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Post by Ron on Sept 7, 2022 18:04:29 GMT
Public transport in Stoke on Trent is, frankly, a disgrace. Red or blue, whoever has been in change have never done anything to improve it. The town is becoming like the land that time forgot. But , hey Ho, let’s build some empty units in Hanley and open a new library in tunstall. There u go peasants- you’ve been levelled up.
However- on the point of last night- there was poor traffic management in and around the ground coupled with the fact many stokies who wikl have left at a similar time as normal and expected to get up to the ground in the same timeframe- discounting the fact there would be a large number travelling from outside the area.
We’ve had 28 knplus crowds in the prem regular and I’ve never seen anything like the shambles last night.
As for a station- we need effective public transport throughout the city a station by the ground on a match day would be costly and murder to police.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2022 18:09:38 GMT
It put Ogdenville on the map. "I call the big one Bitey" |
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Post by skip on Sept 7, 2022 18:22:07 GMT
One thing I think it certain is that the developers and backers behind the Britt did not envisage themselves trying to get to a game on a wet and windy Tuesday night,
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Post by liathroid on Sept 7, 2022 18:32:51 GMT
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Sept 7, 2022 18:51:07 GMT
One thing I think it certain is that the developers and backers behind the Britt did not envisage themselves trying to get to a game on a wet and windy Tuesday night, There is absolutely no aspect of the ground that was designed and built by anyone who had ever attended a football match in their life. |
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Post by J-Roar on Sept 7, 2022 19:43:24 GMT
I mean if we were to build a new stadium, I may have misinterpreted the first posters statement. Why would we build a new stadium , ours is only 25 yrs old , we were in the last one over 100 years We obviously won't. But to answer your question: 1. It's shit - was built on the cheap and is seemingly impossible to improve. 2. It's a nightmare to get to and away from. 3. There's nothing round it unless you're in the market for a new motor. 4. The wind makes it impossible to play good football. All in my opinion of course. |
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Post by owdestokie2 on Sept 7, 2022 21:13:58 GMT
Why would we build a new stadium , ours is only 25 yrs old , we were in the last one over 100 years We obviously won't. But to answer your question: 1. It's shit - was built on the cheap and is seemingly impossible to improve. 2. It's a nightmare to get to and away from. 3. There's nothing round it unless you're in the market for a new motor. 4. The wind makes it impossible to play good football. All in my opinion of course. Point 3 A question. Is it the only entertainment (don’t laugh) venue in the U.K. where vehicles mix with pedestrians accessing and egressing the stadium? When the stadium was being built the A50 was still a dirt road in initial stages of development. A bulldozer would have created a link from the stadium car parks to the A50 within a couple of days, a link road costing just above zero in real terms. At least traffic flow would have been one way. How many years did it take to create a 100/200m slip from the Blurton roundabout to the Trentham Lakes site? Piss poor foresight and planning from the onset of developing the whole site. Access to and from the Trentham/Longton Road 😂😂😂😂😂 |
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Post by spoton on Sept 7, 2022 21:55:47 GMT
One thing I think it certain is that the developers and backers behind the Britt did not envisage themselves trying to get to a game on a wet and windy Tuesday night, There is absolutely no aspect of the ground that was designed and built by anyone who had ever attended a football match in their life. Myself with a few others attended meetings with the architect and stoke in the early planning, it took place at the old Vic, the stadium as it is now is not how it was first planned, a couple of things i remember were the corner where the score board is community leisure corner with gym etc, tunnel was in the middle, but also remember that the position of the home fan's was discussed and i think on fan feed back the fans decided that the home end was where it is because it was nearer to the boothen end at the old Vic |
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Post by generationex on Sept 7, 2022 22:13:30 GMT
There was nothing by the ground when it was built except clay/soil mounds. That’s why it was built a mile from anything - it ‘regenerated’ the former brown field of Trentham Superpit. No other considerations were important : parking, the death of Stoke town or proper road or rail access. It’s the M.O of St Modwen.
Anything could have been incorporated, but the pressing issue was reducing cost. Infrastructure is expensive and gives no immediate bang-for-the-buck.
It was always going to bite us on the arse. It did years ago, and will cost a lot more to fix now than it would have, if done properly in 1997.
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Post by nottsover60 on Sept 8, 2022 7:23:46 GMT
This thread sounds like a computer game where you build a football ground from scratch in fantasy cuckoo land.
