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Post by partickpotter on Sept 14, 2022 6:17:50 GMT
No excuses.
Love it.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Sept 14, 2022 6:35:57 GMT
Does talk some sense.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Sept 14, 2022 6:53:25 GMT
I think AN's big idea is that we should train harder and try harder. I could have told him that but I'm glad to hear it. we did look a lot fitter tonight than we have done. I bet he has had them running their bollox off. You don’t get super fit in that space of time, just a bit achy with the training at early days, it will be a few more weeks until it kicks in. Which makes me think it’s mostly mentality and leadership
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Post by Rick Grimes on Sept 14, 2022 6:55:08 GMT
Loved his answer to losing Bonham before kick off. I think we've been a club that's found it too easy just to blame other stuff for far too long, probably since the good days under Hughes. We're going places under this fella, I'm absolutely certain. It was so refreshing to hear that. I’m certain from hearing MON’s interviews that he’d have said something along the lines of it Bursik coming in late had the potential to derail things a bit and he’s glad it didn’t. Neil on the other hand makes no excuses, you’ve got the opportunity to play so go and do it.
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Post by theonlooker on Sept 14, 2022 6:55:09 GMT
Come on, let's be honest. He's been making excuses about the fitness and lack of balance in the squad since he walked through the door, and some have lapped it up.
Had we lost last night they would have been trotted out again. All manager's do it until they win a few games.
Last night was a good win and performance. Onwards and upwards.
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Post by leicspotter on Sept 14, 2022 6:58:31 GMT
I haven’t said they don’t make a massive difference. But take Leeds fans with Bielsa. I simply don’t get it. Their love meant he was sacked 6 months too late and they were nearly relegated because of it. It just doesn’t make sense to be like that. I agree that Neil will make a huge difference but ultimately he will leave in bad terms cos he moved to bigger and better things or because of failure. That’s the managers lot. But it seems daft to me to get attached to such transient entities. And the same goes for players. Love them whilst they’re here but once they’re past it - get rid. I think that's the 'cult' of the supporter really isn't it? A bit of a hollow experience if you don't laud players and manager's that bring you success. There are so many that don't. Without the people and faces and the memories they conjure, Stoke City is just a shell isn't it? Yep, some supporters really are "cults"...
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Post by Rick Grimes on Sept 14, 2022 7:03:23 GMT
Come on, let's be honest. He's been making excuses about the fitness and lack of balance in the squad since he walked through the door, and some have lapped it up. Had we lost last night they would have been trotted out again. All manager's do it until they win a few games. Last night was a good win and performance. Onwards and upwards. It’s a fitness and mentality issue isn’t it, just simple things like Neil talking about togetherness and if your mate is in trouble go and help him. MON might have said it behind it closed doors but I can’t recall hearing stuff like that in any of his interviews.
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Post by march4 on Sept 14, 2022 7:08:12 GMT
I’m not bothered if folk are comparing AN to TP, Lou, Durban or Waddo.
They were all successful managers.
Tonight I saw success built on the foundations of a strong, well-organised defence. Just like all of the above.
And with quick passing that was positive and with a focal point in Delap.
I saw a series of dangerous set pieces that will hopefully give us the edge in future games amongst more capable defences.
It wasn’t just the result that delighted me but the manner of our performance.
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Post by lordb on Sept 14, 2022 7:10:38 GMT
Come on, let's be honest. He's been making excuses about the fitness and lack of balance in the squad since he walked through the door, and some have lapped it up. Had we lost last night they would have been trotted out again. All manager's do it until they win a few games. Last night was a good win and performance. Onwards and upwards. Don’t see it as an excuse, I see his fitness assessment as him identifying an issue that needs redressing
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Post by ted1965 on Sept 14, 2022 7:11:44 GMT
That makes such a difference to everyone’s mood a decent performance that shows what can be done with decent organization and the players understanding what’s being asked of them.
The defence looked totally unified and we looked solid which is a nice change for once I wasn’t watching from behind my fingers every time Hull attacked. Bursik came into the side and looked a different keeper, he didn’t look like a rabbit caught in the headlights as he had so many times recently.
The midfield knew their jobs and delivered chances and worked for each other again simple football ethics but something they had failed to do on more times that I can remember. There’s still a long way to go and we will face better sides than Hull but it’s an excellent start and well done to all involved but now we have set the standard and it’s up to the players to move it upwards and not settle back into the bad old routines they had become used to.
I like how Alex Neil just said it’s a good start and he didn’t get carried away as he is well aware one swallow doesn’t make a summer and until it’s repeated time and time again there’s nothing more than 3 points to celebrate just yet.
