified as being involved in the offences that the other members were found guilty of and sentenced you’d be incredibly naive to think he wasn’t aware of what was going on but fair enough I get your point. Anyway with all this tooing and throwing we’re clearly coming at it from 2 very different directions let’s wait and see what’s identified as the case progresses. |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Sept 18, 2022 23:27:59 GMT
Of course they are and it’s sad when a life is lost whatever the persons background but there’s a huge difference in the lives they led. One was a shining beacon and wonderful monarch the other a criminal who was released from prison for posession of a firearm. I feel that one gave a lot more to the country than the other though to some you’d think the roles were reversed. 'a life is lost', you make it sound like the cause was one and the same. One died of of old age at the age of 96 the other was in his early 20's and gunned down in the street. I can see why friends and family think 9 months is too long to wait for an enquiry, I mean it should take about 9 hours to find out what happened. I'm not taking sides here, on such occasions my gut reaction is to side with the police but I totally see why the family would not be happy to be told told to put up and shut up for 9 months! Spot on it’s ridiculous that it should take so long for both the Kaba family and the officer who has to wait for the decision. |
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Post by roylandstoke on Sept 19, 2022 1:02:58 GMT
I don’t like shit music, but after listening to some ‘drill’ I’m glad I don’t have to listen to it ever again What a fuckin clown Kaba You could be more offensive if you want; an earlier poster called this young man a cunt and got away with it. |
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Post by wannabee on Sept 19, 2022 1:19:54 GMT
I'm saying it's not OK to persistently libel someone and I would seriously hope you take your own advise to await the outcome of the investigation. Kaba was convicted of a crime and served the sentence imposed. This is a completely seperate matter to the circumstances of his death of which the facts have yet to be established I see you have not attempted to defend the life choices the Shining Beacon you referred to Libel? Is a written false statement that is damaging to a person's reputation - you have done this several times despite being advised you are incorrect I proposed that you have an agenda for doing so which you deny So why do you persist in doing it?technicalities perhaps in relation to the firearm being a replica but the law says that with the firearm offence it’s the intent of what the person carrying the firearm (replica or not) wanted people to think that completes the offence. Your ignorence persists. There are very clear distinctions in Law between an actual or imitation firearm and the charging and sentencing for each as defined by the CPS
www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/firearmsYou are quite right though in relation to him being found guilty and serving his sentence. We agree on one thing However one of the few facts established so far is that no weapon was in the car or on the person of Kaba after his killing by PoliceIn relation to the county lines. He was part of a drill gang There is no such thing as a Drill Gang, Drill is a musical subset of Hip Hop of which Kaba aka "Itch" was a member of an award winning Musical Group who were 100 percent involved in county lines as was proved by the courts. Bullshit he and many other members of the band were never implicated I believe 2 of the 15 members were charged and convicted If you know different please provide a link
Though not identified as being involved in the offences that the other members were found guilty of and sentenced Now your Racist Prejudice is just shining through as you have no evidence to support your further Libelous Statement you’d be incredibly naive to think he wasn’t aware of what was going on I have no idea and nor do you of what he may have been aware of or what other people were doing You are obviously straying back into the Dark Times of the Notorious SUS Laws which were repealed in 1981
but fair enough I get your point. Do you?
Anyway with all this tooing and throwing we’re clearly coming at it from 2 very different directions let’s wait and see what’s identified as the case progresses. Yes indeed that would be helpful and as a reminder the IOPC are investigating a possible Homicide
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Sept 19, 2022 1:50:03 GMT
Libel? Is a written false statement that is damaging to a person's reputation - you have done this several times despite being advised you are incorrect I proposed that you have an agenda for doing so which you deny So why do you persist in doing it?technicalities perhaps in relation to the firearm being a replica but the law says that with the firearm offence it’s the intent of what the person carrying the firearm (replica or not) wanted people to think that completes the offence. Your ignorence persists. There are very clear distinctions in Law between an actual or imitation firearm and the charging and sentencing for each as defined by the CPS
www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/firearmsYou are quite right though in relation to him being found guilty and serving his sentence. We agree on one thing However one of the few facts established so far is that no weapon was in the car or on the person of Kaba after his killing by PoliceIn relation to the county lines. He was part of a drill gang There is no such thing as a Drill Gang, Drill is a musical subset of Hip Hop of which Kaba aka "Itch" was a member of an award winning Musical Group who were 100 percent involved in county lines as was proved by the courts. Bullshit he and many other members of the band were never implicated I believe 2 of the 15 members were charged and convicted If you know different please provide a link
Though not identified as being involved in the offences that the other members were found guilty of and sentenced Now your Racist Prejudice is just shining through as you have no evidence to support your further Libelous Statement you’d be incredibly naive to think he wasn’t aware of what was going on I have no idea and nor do you of what he may have been aware of or what other people were doing You are obviously straying back into the Dark Times of the Notorious SUS Laws which were repealed in 1981
but fair enough I get your point. Do you?
