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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2022 9:43:13 GMT
Ask Brighton fans what their train is like, it doesn't solve many issues, their queueing is horrendously bad. So bad that they leave the concourse open at the stadium for up to an hour after the game. When we played Brighton on a Monday night at the AMEX in our relegation season I got back to the car at 11:45 when the game finished at around 09:55. It was an absolute joke......... Isn't the Brighton station just Falmer Station which wasn't built for the ground anyway? Yep agree, chaos after their games. |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Sept 7, 2022 9:43:36 GMT
Great idea but would never get off the ground with regards timetables for a start & even accounting for a train stopping at platform for a minimum of 2 mins. Yes a location could easily be suited with sidings on the "up" side where Marcrofts is...but this is Marcrofts sidings not Network Rail, so not on the network as such. ...and grounds with Stations catered for their own needs very rarely work. The Old Trafford example on the Mterolink is a good one, but as mentioned the original station by the Football Ground closed years ago, same as the station built for the Baseball Ground on match days....and even the "its never used" station for the CBS Arena in Coventry, not timetabled on match day or a very irregular service Why shouldn't it get off the ground? A few years after I moved to Plymouth a new station was opened at Ivybridge a small town about 8 miles east of Plymouth on the main line to Exeter and London. Although Ivybridge station enabled a few commuters to get to Plymouth by train each weekday, the total number of passengers would be dwarfed by the numbers likely to use a new station serving our stadium and the industrial estate surrounding it. It might not get enough support to get off the ground but, with a bit of vision and forward planning, it could be a success and could certainly produce bigger profits for the rail company than the station at Ivybridge does - especially if they offered rail season tickets for match days to North Staffs and south Cheshire residents. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 7, 2022 9:46:12 GMT
When we played Brighton on a Monday night at the AMEX in our relegation season I got back to the car at 11:45 when the game finished at around 09:55. It was an absolute joke......... Isn't the Brighton station just Falmer Station which wasn't built for the ground anyway? Yep agree, chaos after their games. You queue for about a mile and it's painfully slow....... |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 7, 2022 9:47:08 GMT
Great idea but would never get off the ground with regards timetables for a start & even accounting for a train stopping at platform for a minimum of 2 mins. Yes a location could easily be suited with sidings on the "up" side where Marcrofts is...but this is Marcrofts sidings not Network Rail, so not on the network as such. ...and grounds with Stations catered for their own needs very rarely work. The Old Trafford example on the Mterolink is a good one, but as mentioned the original station by the Football Ground closed years ago, same as the station built for the Baseball Ground on match days....and even the "its never used" station for the CBS Arena in Coventry, not timetabled on match day or a very irregular service Why shouldn't it get off the ground? A few years after I moved to Plymouth a new station was opened at Ivybridge a small town about 8 miles east of Plymouth on the main line to Exeter and London. Although Ivybridge station enabled a few commuters to get to Plymouth by train each weekday, the total number of passengers would be dwarfed by the numbers likely to use a new station serving our stadium and the industrial estate surrounding it. It might not get enough support to get off the ground but, with a bit of vision and forward planning, it could be a success and could certainly produce bigger profits for the rail company than the station at Ivybridge does - especially if they offered rail season tickets for match days to North Staffs and south Cheshire residents. Where would you put the platform just out of interest? |
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Post by LGH87 on Sept 7, 2022 9:49:01 GMT
A metro system (which should've been implemented in the city decades ago) would possibly be the answer, rather than trying to build a station on the west coast mainline which would cause ridiculous amounts of disruption to an already terrible train line.
