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Post by J-Roar on Sept 7, 2022 14:07:41 GMT
What is needed is a whole new ground. Let's face it, the Britannia is where we play our home games but it's not home for many. Build it somewhere with good bus routes from the all areas of the Potteries, ideally not far walk from to the Station. Where could it be built? Oh hang on It took them 10 years to decide to build a new corner. I dread to think how long they'd take for a new ground. I know it's easy to spend someone else's money but if I was a billionaire I'd want to build a legacy and I wouldn't want my name or my company's name associated with that soulless, freezing shit tip. |
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Post by matelot1996 on Sept 7, 2022 14:09:00 GMT
Network Rail and Train companies will object all day long. The revenue v cost to build the station and other financial impacts on existing services would be untenable. It would also place pressure on schedules and rolling stock capacities. Also let’s assume we need to disperse 6,000+ Fans to adjacent stations after matches. You would potentially need 10 + trains to do this which would take ages. Stoke on Trent does not get this level of investment from anywhere. Who will fund it, assuming NR and Train Companies ever agree to it (which they won’t) ?? Complete pipe dream.
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Post by hcstokie on Sept 7, 2022 14:11:22 GMT
It’s a bit of a no brainer really. This is the type of project that the council need to be looking at to improve the infrastructure around the city. It’s not just about football crowds either. A station there could service all of the businesses on Sideway and Stanley Matthews Way. The line is there, just build a bloody station. And for everyone who says it would mess up the schedule, how do you think the existing stations got where they are. They were built and the timetable was adjusted, it’s not rocket science. The lack of ambition of foresight is a joke. I leave the ground 10 minutes early every match and I’m home by 5.30. If I didn’t get the first set of buses out of there it would be closer to 7.00, it’s ridiculous and always has been. It’s not the clubs fault but the city should wake up and try to improve instead of settling for shit all the time. And if you had a train at 5pm you’d have to leave earlier than that or wait for the 5:30 train which would get you back into Stoke even later so you’d end up catching the bus anyway I fully agree there’s many things that’s needed for the city like trams or monorail etc etc and yeah we are lagging behind But a station built at huge expense that’s in reality not needed is just mental We’re not talking about a station at huge expense though are we? We’re talking about a couple of platforms where a train can stop, a bridge and some footpaths. I’m thinking more Uttoxeter Racecourse than Kings Cross! |
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Post by werrington on Sept 7, 2022 14:11:22 GMT
Gotta love this place who never miss a trick to lay into the club or it’s owners even when a station is fuck all to do with them
If a station was built tomorrow this place would be apoplectic it only had 2 platforms or the 5:08 was cancelled or delayed
Anyway I’ll leave you all to it
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Post by scfc75 on Sept 7, 2022 14:15:48 GMT
And if you had a train at 5pm you’d have to leave earlier than that or wait for the 5:30 train which would get you back into Stoke even later so you’d end up catching the bus anyway I fully agree there’s many things that’s needed for the city like trams or monorail etc etc and yeah we are lagging behind But a station built at huge expense that’s in reality not needed is just mental We’re talking about a couple of platforms where a train can stop, a bridge and some footpaths. I’m thinking more Uttoxeter Racecourse than Kings Cross! How much would it cost? |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Sept 7, 2022 14:19:30 GMT
If the ground had been built in Etruria in the 90's instead of the flyblown hill at Trentham Lakes there would already have been a functioning railway station and branch line in place. It is 10 minutes walk from both Stoke and Hanley much more car parking space with potentially multiple access points from the A500 and A53 and has much more to offer in the way of food, drink and leisure outlets to attract football spectators to arrive early and stay late. Unfortunately Stan Clarke and his brown envelopes didn't own the site. The ground is an abomination. And it's even built the wrong way round ffs. Why the wrong way round? Sorry mate I explain about 10 posts up from yours. Don't want to do a Bayern and spam the thread about the railway with my pet hobby horse about the ground.  |
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Post by scfc75 on Sept 7, 2022 14:22:58 GMT
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Sept 7, 2022 14:36:33 GMT
And if you had a train at 5pm you’d have to leave earlier than that or wait for the 5:30 train which would get you back into Stoke even later so you’d end up catching the bus anyway I fully agree there’s many things that’s needed for the city like trams or monorail etc etc and yeah we are lagging behind But a station built at huge expense that’s in reality not needed is just mental We’re not talking about a station at huge expense though are we? We’re talking about a couple of platforms where a train can stop, a bridge and some footpaths. I’m thinking more Uttoxeter Racecourse than Kings Cross! It would be great if it were on the Utoxeter/Blythe Bridge/Stoke rattler line like the Racecourse station is because it's a two bit line with a train an hour from Stoke to Derby. Adding another stop wouldn't create much disruption. However, as far as I'm aware the line that runs at the back of the ground is the Stoke to Stafford