Can anyone tell me how many trains use the line behind the ground or do we expect British rail to introduce a whole new timetable for Stoke matchday, even when changed at the last minute or for cup games arranged 2/3weeks in advance?
I have read implying that the club/Coates should fund the building of such a station - so it won't belong to British Rail so why should they run trains to it or are we suggesting we should just give BR the money to build it?
Normal match day traffic is largely at the moment caused by home fans. How many of them live near a station or are we expecting them to drive to a station, catch a train, queue to catch a train home then drive home?
Building a tram service is expensive and again only runs along one or two routes not just running in a mazy line round everywhere. NET in Nottingham opened one line 20 years ago and another 10 years ago linking 4 Park and ride stations to the middle of the city. Despite being well used, having a station at the hospital and Nottingham having a workplace parking levy on firm's providing parking to employees in the city, it is losing approx £20 million a year and has nowhere near paid for its construction yet.
Manchester is quoted as an example of how it could work but my son and husband used to use it regularly when my son was at uni there but said the queues getting away after the game were so bad they decided to drive in and park up at one of the businesses around the ground or catch it before the match and get me to pick them up afterwards near the ground.
We are where we are and have to put up with it. Away fans do tend to drive to a ground expecting to be able to find parking and I do think better signage would help. The number of times we get held up by people without passes trying to get on the North car park is infuriating and would be alleviated if there were signs on the lead up directing drivers without tickets straight down towards Trentham. The idea of a P&R somewhere on the Trentham side might work but at the moment a lot of the holdups seem to be due to stopping cars to allow buses through. You would need to encourage people to use them but if you are 70+ or unfirm on your feet you can't queue for a bus and then stand on it to get to your car.
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Post by stokiepmre89 (Tom) on Sept 8, 2022 8:22:10 GMT
So we’re mostly all in agreement then. Our ground is shit and we should knock it down and get b365 to cough up a cheeky few hundred milli to build us an amazing new ground (with standing areas) in a decent urban location nearer to one of the towns? I think this should be raised at the next meet the chairman night.
In all seriousness I do wonder what John thinks of our ground. I suspect the hierarchy might understandably not have negative feelings towards it, or even be aware that there’s an undercurrent of us who dislike our own home.
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Post by J-Roar on Sept 8, 2022 8:40:20 GMT
There is absolutely no aspect of the ground that was designed and built by anyone who had ever attended a football match in their life. Myself with a few others attended meetings with the architect and stoke in the early planning, it took place at the old Vic, the stadium as it is now is not how it was first planned, a couple of things i remember were the corner where the score board is community leisure corner with gym etc, tunnel was in the middle, but also remember that the position of the home fan's was discussed and i think on fan feed back the fans decided that the home end was where it is because it was nearer to the boothen end at the old Vic What a ludicrous reason to have the Boothen where it is! |
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Post by sticky on Sept 8, 2022 8:40:20 GMT
A lot of the traffic/foot fall would be reduced if there was actually something to do by the ground. The usual suspects call a “fan zone” wank and a waste of time, but I dare say it’d stagger the arrival/departure times of a lot of folk. If it’s to be done it needs to be done in a way that will attract people and not be like the food and drink in the ground (shit and a complete rip off)
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Post by str8outtahampton on Sept 8, 2022 8:52:54 GMT
Arguably in an infinite universe it will by definition happen. But probably not in the next trillion years or so. I was once told that when the London-NW-Scotland railway was being built in the 19th Century, Stoke had the chance to be the hub in the North Midlands. That was blocked by local landowners, and the prize went to Crewe. Along with the investment, industry, skills, jobs, population, etc. I have no idea whether that is true, but it is the sort of Stokie own goal that would not remotely surprise me. Back in the 1840s Liverpool and Dublin (Holyhead) were more significant than they are today in respect of post and travel to and from London and that might explain the choice of Crewe over Stoke. Crewe could have been chosen over Stoke for all sorts of reasons - eg topography, engineering feasibility, and so on. Or simply the greasing of the right palms. But I suspect back in the mid 19th century Crewe was a tiny place (and only grew because of the railway) - and as it can't be much more than 10 or so miles closer to Liverpool and Holyhead than Stoke, I doubt that was a reason. But as I say, I am only guessing... |
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Post by spoton on Sept 8, 2022 9:04:00 GMT
Myself with a few others attended meetings with the architect and stoke in the early planning, it took place at the old Vic, the stadium as it is now is not how it was first planned, a couple of things i remember were the corner where the score board is community leisure corner with gym etc, tunnel was in the middle, but also remember that the position of the home fan's was discussed and i think on fan feed back the fans decided that the home end was where it is because it was nearer to the boothen end at the old Vic What a ludicrous reason to have the Boothen where it is! If i remember correctly the majority of the fans wanted to stay at the old vic ground and redevelop that area, but because the owners of the ground were promised free funding from the council etc to relocate it was always their view to move, probably if they were as rich as they are now we would have stayed, but the funding was only available to move to the area we are at now, no where else in the city |
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Post by stokest5 on Sept 8, 2022 9:05:50 GMT
They should make use of the mode of transport already there. The canal. Build a super barge and ferry the masses in.
