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Post by Davef on Jan 6, 2024 19:33:32 GMT
I'd like to see some evidence that he's actually any good. Well you'll have to watch the games over the next few weeks/months won't you?
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Post by dave1 on Jan 6, 2024 19:33:37 GMT
I don't think he should just automatically take Bonham's place, I hope not anyway. Spot on. Bonham has been quality the last couple of games.
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Post by Absolution on Jan 6, 2024 19:40:29 GMT
I don't think he should just automatically take Bonham's place, I hope not anyway. The problem with this is, we all know that he's been brought in as the number one. So while I kind of get that Bonham's performances don't warrant him being dropped, we know that ultimately, being dropped is where he's going to end up. So to keep Bonham in goals now means we're effectively needing him to drop a bollock in order to play the keeper the manager wants. A manager needs to be stronger than that and just go for it. Harsh but true, in my opinion anyway. I thought he did OK today. I felt more confident with him there.
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Post by walrus on Jan 6, 2024 19:41:49 GMT
A lot of people are correctly saying his kicking was poor but I’d like to know why on earth did our defenders keep passing it back to his left foot? They must have done it seven or eight times in the match. He clearly isn’t comfortable kicking with it, yet time and time again under little to no pressure they played it back to his left side. Stupid. He probably ended up kicking more with his left than his right.
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Post by fplstokegeneral on Jan 6, 2024 19:44:15 GMT
Interesting why Iverson hasn’t made any matchday squads this season, even Danny Ward favoured ahead of him who’s beyond bad.
Bonham better….discuss.
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Post by maine on Jan 6, 2024 19:44:57 GMT
I'm suspecting that he's a 'confidence' keeper. He looked good for Preston, but when he played in the PL for Leicester looked very shaky. I doubt being low down their pecking order has helped him much. I don't think Bonham would have conceded more than he did today, and possibly fewer.
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Post by nottinghamstokie on Jan 6, 2024 19:49:08 GMT
A lot of people are correctly saying his kicking was poor but I’d like to know why on earth did our defenders keep passing it back to his left foot? They must have done it seven or eight times in the match. He clearly isn’t comfortable kicking with it, yet time and time again under little to no pressure they played it back to his left side. Stupid. He probably ended up kicking more with his left than his right. They only met him yesterday and surely if he didn't like it on his left foot he should have told them ?
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Post by walrus on Jan 6, 2024 19:51:33 GMT
A lot of people are correctly saying his kicking was poor but I’d like to know why on earth did our defenders keep passing it back to his left foot? They must have done it seven or eight times in the match. He clearly isn’t comfortable kicking with it, yet time and time again under little to no pressure they played it back to his left side. Stupid. He probably ended up kicking more with his left than his right. They only met him yesterday and surely if he didn't like it on his left foot he should have told them ? Not an excuse. They know he’s right footed and anyone could see he was struggling on his left foot.
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Post by baconburger on Jan 6, 2024 19:54:29 GMT
I'm suspecting that he's a 'confidence' keeper. He looked good for Preston, but when he played in the PL for Leicester looked very shaky. I doubt being low down their pecking order has helped him much. I don't think Bonham would have conceded more than he did today, and possibly fewer. I didn’t really expect us to win today whoever we picked and as such thought it was a good idea to get a game under his belt after being out of the picture for so long. Don’t think he made any glaring costly errors. I don’t imagine he’s been signed to play second fiddle to Bonham so the sooner he’s up to speed the better.
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Post by nottsover60 on Jan 6, 2024 19:55:50 GMT
I am surprised at some of the harsh comments on here. He signed at about midday yesterday. I saw him in a gk training clip but I suspect today is the first time he's seen some of our players play and vice versa. Next week, if he plays, is when we should start to judge him. I just liked the fact that his first choice is to catch crosses rather than punching them to the edge of the box.
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Post by smallthorner on Jan 6, 2024 19:55:54 GMT
Interesting why Iverson hasn’t made any matchday squads this season, even Danny Ward favoured ahead of him who’s beyond bad. Bonham better….discuss. Don't think that is such a controversial statement actually.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 6, 2024 19:56:28 GMT
A lot of people are correctly saying his kicking was poor but I’d like to know why on earth did our defenders keep passing it back to his left foot? They must have done it seven or eight times in the match. He clearly isn’t comfortable kicking with it, yet time and time again under little to no pressure they played it back to his left side. Stupid. He probably ended up kicking more with his left than his right. They only met him yesterday and surely if he didn't like it on his left foot he should have told them ? I know footballers are stereotypically thick but having seen him spoon it once with his left they might have spotted it for themselves. I didn't meet him yesterday and it was obvious to me from about the 5th minute.
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Post by blackpoolred on Jan 6, 2024 19:59:45 GMT
Gonna take him a while to get up-to-speed, is that what we really need in that position at the moment.
Probably at fault for their 3rd, gets a good hand on it but does not change the direction of the ball - on what was not a powerful header.
Has to stay on his feet for the 4th and make his body bigger - he seemed to dive out the way leaving the whole goal open - reminded me a bit of Jack Butland post his injury.