spur off the west coat mainline. Adding several additional trains all stopping there on a Saturday afternoon would totally disrupt the entire West Coast Main Line. And for what benefit? By that I mean how much would it actually be used? Probably a better place would be up Heron Cross which IS on the Blythe Bridge line. That way you could get in from Stoke Station, Longton station, Blythe Bridge, and Uttoxeter increasing the catchment area massively and also the scope for park and ride in those outlying areas. However, as someone has said it is nothing to do with SCFC and Network Rail are unlikely to commit millions to a project that will only serve a few thousand people once a fortnight. So as with me and my gripe about the ground we might as well piss in the wind because we're not changing anything any time soon. We need to concentrate on making what we've got work better which we don't currently do. |
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Post by wrighter on Sept 7, 2022 14:37:22 GMT
So if the train was at 5:30 people would wait?….like fuck they would they’d walk back into Stoke ( 15 mins ) or catch the bus (3 mins ) It’s a waste of time and money and ITS NOTHING to do with SCFC 15 min walk back to Stoke ??? You must walk bloody fast fella |
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Post by str8outtahampton on Sept 7, 2022 14:40:13 GMT
tbh a cheaper alternative would be seeing if you could put more footpaths going to places like Heron Cross, Fenton, Trentham etc. Going to more car parks or where buses can go. What I was thinking with the walkways from the station but didn't realise was so far but do think your idea a solution in part. The railway station is simply never going to happen if previous attempts are anything to go by and to be honest can completely understand why it was a no go. Arguably in an infinite universe it will by definition happen. But probably not in the next trillion years or so. I was once told that when the London-NW-Scotland railway was being built in the 19th Century, Stoke had the chance to be the hub in the North Midlands. That was blocked by local landowners, and the prize went to Crewe. Along with the investment, industry, skills, jobs, population, etc. I have no idea whether that is true, but it is the sort of Stokie own goal that would not remotely surprise me. |
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Post by Veritas on Sept 7, 2022 14:52:38 GMT
It’s a bit of a no brainer really. This is the type of project that the council need to be looking at to improve the infrastructure around the city. It’s not just about football crowds either. A station there could service all of the businesses on Sideway and Stanley Matthews Way. The line is there, just build a bloody station. And for everyone who says it would mess up the schedule, how do you think the existing stations got where they are. They were built and the timetable was adjusted, it’s not rocket science. The lack of ambition of foresight is a joke. I leave the ground 10 minutes early every match and I’m home by 5.30. If I didn’t get the first set of buses out of there it would be closer to 7.00, it’s ridiculous and always has been. It’s not the clubs fault but the city should wake up and try to improve instead of settling for shit all the time. It would just require a platform not a full blown station. Regular services could use it when busy. Drop and go. If theres money to be made then its a winner. I was involved in the introduction of an additional platform at Stafford in the 1990's it cost nearly £1m then. Regular services can't just make additional stops when busy you would be amazed how tight the timetable is for track pathways. And how many services do you think it would take to clear people leaving the stadium. If just 5% of a capacity crowd took the option you would be looking at 1,500 passengers. It is an unworkable idea. As has been said elsewhere much better to invest in improved and additional walkways to car parks and bus stops away from the immediate vicinity of the stadium. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2022 15:00:51 GMT
What I was thinking with the walkways from the station but didn't realise was so far but do think your idea a solution in part. The railway station is simply never going to happen if previous attempts are anything to go by and to be honest can completely understand why it was a no go. Arguably in an infinite universe it will by definition happen. But probably not in the next trillion years or so. I was once told that when the London-NW-Scotland railway was being built in the 19th Century, Stoke had the chance to be the hub in the North Midlands. That was blocked by local landowners, and the prize went to Crewe. Along with the investment, industry, skills, jobs, population, etc. I have no idea whether that is true, but it is the sort of Stokie own goal that would not remotely surprise me. 19th century train planning bastards |
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Post by hcstokie on Sept 7, 2022 15:16:08 GMT
We’re not talking about a station at huge expense though are we? We’re talking about a couple of platforms where a train can stop, a bridge and some footpaths. I’m thinking more Uttoxeter Racecourse than Kings Cross! How much would it cost? I just did a quick Google search and a two platform station with bridge was built in Liverpool in 2018 for £13m and funded using the local growth fund. |
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Post by iamstokie on Sept 7, 2022 15:31:54 GMT
The council have far more important things to pay , child service , adult care to name a couple , a train station for the football 23 games a year should be nowhere near their priority which I expect it isn’t
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Sept 7, 2022 15:37:03 GMT
Cheaper and easier to move the stadium to fezzy Park and use Etruria Station.