Anyway with all this tooing and throwing we’re clearly coming at it from 2 very different directions let’s wait and see what’s identified as the case progresses. Yes indeed that would be helpful and as a reminder the IOPC are investigating a possible Homicide
Fair enough you have your views and talk about libel etc and then choose to post “Now your Racist Prejudice is just shining through as you have no evidence to support your further Libelous Statement.” I take great offence at that comment and have to say it’s upset me. I’m not going to explain my background but if you knew me you’d know why. Huddy posted something very similar the other day and his post was immediately deleted by admin. You know nothing about me or my life and though I don’t share your views I find that comment extremely offensive, personal and yes libellous which is strange considering how much you’ve banged on about it over the last 2 days. At no point have I made mention of Kaba’s colour as that is not the issue for me so clearly you have completely misread my angle on what grinds my gears. The reason I feel so strongly is the portrayal by so many on social media as Kaba being a lovely guy and a totally innocent party. No one deserves to die but that goes 2 ways and there is such a thing as self defence / preemptive actions. My biggest issue is around the one sided bias both online and by various politicians and the depiction of the officer as being some sort of murdering scumbag / killer when as you say yourself the case hasn’t been heard yet. No one knows anything about the officer that shot Mr Kaba but many have made their minds up already (I haven’t as I don’t know exactly what happened nor does anyone) and none of my comments have been around the officers imminence just around others jumping the gun re him being a murderer/killer/ racist. The reality is we don’t even know if the officer himself is black as was the case with one of the officers on the bridge. I have a couple of mates who are police officers so maybe I am a little protective towards them and it spills over onto here as I see some of the crap they have to put up with when we go out socially. Believe me though I would be as defensive of the officer if the driver of the vehicle was white it’s just those cases generally aren’t as high profile and don’t tend to raise as much discussion and controversy as the press know it wouldn’t cause the division. So to summarise I’m not racist I’m just touchy around cases where Officers are judged before they’ve had the chance to be heard. And before you come back with some cheap shot about Wayne Cousens. He’s an absolute scumbag who hopefully will get what he deserves inside likewise any corrupt copper that thinks they can abuse their position. After your last post It would be very easy for me to get all personal and abusive back but that’s not my style as you’d know if you’ve read my previous posts. So I’ll leave it at that. |
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Post by knype on Sept 19, 2022 7:41:15 GMT
Are you comparing the queen with Chris Kaba? They were both human beings. Maybe you don't consider people like Kaba to be human, I don't know? I certainly don't consider any other person to be superior to me through some archaic blood line wankery, that is for certain. Ffs... |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Sept 19, 2022 8:20:36 GMT
They were both human beings. Maybe you don't consider people like Kaba to be human, I don't know? I certainly don't consider any other person to be superior to me through some archaic blood line wankery, that is for certain. Ffs... Without being arrogant I’d like to think that morally i’m superior to Atilla the hun Mussolini Jimmy Saville Idi Amin Harold Shipman Fred West and at a push Adolf Hitler. Though I’m sure there’s a few on here that don’t agree  |
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Post by knype on Sept 19, 2022 8:32:22 GMT
Without being arrogant I’d like to think that morally i’m superior to Atilla the hun Mussolini Jimmy Saville Idi Amin Harold Shipman Fred West and at a push Adolf Hitler. Though I’m sure there’s a few on here that don’t agree Ha ha |
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Post by wagsastokie on Sept 19, 2022 8:37:21 GMT
Without being arrogant I’d like to think that morally i’m superior to Atilla the hun Mussolini Jimmy Saville Idi Amin Harold Shipman Fred West and at a push Adolf Hitler. Though I’m sure there’s a few on here that don’t agree Attila the Hun ☹️ I’ve always thought he got a bit of a bad press from those pesky romans Though I’ll agree with the others |
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Post by wagsastokie on Sept 19, 2022 8:43:19 GMT
The fact
If the alleged innocent / guilty ( please delete as to your personal agenda) gentleman had obeyed the request to stop and exit his vehicle he would be alive today
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Post by Gods on Sept 19, 2022 11:34:31 GMT
The fact If the alleged innocent / guilty ( please delete as to your personal agenda) gentleman had obeyed the request to stop and exit his vehicle he would be alive today Yes, but we don't execute arrogant, cock sure dudes who think they are above the law in this country. Perhaps we should but it would require a change to the law and you just wouldn't get it through the House ! |
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Post by wannabee on Sept 19, 2022 13:31:47 GMT