It does baffle me how a city made up of six separate towns does not have it's own travel system such as a metro.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2022 9:55:09 GMT
A metro system (which should've been implemented in the city decades ago) would possibly be the answer, rather than trying to build a station on the west coast mainline which would cause ridiculous amounts of disruption to an already terrible train line. It does baffle me how a city made up of six separate towns does not have it's own travel system such as a metro. A metro system would be astronomical, mining issues in the past and no way could be justified financially compared to other cities . Brighton are a perfect example to me of how trains on a match day don't work . |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Sept 7, 2022 9:56:47 GMT
Why shouldn't it get off the ground? A few years after I moved to Plymouth a new station was opened at Ivybridge a small town about 8 miles east of Plymouth on the main line to Exeter and London. Although Ivybridge station enabled a few commuters to get to Plymouth by train each weekday, the total number of passengers would be dwarfed by the numbers likely to use a new station serving our stadium and the industrial estate surrounding it. It might not get enough support to get off the ground but, with a bit of vision and forward planning, it could be a success and could certainly produce bigger profits for the rail company than the station at Ivybridge does - especially if they offered rail season tickets for match days to North Staffs and south Cheshire residents. Where would you put the platform just out of interest? Alongside the main line and hopefully near the existing footbridge to save the need to build another one. |
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Post by stokiepmre89 (Tom) on Sept 7, 2022 10:01:27 GMT
Question - would it be cheaper to build a new ground in a better place or fix the traffic problems? I’m not sure but it’s interesting to daydream about a new ground isn’t it. |
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 7, 2022 10:02:25 GMT
Great idea but would never get off the ground with regards timetables for a start & even accounting for a train stopping at platform for a minimum of 2 mins. Yes a location could easily be suited with sidings on the "up" side where Marcrofts is...but this is Marcrofts sidings not Network Rail, so not on the network as such. ...and grounds with Stations catered for their own needs very rarely work. The Old Trafford example on the Mterolink is a good one, but as mentioned the original station by the Football Ground closed years ago, same as the station built for the Baseball Ground on match days....and even the "its never used" station for the CBS Arena in Coventry, not timetabled on match day or a very irregular service Why shouldn't it get off the ground? A few years after I moved to Plymouth a new station was opened at Ivybridge a small town about 8 miles east of Plymouth on the main line to Exeter and London. Although Ivybridge station enabled a few commuters to get to Plymouth by train each weekday, the total number of passengers would be dwarfed by the numbers likely to use a new station serving our stadium and the industrial estate surrounding it. It might not get enough support to get off the ground but, with a bit of vision and forward planning, it could be a success and could certainly produce bigger profits for the rail company than the station at Ivybridge does - especially if they offered rail season tickets for match days to North Staffs and south Cheshire residents. The main line exeter to london is what 2 or 3 trains an hour ? Pre covid there was 3 or 4 trains each an hour manchester to london, liverpool to london (think they go along same line), 2 or 3 birmingham trains an hour, derby trains etc etc. Once there is a slow train I think its Stone before it can be passed at a station so they wouldnt add more congestion to a crowded route for such little use. |
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Sept 7, 2022 10:02:35 GMT
Great idea but would never get off the ground with regards timetables for a start & even accounting for a train stopping at platform for a minimum of 2 mins. Yes a location could easily be suited with sidings on the "up" side where Marcrofts is...but this is Marcrofts sidings not Network Rail, so not on the network as such. ...and grounds with Stations catered for their own needs very rarely work. The Old Trafford example on the Mterolink is a good one, but as mentioned the original station by the Football Ground closed years ago, same as the station built for the Baseball Ground on match days....and even the "its never used" station for the CBS Arena in Coventry, not timetabled on match day or a very irregular service Why shouldn't it get off the ground? A few years after I moved to Plymouth a new station was opened at Ivybridge a small town about 8 miles east of Plymouth on the main line to Exeter and London. Although Ivybridge station enabled a few commuters to get to Plymouth by train each weekday, the total number of passengers would be dwarfed by the numbers likely to use a new station serving our stadium and the industrial estate surrounding it. It might not get enough support to get off the ground but, with a bit of vision and forward planning, it could be a success and could certainly produce bigger profits for the rail company than the station at Ivybridge does - especially if they offered rail season tickets for match days to North Staffs and south Cheshire residents. If they can reopen Meir Station then why not? ....but then again, if only with the benefit of beautiful hindsight the axe had not fallen on the Potteries Loop line over half a century ago then the Potteries would have a integral rail system that would actually work |
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Post by banksy1art on Sept 7, 2022 10:07:45 GMT
Question - would it be cheaper to build a new ground in a better place or fix the traffic problems? I’m not sure but it’s interesting to daydream about a new ground isn’t it. that huge piece of land off of city road opposite the range would be perfect. Under 10 mins walk from the station and town centre with quick access onto the D road and the road that links Fenton and Longton. Obviously it would need a lot of work to dig it up and backfill it with safe material as it used to be a pit, but Everton’s new 50,000 capacity state of the art stadium is only going to cost them 500 Million and they had to drain the whole dock and fill it with Tons of material. |
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Post by hoppo96 on Sept 7, 2022 10:18:51 GMT
problem I guess is one Saturday afternoon it can be the busiest place in Staffordshire, the next it's deserted save for the odd cyclist. There is nothing else there that attracts a big number of people.