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Post by onepara on Sept 7, 2022 15:49:12 GMT
Cheaper and easier to move the stadium to fezzy Park and use Etruria Station. That's where it was originally planned to be. A shared ground with P.V. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2022 15:54:57 GMT
Cheaper and easier to move the stadium to fezzy Park and use Etruria Station. Fezzy Park I take it is Festival Park 😁 Am not local Traffic would have been mental. Bad enough at normal times. Imagine an extra 18k people heading that way, station or not |
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Post by banksy1art on Sept 7, 2022 16:16:43 GMT
Cheaper and easier to move the stadium to fezzy Park and use Etruria Station. Fezzy Park I take it is Festival Park 😁 Am not local Traffic would have been mental. Bad enough at normal times. Imagine an extra 18k people heading that way, station or not Building one on the land off of city road, opposite the range, would be better. In the Clubs hometown of Stoke which should and I believe will be the future city centre mainly due to the transport connections including the train station. That land is less than a 10 minute walk to the Town centre and Railway Station with great connections to main roads including the D road. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2022 16:18:30 GMT
Fezzy Park I take it is Festival Park 😁 Am not local Traffic would have been mental. Bad enough at normal times. Imagine an extra 18k people heading that way, station or not Building one on the land off of city road, opposite the range, would be better. In the Clubs hometown of Stoke which should and I believe will be the future city centre mainly due to the transport connections including the train station. That land is less than a 10 minute walk to the Town centre and Railway Station with great connections to main roads including the D road. How would we have funded it? |
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Post by scfc75 on Sept 7, 2022 16:22:18 GMT
Cheaper and easier to move the stadium to fezzy Park and use Etruria Station. Fezzy Park I take it is Festival Park 😁 Am not local Traffic would have been mental. Bad enough at normal times. Imagine an extra 18k people heading that way, station or not Fezzy Park is indeed Festival Park. The young ladies who used to frequent said retail park in the 90’s looking to be picked up by young males in their vehicles were known back then as Festitutes. True story. |
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Post by banksy1art on Sept 7, 2022 16:27:56 GMT
Building one on the land off of city road, opposite the range, would be better. In the Clubs hometown of Stoke which should and I believe will be the future city centre mainly due to the transport connections including the train station. That land is less than a 10 minute walk to the Town centre and Railway Station with great connections to main roads including the D road. How would we have funded it? I mean if we were to build a new stadium, I may have misinterpreted the first posters statement. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2022 16:32:12 GMT
How would we have funded it? I mean if we were to build a new stadium, I may have misinterpreted the first posters statement. Gotcha Shame as we could build a great ground now I guess. Really isn't easy to pick a location as basically one major road in and out of the city in each direction . |
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Post by samdan on Sept 7, 2022 16:41:22 GMT
It would just require a platform not a full blown station. Regular services could use it when busy. Drop and go. If theres money to be made then its a winner. I was involved in the introduction of an additional platform at Stafford in the 1990's it cost nearly £1m then. Regular services can't just make additional stops when busy you would be amazed how tight the timetable is for track pathways. And how many services do you think it would take to clear people leaving the stadium. If just 5% of a capacity crowd took the option you would be looking at 1,500 passengers. It is an unworkable idea. As has been said elsewhere much better to invest in improved and additional walkways to car parks and bus stops away from the immediate vicinity of the stadium. Not really. £13million divided by £6k based on 1500@£4 a return ticket is only 2166 matches so it’s paid for in 94 years plus, wages, fuel and maintenance costs so say 100 years. Sounds like a good way to spend taxpayers money to me no matter what fund it comes out of. |
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Post by hcstokie on Sept 7, 2022 17:01:12 GMT
I was involved in the introduction of an additional platform at Stafford in the 1990's it cost nearly £1m then. Regular services can't just make additional stops when busy you would be amazed how tight the timetable is for track pathways. And how many services do you think it would take to clear people leaving the stadium. If just 5% of a capacity crowd took the option you would be looking at 1,500 passengers. It is an unworkable idea. As has been said elsewhere much better to invest in improved and additional walkways to car parks and bus stops away from the immediate vicinity of the stadium. Not really. £13million divided by £6k based on 1500@£4 a return ticket is only 2166 matches so it’s paid for in 94 years plus, wages, fuel and maintenance costs so say 100 years. Sounds like a good way to spend taxpayers money to me no matter what fund it comes out of. I don’t know, maybe a few people may use it every day of the week like most other stations. Maybe it would help to remove congestion and promote growth in the area, whilst at the same time having an environmental benefit. Maybe it could free up the A50 and A500. Maybe it could benefit other connected areas economically with people frequenting establishments further afield before travelling in. The idea that it would only be useful on matchdays is a bit daft IMO. It’s value shouldn’t only be assessed against how long it takes to pay for itself. Whether it’s there, elsewhere, or a different solution entirely it’s blatantly obvious that the transport infrastructure around the city and the stadium especially needs some real attention. |