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Post by clintonbaptiste on Sept 8, 2022 9:15:08 GMT
We were asking for trouble building the stadium on a development with one access road.
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Post by spoton on Sept 8, 2022 9:19:36 GMT
The sudden decision by michelin that their large car park was not to be used shortly after the ground was open really caused the owners and planers problems, originally this large car park was going to be a short walk away and shuttle bus, but when their employees could not vacate the car park at night matches (no thought given regards midweek match times) that's when the problem started, using small pieces of land near the ground to be used for parking was only a short term measure
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Post by J-Roar on Sept 8, 2022 9:25:40 GMT
They should make use of the mode of transport already there. The canal. Build a super barge and ferry the masses in. Jet skis |
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Post by J-Roar on Sept 8, 2022 9:27:17 GMT
What a ludicrous reason to have the Boothen where it is! If i remember correctly the majority of the fans wanted to stay at the old vic ground and redevelop that area, but because the owners of the ground were promised free funding from the council etc to relocate it was always their view to move, probably if they were as rich as they are now we would have stayed, but the funding was only available to move to the area we are at now, no where else in the city But to change the ground so the Boothen could be nearer the old Boothen by 100 yards is ridiculous. |
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Post by spoton on Sept 8, 2022 9:44:20 GMT
If i remember correctly the majority of the fans wanted to stay at the old vic ground and redevelop that area, but because the owners of the ground were promised free funding from the council etc to relocate it was always their view to move, probably if they were as rich as they are now we would have stayed, but the funding was only available to move to the area we are at now, no where else in the city But to change the ground so the Boothen could be nearer the old Boothen by 100 yards is ridiculous. What it was i remember the fans wanted the stand called Boothen end(over looking the old boothen end) that was certain but they would not have away fans in a stand with the name Boothen, so only decision could be to have away fans at the other end |
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Post by toppercorner on Sept 8, 2022 9:54:43 GMT
So we’re mostly all in agreement then. Our ground is shit and we should knock it down and get b365 to cough up a cheeky few hundred milli to build us an amazing new ground (with standing areas) in a decent urban location nearer to one of the towns? I think this should be raised at the next meet the chairman night. In all seriousness I do wonder what John thinks of our ground. I suspect the hierarchy might understandably not have negative feelings towards it, or even be aware that there’s an undercurrent of us who dislike our own home. yep, total shite. Has been since the day it opened. Someone mentioned on a thread somewhere, that there was room on land running alongside City Road in Fenton. I haven't been that way for so long, i personally have no idea. I don't think that's a bad shout. Kind of brings together both Stoke and Fenton, plus the train station is nearby for transport links. (i know it's highly unlikely). |
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Post by stokiepmre89 (Tom) on Sept 8, 2022 9:56:40 GMT
But to change the ground so the Boothen could be nearer the old Boothen by 100 yards is ridiculous. What it was i remember the fans wanted the stand called Boothen end(over looking the old boothen end) that was certain but they would not have away fans in a stand with the name Boothen, so only decision could be to have away fans at the other end Weird because I remember (if I’m remembering correctly) there was some sort of pre-game fanfare for renaming the north stand “the boothen end” but it must’ve been a good few years after we’d moved in. I’m thinking it was at least 5 years after. |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Sept 8, 2022 10:04:09 GMT
But to change the ground so the Boothen could be nearer the old Boothen by 100 yards is ridiculous. What it was i remember the fans wanted the stand called Boothen end(over looking the old boothen end) that was certain but they would not have away fans in a stand with the name Boothen, so only decision could be to have away fans at the other end But if we'd have had the South Stand as the 'Boothen End' the new ground would have been the same configuration as the old ground. And with the gap in the corner, on a clear day (when the incinerator wasn't belching smoke out) you'd have been able to actually see the area known as Boothen. |
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Post by spoton on Sept 8, 2022 10:31:54 GMT