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Post by lordb on Sept 14, 2022 7:13:15 GMT
That makes such a difference to everyone’s mood a decent performance that shows what can be done with decent organization and the players understanding what’s being asked of them. The defence looked totally unified and we looked solid which is a nice change for once I wasn’t watching from behind my fingers every time Hull attacked. Bursik came into the side and looked a different keeper, he didn’t look like a rabbit caught in the headlights as he had so many times recently. The midfield knew their jobs and delivered chances and worked for each other again simple football ethics but something they had failed to do on more times that I can remember. There’s still a long way to go and we will face better sides than Hull but it’s an excellent start and well done to all involved but now we have set the standard and it’s up to the players to move it upwards and not settle back into the bad old routines they had become used to. I like how Alex Neil just said it’s a good start and he didn’t get carried away as he is well aware one swallow doesn’t make a summer and until it’s repeated time and time again there’s nothing more than 3 points to celebrate just yet. Not sure we will face better sides as there aren't any decent sides in the division this season
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Post by onlyonesirstan on Sept 14, 2022 7:51:08 GMT
Had a look on bbc sport website to see what our boss and theirs said about the result, but nothing. Yet every other game had comments from both managers
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 14, 2022 7:55:18 GMT
They’re totally irrelevant though. At least with Macari he has made a massive impact in the area past his management and that’s absolutely sensational. He didn’t have to and I wouldn’t expect anyone from out of the area to that so bless him that he has. It’s absolutely amazing to be honest and he deserves all the recognition in the world for the work he does for this city. What a man. But I don’t get the fixation with wanting to love managers. Generally they’re fly by night sorts who come and go. Macari being the obvious exception. And this is nothing against Neil. I think he’ll do well. I wanted him. But he’s disposable. As are we….look at Sunderland. And Pulis being the other obvious exception 😉 Why? He’s fucked off back down south and does nothing around here since we sacked him does he?
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Post by RF10 on Sept 14, 2022 8:05:52 GMT
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Post by nottsover60 on Sept 14, 2022 8:10:32 GMT
we did look a lot fitter tonight than we have done. I bet he has had them running their bollox off. Which begs the question,what the fuck HAS been going on in training over the last few seasons.It’s not rocket science,the fitter you are,the better you will generally play. MON spent far too much time analysing games which I bet the players hated. Unless addressing a consistent failing and using several examples to demonstrate your point and making it a focus of a training session, I see no point in going over a match and discussing why the opposition scored. MON often talked about doing this sort of thing in the training session after a match. It just makes players nervous and edgy in a match. Could explain why Bursik looked more confident last night knowing that his performance wouldn't be put under the spotlight.
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Post by logdog on Sept 14, 2022 8:14:47 GMT
I think that's the 'cult' of the supporter really isn't it? A bit of a hollow experience if you don't laud players and manager's that bring you success. There are so many that don't. Without the people and faces and the memories they conjure, Stoke City is just a shell isn't it? Laud them but be ruthless. They are there to be traded. They will leave you at the drop of a hat. I think being sentimental has been very detrimental for this club this last 6/7 years. Fans and the board alike need to be more ruthless. Neil seems ruthless. I like it. I also think he’d leave us at the drop of the hat and would be hated. I like that too. Psychologist’s dream is this post, Bayern. Do you have some abandonment issues going on mate?😉😆
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 14, 2022 8:23:32 GMT
Laud them but be ruthless. They are there to be traded. They will leave you at the drop of a hat. I think being sentimental has been very detrimental for this club this last 6/7 years. Fans and the board alike need to be more ruthless. Neil seems ruthless. I like it. I also think he’d leave us at the drop of the hat and would be hated. I like that too. Psychologist’s dream is this post, Bayern. Do you have some abandonment issues going on mate?😉😆 No. But football is ruthless. Players and managers don’t stay for long so it seems daft to get attached doesn’t it? They’re there to be traded not loved.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 14, 2022 8:44:19 GMT
Without the players and managers the club is just an empty shell of meaningless symbols. What is it about Stoke City you actually support? The shirt? The ground? A name in a league table?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 14, 2022 8:48:26 GMT
Without the players and managers the club is just an empty shell of meaningless symbols. What is it about Stoke City you actually support? The shirt? The ground? A name in a league table? They are a fleeting part of it. Here one day, gone the next. The club is a massive part of the community in Stoke-on-Trent. A massive part of our souls. Players and managers are meaningless in comparison.
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 14, 2022 8:53:49 GMT
A reason for hope!