Fair enough you have your views and talk about libel etc and then choose to post “Now your Racist Prejudice is just shining through as you have no evidence to support your further Libelous Statement.” I take great offence at that comment and have to say it’s upset me. I’m not going to explain my background but if you knew me you’d know why. Huddy posted something very similar the other day and his post was immediately deleted by admin. You know nothing about me or my life and though I don’t share your views I find that comment extremely offensive, personal and yes libellous which is strange considering how much you’ve banged on about it over the last 2 days. At no point have I made mention of Kaba’s colour as that is not the issue for me so clearly you have completely misread my angle on what grinds my gears. The reason I feel so strongly is the portrayal by so many on social media as Kaba being a lovely guy and a totally innocent party. No one deserves to die but that goes 2 ways and there is such a thing as self defence / preemptive actions. My biggest issue is around the one sided bias both online and by various politicians and the depiction of the officer as being some sort of murdering scumbag / killer when as you say yourself the case hasn’t been heard yet. No one knows anything about the officer that shot Mr Kaba but many have made their minds up already (I haven’t as I don’t know exactly what happened nor does anyone) and none of my comments have been around the officers imminence just around others jumping the gun re him being a murderer/killer/ racist. The reality is we don’t even know if the officer himself is black as was the case with one of the officers on the bridge. I have a couple of mates who are police officers so maybe I am a little protective towards them and it spills over onto here as I see some of the crap they have to put up with when we go out socially. Believe me though I would be as defensive of the officer if the driver of the vehicle was white it’s just those cases generally aren’t as high profile and don’t tend to raise as much discussion and controversy as the press know it wouldn’t cause the division. So to summarise I’m not racist I’m just touchy around cases where Officers are judged before they’ve had the chance to be heard. And before you come back with some cheap shot about Wayne Cousens. He’s an absolute scumbag who hopefully will get what he deserves inside likewise any corrupt copper that thinks they can abuse their position. After your last post It would be very easy for me to get all personal and abusive back but that’s not my style as you’d know if you’ve read my previous posts. So I’ll leave it at that. Libel isn't a matter of debate its a matter of fact and you have persistently posted things which are simply not true even after it has been pointed out to you several times they are untrue Why would you do that? You say your biggest issue is the one sided positive portrayal of Kaba versus a negative opinion of the Police Officer who shot him on Social Media, previously you claimed this was on MSM and I asked you to provide an example. I can only take your word for it as personally other than this MB I don't participate in SM. I would suggest you review the SM Platforms you use if they offend you so much. Ironically you then proceed to post false information about Kaba on this MB despite it being pointed out to you it is false or at least untrue There is a world of difference between a real or an imitation firearm The former can kill you the latter can make you shit your pants. Kaba was convicted of having the latter yet you have consistently reported it was the real McCoy and when pointed out to you you claim this is a mere technicality Is this not "one sided" reporting? It is certainly False and Untrue You have continuously impugned that because Kaba and others were members of a Musical Group in which 2 of the 15 members were convicted of County Lines involvement then "100%" they are all guilty Thankfully this woolyheaded thinking was outlawed in the Supreme Court case R v Jogee in 2015 which determined that the Judiciary had been incorrect for 30 years in its interpretation eachother.org.uk/joint-enterprise-does-conviction-by-association-pose-a-risk-to-human-rights/Guilt by Association is a Common Trope frequently used as a negative reinforcement towards the BAME community I have said from the outset that my only hope is the IOPC investigation is carried out efficiently and as swiftly as possible I have certainly made no comment whatsoever on the Police Officer who fired the shot and it is entirely irrelevant what colour his skin may be or why that speculation is being introduced by you For the record I think Jeremy Corbyn's intervention is unhelpful and only adds to the pressure on IOPC as they carry out their investigations. There are two investigations One is a Homicide Investigation the second whether Race played a part in the Police Actions |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Sept 19, 2022 13:42:35 GMT