What it was i remember the fans wanted the stand called Boothen end(over looking the old boothen end) that was certain but they would not have away fans in a stand with the name Boothen, so only decision could be to have away fans at the other end Weird because I remember (if I’m remembering correctly) there was some sort of pre-game fanfare for renaming the north stand “the boothen end” but it must’ve been a good few years after we’d moved in. I’m thinking it was at least 5 years after. Yes that is correct it was known really as North stand but the fans called it boothen end from the start |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2022 11:04:23 GMT
What it was i remember the fans wanted the stand called Boothen end(over looking the old boothen end) that was certain but they would not have away fans in a stand with the name Boothen, so only decision could be to have away fans at the other end Weird because I remember (if I’m remembering correctly) there was some sort of pre-game fanfare for renaming the north stand “the boothen end” but it must’ve been a good few years after we’d moved in. I’m thinking it was at least 5 years after. That's right, yep |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2022 11:06:54 GMT
What a ludicrous reason to have the Boothen where it is! If i remember correctly the majority of the fans wanted to stay at the old vic ground and redevelop that area, but because the owners of the ground were promised free funding from the council etc to relocate it was always their view to move, probably if they were as rich as they are now we would have stayed, but the funding was only available to move to the area we are at now, no where else in the city Pretty much how it happened as the costs to redevelop the old ground were huge and not the room to improve hospitality etc |
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Post by misterj on Sept 8, 2022 11:11:10 GMT
The original plans for the new stadium included a train station, all rubber stamped by the council, the club and the funding stream which I think was European community money due to the new ground being just inside former boundary of hem Heath coal mine which was why they got the regeneration money in the first place. The philosophy of the council was: get SCFC to move onto trentham lakes and businesses would follow, most fans/residents thought “that’ll never happen” but it DID!! Now the club need to make sure the other half of the deal Comes to fruition ie: the train station. With a f…..ing obscene family kitty of five billion (or whatever it is) they should me made to fund it. Regular trains on match days to stop there plus a couple of ‘specials’ one from Crewe Alsager etc and one from congleton Kidsgrove etc then during the match they’re held in sidings ready for the return trip. Not f…..ing rocket science is it?? Or is it!!! Really?
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Post by scfc75 on Sept 8, 2022 11:21:35 GMT
The original plans for the new stadium included a train station, all rubber stamped by the council, the club and the funding stream which I think was European community money due to the new ground being just inside former boundary of hem Heath coal mine which was why they got the regeneration money in the first place. The philosophy of the council was: get SCFC to move onto trentham lakes and businesses would follow, most fans/residents thought “that’ll never happen” but it DID!! Now the club need to make sure the other half of the deal Comes to fruition ie: the train station. With a f…..ing obscene family kitty of five billion (or whatever it is) they should me made to fund it. Regular trains on match days to stop there plus a couple of ‘specials’ one from Crewe Alsager etc and one from congleton Kidsgrove etc then during the match they’re held in sidings ready for the return trip. Not f…..ing rocket science is it?? Or is it!!! Really? Who is going to MAKE the Coates’ pay for it?😂 And why the fuck should they? |
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Post by Veritas on Sept 8, 2022 11:25:48 GMT
The original plans for the new stadium included a train station, all rubber stamped by the council, the club and the funding stream which I think was European community money due to the new ground being just inside former boundary of hem Heath coal mine which was why they got the regeneration money in the first place. The philosophy of the council was: get SCFC to move onto trentham lakes and businesses would follow, most fans/residents thought “that’ll never happen” but it DID!! Now the club need to make sure the other half of the deal Comes to fruition ie: the train station. With a f…..ing obscene family kitty of five billion (or whatever it is) they should me made to fund it. Regular trains on match days to stop there plus a couple of ‘specials’ one from Crewe Alsager etc and one from congleton Kidsgrove etc then during the match they’re held in sidings ready for the return trip. Not f…..ing rocket science is it?? Or is it!!! Really? " specials" You are in cloud cuckoo land! There is no space on running schedules for extra stops for scheduled services, which wouldn't have the required capacity anyway. There is also certainly no timetable space, spare rolling stock or drivers for specials. |
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