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Post by lordb on Sept 7, 2022 10:20:02 GMT
Could build it quite easily Organising the trains without disrupting the line was deemed beyond the Ken or will of the train companies when it was looked into back in the 90s The obvious answer is a genuine integrated transport system which includes trams or a light urban railway well organised park and rides plus heavy subsidies from central government However as we live in the UK and not in a sensible country absolutely none of this will ever happen It couldn't be easily built, would cost an absolute fortune and would be a nightmare to timetable. Just think about the impact of TV moving the schedule. Happy to accept what say Whole idea is a non starter |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2022 10:20:51 GMT
In an ideal world it would be a fantastic idea.
I drink in Stoke and get the bus up for home games, but if the train was an option I'd have that as my first option any day of the week.
Unfortunately, it involves too much common sense, which is why it will never happen.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2022 10:22:39 GMT
problem I guess is one Saturday afternoon it can be the busiest place in Staffordshire, the next it's deserted save for the odd cyclist. There is nothing else there that attracts a big number of people. That was an issue with the original proposal also. For every other Saturday during the season it didn't justify it in any way. |
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Post by maninasuitcase on Sept 7, 2022 10:26:22 GMT
If only we had a ground in stoke town centre, near the main station where we could use local services from longton, Kidsgrove, etc, plenty of car parking around, on the main bus routes from all corners of the city, ......🤔🤔🤔
Ah my favourite daydream 💭💭
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Post by LGH87 on Sept 7, 2022 10:48:57 GMT
A metro system (which should've been implemented in the city decades ago) would possibly be the answer, rather than trying to build a station on the west coast mainline which would cause ridiculous amounts of disruption to an already terrible train line. It does baffle me how a city made up of six separate towns does not have it's own travel system such as a metro. A metro system would be astronomical, mining issues in the past and no way could be justified financially compared to other cities . Brighton are a perfect example to me of how trains on a match day don't work . Agree on everything you say there, the metro would've had to have happened decades ago. Other cities have managed it in the not too distant past though but I don't think for one second we'd ever pull it off. |
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Post by lowlands on Sept 7, 2022 10:57:33 GMT
Or how about this, just leave home earlier.
I lived in Cambridge, car journey 3 hours to Stoke, ok might be traffic issues make it 4 hours, want something to eat make it 5 add another hour walking to the ground from The White Star.
Yep so we left home at 9 got to stoke by 1 had lunch got to the ground at 2.30 for 3pm kick off, fuck me rocket science
Not the clubs issue on how I get to the ground.
Night games used to say to the boss can I leave work at 12 and I would repeat the procedure, all this is my problem on getting to the ground on time and it is all about planning a very simple journey (as it was then) from Cambridge to Stoke
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Post by dutchstokie on Sept 7, 2022 11:00:04 GMT
Serious question…. How many people bike to the game?
Over here there’s thousands and thousands that do it attending various matches all over the country
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2022 11:06:53 GMT
A metro system would be astronomical, mining issues in the past and no way could be justified financially compared to other cities . Brighton are a perfect example to me of how trains on a match day don't work . Agree on everything you say there, the metro would've had to have happened decades ago. Other cities have managed it in the not too distant past though but I don't think for one second we'd ever pull it off. A bigger city maybe but not Stoke. Is the walk from Stoke station particularly far? Wouldn't even know which way to go to be honest. Maybe an easier walkway could help. |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Sept 7, 2022 11:07:42 GMT
If the ground had been built in Etruria in the 90's instead of the flyblown hill at Trentham Lakes there would already have been a functioning railway station and branch line in place. It is 10 minutes walk from both Stoke and Hanley much more car parking space with potentially multiple access points from the A500 and A53 and has much more to offer in the way of food, drink and leisure outlets to attract football spectators to arrive early and stay late. Unfortunately Stan Clarke and his brown envelopes didn't own the site.
The ground is an abomination.
And it's even built the wrong way round ffs.