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Post by callas12 on Sept 14, 2022 9:00:56 GMT
we did look a lot fitter tonight than we have done. I bet he has had them running their bollox off. Which begs the question,what the fuck HAS been going on in training over the last few seasons.It’s not rocket science,the fitter you are,the better you will generally play. Exactly this, & perhaps just as important I'm sure is that being fitter has an added value of less injuries in the longer term. Sorry if your reading this Jack Bonham! 😉🤣
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 14, 2022 9:01:24 GMT
One thing Neil can be credited for already is that he has brought a new flame into Fox. A player who was on the brink of being sent out of the club, but has looked like a new player since Neil's arrival.
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Post by nott1 on Sept 14, 2022 9:28:36 GMT
The football doesn’t thankfully. BM Spoiled it by getting us in the premier League eh?
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Post by spiderpuss on Sept 14, 2022 11:57:29 GMT
Can we get some better mics for the interview, or at least the one Angela uses. The sound quality is poor.
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Post by TinkerT on Sept 14, 2022 12:05:54 GMT
A sign of a successful manager and team is not getting too up after a victory and too down after a loss, fergie built all his teams around this philosophy and did him no.harm
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Post by anchorman on Sept 14, 2022 13:24:34 GMT
Why do TP or Macari get bought up so often? The cult of manager is strange. Hopefully Neil can implement his own plan and it will be successful and then he will either leave because of success or will fail. And we all move on. Because they were successful. They’re the benchmark. They brought what I believe AN will bring to the job and that is energy, determination, commitment, organisation, clarity and togetherness. All the ingredients that have been missing for years. You can talk systems, tactics, quality but it means absolutely nothing if you haven’t got all of the above.
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Post by anchorman on Sept 14, 2022 13:29:25 GMT
I’m not bothered if folk are comparing AN to TP, Lou, Durban or Waddo. They were all successful managers. Tonight I saw success built on the foundations of a strong, well-organised defence. Just like all of the above. And with quick passing that was positive and with a focal point in Delap. I saw a series of dangerous set pieces that will hopefully give us the edge in future games amongst more capable defences. It wasn’t just the result that delighted me but the manner of our performance. I couldn’t agree more March. Spot on, it was a pleasure to be there and it feels like we’ve got our club, our team back. To me it was a proper Stoke City performance. Each & every player gave everything they had and left everything out there and you can’t ask for anymore than that. Superb performance.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2022 13:31:39 GMT
Why do TP or Macari get bought up so often? The cult of manager is strange. Hopefully Neil can implement his own plan and it will be successful and then he will either leave because of success or will fail. And we all move on. The cult Yet again, going ridiculously over the top with your point of view. If you can't understand why a football fan (fanatic) would want to laud their clubs most successful managers I'd suggest you are following the wrong sport.
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Post by logdog on Sept 14, 2022 15:44:03 GMT
Psychologist’s dream is this post, Bayern. Do you have some abandonment issues going on mate?😉😆 No. But football is ruthless. Players and managers don’t stay for long so it seems daft to get attached doesn’t it? They’re there to be traded not loved. You don’t half chat some brown stuff. Of course the club is the one constant. Without players and managers, though, there would be nothing to watch in the first place. It’s only normal to have favourites and players we love to hate. You are the last one to lecture on this with your over the top opinions on players…
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Sept 14, 2022 16:04:20 GMT
Which begs the question,what the fuck HAS been going on in training over the last few seasons.It’s not rocket science,the fitter you are,the better you will generally play. MON spent far too much time analysing games which I bet the players hated. Unless addressing a consistent failing and using several examples to demonstrate your point and making it a focus of a training session, I see no point in going over a match and discussing why the opposition scored. MON often talked about doing this sort of thing in the training session after a match. It just makes players nervous and edgy in a match. Could explain why Bursik looked more confident last night knowing that his performance wouldn't be put under the spotlight. "Have to be braver on the ball" I heard him say it countless times. It's no use asking players to be brave then in post mortem attributing blame for everything tried and didn't come off, gave possession away, ventured out of position. I didn't know it was a big thing with MON but long suspected it. Also ties in with blame culture in only examining the mistakes and not mitigating them against the contribution. Several posters were highly critical of Wilmot after the Reading game including some suggesting he should be dropped. They were isolating the mistakes he made without taking account of the contribution he made and the ammount of additional contribution he was being asked to attempt to provide in comparison to his defensive counterparts. I was very confident he'd retain his place as I just couldn't see a CB taking on that level of risk in attempting to make such a large contribution right up the pitch without it being an agreed part of the gameplan at the direction of the manager. Apparently Fox had had a better game even though he'd made no significant contribution either offensively or defensively because he hadn't made any glaring mistakes. That is a very dangerous culture to get into.
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