Fair enough you have your views and talk about libel etc and then choose to post “Now your Racist Prejudice is just shining through as you have no evidence to support your further Libelous Statement.” I take great offence at that comment and have to say it’s upset me. I’m not going to explain my background but if you knew me you’d know why. Huddy posted something very similar the other day and his post was immediately deleted by admin. You know nothing about me or my life and though I don’t share your views I find that comment extremely offensive, personal and yes libellous which is strange considering how much you’ve banged on about it over the last 2 days. At no point have I made mention of Kaba’s colour as that is not the issue for me so clearly you have completely misread my angle on what grinds my gears. The reason I feel so strongly is the portrayal by so many on social media as Kaba being a lovely guy and a totally innocent party. No one deserves to die but that goes 2 ways and there is such a thing as self defence / preemptive actions. My biggest issue is around the one sided bias both online and by various politicians and the depiction of the officer as being some sort of murdering scumbag / killer when as you say yourself the case hasn’t been heard yet. No one knows anything about the officer that shot Mr Kaba but many have made their minds up already (I haven’t as I don’t know exactly what happened nor does anyone) and none of my comments have been around the officers imminence just around others jumping the gun re him being a murderer/killer/ racist. The reality is we don’t even know if the officer himself is black as was the case with one of the officers on the bridge. I have a couple of mates who are police officers so maybe I am a little protective towards them and it spills over onto here as I see some of the crap they have to put up with when we go out socially. Believe me though I would be as defensive of the officer if the driver of the vehicle was white it’s just those cases generally aren’t as high profile and don’t tend to raise as much discussion and controversy as the press know it wouldn’t cause the division. So to summarise I’m not racist I’m just touchy around cases where Officers are judged before they’ve had the chance to be heard. And before you come back with some cheap shot about Wayne Cousens. He’s an absolute scumbag who hopefully will get what he deserves inside likewise any corrupt copper that thinks they can abuse their position. After your last post It would be very easy for me to get all personal and abusive back but that’s not my style as you’d know if you’ve read my previous posts. So I’ll leave it at that. Libel isn't a matter of debate its a matter of fact and you have persistently posted things which are simply not true even after it has been pointed out to you several times they are untrue Why would you do that? You say your biggest issue is the one sided positive portrayal of Kaba versus a negative opinion of the Police Officer who shot him on Social Media, previously you claimed this was on MSM and I asked you to provide an example. I can only take your word for it as personally other than this MB I don't participate in SM. I would suggest you review the SM Platforms you use if they offend you so much. Ironically you then proceed to post false information about Kaba on this MB despite it being pointed out to you it is false or at least untrue There is a world of difference between a real or an imitation firearm The former can kill you the latter can make you shit your pants. Kaba was convicted of having the latter yet you have consistently reported it was the real McCoy and when pointed out to you you claim this is a mere technicality Is this not "one sided" reporting? It is certainly False and Untrue You have continuously impugned that because Kaba and others were members of a Musical Group in which 2 of the 15 members were convicted of County Lines involvement then "100%" they are all guilty Thankfully this woolyheaded thinking was outlawed in the Supreme Court case R v Jogee in 2015 which determined that the Judiciary had been incorrect for 30 years in its interpretation eachother.org.uk/joint-enterprise-does-conviction-by-association-pose-a-risk-to-human-rights/Guilt by Association is a Common Trope frequently used as a negative reinforcement towards the BAME community I have said from the outset that my only hope is the IOPC investigation is carried out efficiently and as swiftly as possible I have certainly made no comment whatsoever on the Police Officer who fired the shot and it is entirely irrelevant what colour his skin may be or why that speculation is being introduced by you For the record I think Jeremy Corbyn's intervention is unhelpful and only adds to the pressure on IOPC as they carry out their investigations. There are two investigations One is a Homicide Investigation the second whether Race played a part in the Police Actions and your comment “Now your Racist Prejudice is just shining through as you have no evidence to support your further Libelous Statement.” I can handle the other criticism and fair play to you for looking into it but what about this comment? You appear to have missed that explanation off your rather lengthy reply. I’m sure it’s an oversight on your part. |
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Post by wannabee on Sept 19, 2022 15:27:39 GMT
I think it is entirely self evident from a set of behaviours If a person continuously posts a set of falsehoods at a particular person or grouping and continues to do so after being advised to the contrary then its safe to assume that person has little interest in the truth other to post their own version of it to show bias towards that person or grouping It comes from the abridged Maxim "if it walks like a Duck, talks like a Duck, it probably is a Duck" Character Is quite different to behaviour which is where you may be confused www.differencebetween.info/difference-between-character-and-behavior |
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