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Post by J-Roar on Sept 7, 2022 11:10:18 GMT
Or how about this, just leave home earlier. I lived in Cambridge, car journey 3 hours to Stoke, ok might be traffic issues make it 4 hours, want something to eat make it 5 add another hour walking to the ground from The White Star. Yep so we left home at 9 got to stoke by 1 had lunch got to the ground at 2.30 for 3pm kick off, fuck me rocket science Not the clubs issue on how I get to the ground. Night games used to say to the boss can I leave work at 12 and I would repeat the procedure, all this is my problem on getting to the ground on time and it is all about planning a very simple journey (as it was then) from Cambridge to Stoke We're trying to get people into the habit of going to the match. The way to attract them can't be telling them to waste another hour of their leisure time travelling earlier. And it really is the club's responsibility to work on this. They are trying to attract paying customers so anything they can do to improve their experience is helping to achieve that. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2022 11:10:53 GMT
If the ground had been built in Etruria in the 90's instead of the flyblown hill at Trentham Lakes there would already have been a functioning railway station and branch line in place. It is 10 minutes walk from both Stoke and Hanley much more car parking space with potentially multiple access points from the A500 and A53 and has much more to offer in the way of food, drink and leisure outlets to attract football spectators to arrive early and stay late. Unfortunately Stan Clarke and his brown envelopes didn't own the site. The ground is an abomination. And it's even built the wrong way round ffs. Which played a huge part in us being able to finance the ground on such a small budget. It wouldn't have happened without the land , basically. It isn't an abomination at all |
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Post by werrington on Sept 7, 2022 11:11:58 GMT
If the ground had been built in Etruria in the 90's instead of the flyblown hill at Trentham Lakes there would already have been a functioning railway station and branch line in place. It is 10 minutes walk from both Stoke and Hanley much more car parking space with potentially multiple access points from the A500 and A53 and has much more to offer in the way of food, drink and leisure outlets to attract football spectators to arrive early and stay late. Unfortunately Stan Clarke and his brown envelopes didn't own the site. The ground is an abomination. And it's even built the wrong way round ffs. We’ve been here before mate and seriously not again I couldn’t handle it 😊 The funding for a new stadium came from the EU and it was only to be used on reclaimed land and nowhere else The stadium is on the site of reclaimed British Coal land |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2022 11:14:52 GMT
If the ground had been built in Etruria in the 90's instead of the flyblown hill at Trentham Lakes there would already have been a functioning railway station and branch line in place. It is 10 minutes walk from both Stoke and Hanley much more car parking space with potentially multiple access points from the A500 and A53 and has much more to offer in the way of food, drink and leisure outlets to attract football spectators to arrive early and stay late. Unfortunately Stan Clarke and his brown envelopes didn't own the site. The ground is an abomination. And it's even built the wrong way round ffs. We’ve been here before mate and seriously not again I couldn’t handle it 😊 The funding for a new stadium came from the EU and it was only to be used on reclaimed land and nowhere else The stadium is on the site of reclaimed British Coal land Some seem unable to grasp this...brown envelopes etc. Nonsense. |
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Post by desman2 on Sept 7, 2022 11:18:07 GMT
A metro system (which should've been implemented in the city decades ago) would possibly be the answer, rather than trying to build a station on the west coast mainline which would cause ridiculous amounts of disruption to an already terrible train line. It does baffle me how a city made up of six separate towns does not have it's own travel system such as a metro. It did till the govt of the day decided to close down almost all local rail services. You could basically go anywhere in the city. There was a station at fenton and Trentham which would have been perfect yesterday |
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Post by LGH87 on Sept 7, 2022 11:24:14 GMT
Agree on everything you say there, the metro would've had to have happened decades ago. Other cities have managed it in the not too distant past though but I don't think for one second we'd ever pull it off. A bigger city maybe but not Stoke. Is the walk from Stoke station particularly far? Wouldn't even know which way to go to be honest. Maybe an easier walkway could help. It's far enough yeah, I think straight down the canal is the most direct and quickest route but even that is a bit of a walk tbh. |
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 7, 2022 11:34:14 GMT
The lack of vision from some of our supporters matches the city. Even if it cost tens of millions, over time it would help to boost the town centre bringing significantly more footfall to stoke boosting local businesses. It also takes cars and traffic off the road which is an aim for the future. It should be funded by the council. So gone up from the £50-100K then? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2022 11:50:32 GMT
A bigger city maybe but not Stoke. Is the walk from Stoke station particularly far? Wouldn't even know which way to go to be honest. Maybe an easier walkway could help. It's far enough yeah, I think straight down the canal is the most direct and quickest route but even that is a bit of a walk tbh. Yep just had a Google map thing. A lot further than I thought. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 7, 2022 11:54:12 GMT
A bigger city maybe but not Stoke. Is the walk from Stoke station particularly far? Wouldn't even know which way to go to be honest. Maybe an easier walkway could help. It's far enough yeah, I think straight down the canal is the most direct and quickest route but even that is a bit of a walk tbh. It's a nice little walk providing we've not had a load of rain and the path is ok but it wouldn't be suitable for everyone....... |
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