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Post by uknorse on Sept 7, 2022 17:05:19 GMT
I was involved in the introduction of an additional platform at Stafford in the 1990's it cost nearly £1m then. Regular services can't just make additional stops when busy you would be amazed how tight the timetable is for track pathways. And how many services do you think it would take to clear people leaving the stadium. If just 5% of a capacity crowd took the option you would be looking at 1,500 passengers. It is an unworkable idea. As has been said elsewhere much better to invest in improved and additional walkways to car parks and bus stops away from the immediate vicinity of the stadium. Not really. £13million divided by £6k based on 1500@£4 a return ticket is only 2166 matches so it’s paid for in 94 years plus, wages, fuel and maintenance costs so say 100 years. Sounds like a good way to spend taxpayers money to me no matter what fund it comes out of. So who's paying for this " cheap" station?.... the club?... bet 365?... the coates family privately?....the tooth fairy?....to only erect a platform would cost tens of millions, a track extention would be required to exit the mainline, and rejoin.... so means months ( at best ) of engineering work, that alone costs a fortune because all other services would be subject to a speed restriction due to men working in the immediate vicinity.... that means the west coast mainline would have to change their timetables to absorb the restrictions, that costs them money. The rail regulator fines companies for timetable delays, thats without the track, signals, carriages... being owned by other companies... who would want it to be cost effective for there individual brand, if it was do-able, it was back in 1997.... I dont know what fkn planet some of you people are on....if you want to build a station for peanuts overnight, get on Minecraft... |
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Post by hardcastle on Sept 7, 2022 17:11:52 GMT
What I was thinking with the walkways from the station but didn't realise was so far but do think your idea a solution in part. The railway station is simply never going to happen if previous attempts are anything to go by and to be honest can completely understand why it was a no go. Arguably in an infinite universe it will by definition happen. But probably not in the next trillion years or so. I was once told that when the London-NW-Scotland railway was being built in the 19th Century, Stoke had the chance to be the hub in the North Midlands. That was blocked by local landowners, and the prize went to Crewe. Along with the investment, industry, skills, jobs, population, etc. I have no idea whether that is true, but it is the sort of Stokie own goal that would not remotely surprise me. Back in the 1840s Liverpool and Dublin (Holyhead) were more significant than they are today in respect of post and travel to and from London and that might explain the choice of Crewe over Stoke. |
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Post by DentySCFC on Sept 7, 2022 17:16:25 GMT
It put Ogdenville on the map. |
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Post by iamstokie on Sept 7, 2022 17:17:21 GMT
How would we have funded it? I mean if we were to build a new stadium, I may have misinterpreted the first posters statement. Why would we build a new stadium , ours is only 25 yrs old , we were in the last one over 100 years |
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Post by samdan on Sept 7, 2022 17:19:20 GMT
Not really. £13million divided by £6k based on 1500@£4 a return ticket is only 2166 matches so it’s paid for in 94 years plus, wages, fuel and maintenance costs so say 100 years. Sounds like a good way to spend taxpayers money to me no matter what fund it comes out of. So who's paying for this " cheap" station?.... the club?... bet 365?... the coates family privately?....the tooth fairy?....to only erect a platform would cost tens of millions, a track extention would be required to exit the mainline, and rejoin.... so means months ( at best ) of engineering work, that alone costs a fortune because all other services would be subject to a speed restriction due to men working in the immediate vicinity.... that means the west coast mainline would have to change their timetables to absorb the restrictions, that costs them money. The rail regulator fines companies for timetable delays, thats without the track, signals, carriages... being owned by other companies... who would want it to be cost effective for there individual brand, if it was do-able, it was back in 1997.... I dont know what fkn planet some of you people are on....if you want to build a station for peanuts overnight, get on Minecraft... I wasn’t being serious. |
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Post by maninasuitcase on Sept 7, 2022 17:39:17 GMT
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