May get better game on game, but as stated we should not be taking a risk like that at this moment in time - big worry for me on that performance - seems way off the pace
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jan 6, 2024 20:01:40 GMT
I am surprised at some of the harsh comments on here. He signed at about midday yesterday. I saw him in a gk training clip but I suspect today is the first time he's seen some of our players play and vice versa. Next week, if he plays, is when we should start to judge him. I just liked the fact that his first choice is to catch crosses rather than punching them to the edge of the box. I'm surprised he played. He's only been in a matchday squad once this season (as an unused sub) and he only arrived yesterday - so not exactly 'settled in'. Can't imagine conceding four goals in your first game of the season is a massive confidence boost.
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Post by liathroid on Jan 6, 2024 20:04:36 GMT
They only met him yesterday and surely if he didn't like it on his left foot he should have told them ? Not an excuse. They know he’s right footed and anyone could see he was struggling on his left foot. he trains every day , he should learn how to kick with his left foot
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Post by tejstokie on Jan 6, 2024 20:06:45 GMT
Gonna take him a while to get up-to-speed, is that what we really need in that position at the moment. Probably at fault for their 3rd, gets a good hand on it but does not change the direction of the ball - on what was not a powerful header. Has to stay on his feet for the 4th and make his body bigger - he seemed to dive out the way leaving the whole goal open - reminded me a bit of Jack Butland post his injury. May get better game on game, but as stated we should not be taking a risk like that at this moment in time - big worry for me on that performance - seems way off the pace Sensible post. This is my take. Good signing but definitely a risk. Hope him well, but worrying start. Can see why people like him, very commanding when in the air.
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Post by tejstokie on Jan 6, 2024 20:10:52 GMT
Interesting why Iverson hasn’t made any matchday squads this season, even Danny Ward favoured ahead of him who’s beyond bad. Bonham better….discuss. Don't think that is such a controversial statement actually. I don't think so either. Bonham is better currently but Iversen 'should' compete and best him as he has more potential and expectation overall but we've seen Bonham best others and win the spot before. It's good to have him here just a rusty start. He's off the pace but should get better.
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Post by walrus on Jan 6, 2024 20:19:02 GMT
Not an excuse. They know he’s right footed and anyone could see he was struggling on his left foot. he trains every day , he should learn how to kick with his left foot Yeah, ideally he’d be better at it. But at the same time our defenders should have the sense to not needlessly pass to his weak foot. It’s no different to hitting a forward pass five yards behind the intended target, just basics.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 6, 2024 20:20:18 GMT
It’s only fair to analyse the game to the nth degree as is the case with Bonham.
3 or 4 poor kicks, couple of moments where he looked a little flat footed and one moment where he was hesitant coming out for a ball into the box.
6/10.
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Post by robwahlmann on Jan 6, 2024 20:25:24 GMT
Iversen seemed very one footed, but still our defenders kept playing balls to his left foot! Didn't they know or understand what was his weak foot!?
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jan 6, 2024 20:27:25 GMT
Don’t think Bonham does any better or worse if he plays that same game. A perfectly OK debut without being fantastic. Some of his kicking when he wasn’t under pressure was fine, especially out of his hands.
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Post by numpty40 on Jan 6, 2024 20:32:16 GMT
I prefer keepers to be shot stoppers rather than footballers, but Jesus, he's woeful with the ball at his feet.
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Post by thornestein on Jan 6, 2024 20:34:54 GMT
I don't think he should just automatically take Bonham's place, I hope not anyway. Spot on. Bonham has been quality the last couple of games. you can’t judge a player on a couple of games , overall he’s been a mistake waiting to happen
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Post by Rose City Potter on Jan 6, 2024 20:35:01 GMT
I don't think he should just automatically take Bonham's place, I hope not anyway. I think that he is capable of being the number one and really needs games. Hopefully the competition will push them both to be better.
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Post by nigerianstokie on Jan 6, 2024 20:37:56 GMT
Interesting why Iverson hasn’t made any matchday squads this season, even Danny Ward favoured ahead of him who’s beyond bad. Bonham better….discuss. He’s nowhere close. Bonham is lucky to have a Championship contract,
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Jan 6, 2024 20:39:13 GMT
Conceded 4. Needs game time And you think he was responsible for all four goals? Against a top class Premier League team who've put four past Spurs recently and three past Man Utd and Newcastle? Nope not at all. However he did concede 4 today.
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Post by thornestein on Jan 6, 2024 20:43:28 GMT
And you think he was responsible for all four goals? Against a top class Premier League team who've put four past Spurs recently and three past Man Utd and Newcastle? Nope not at all. However he did concede 4 today. were any his fault ? , do you think another keeper might have saved any ?
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Post by theonlooker on Jan 6, 2024 21:12:57 GMT
It would be interesting to know just how rusty he is, because on first glance there isn't a real considerable upgrade on Bonham.
At a guess I'd say he's quite rusty and will improve with games.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 6, 2024 21:31:44 GMT
Nope not at all. However he did concede 4 today. were any his fault ? , do you think another keeper might have saved any ? I don’t think so, although I thought he looked a bit leaden footed for their first goal…..
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Post by smallthorner on Jan 6, 2024 23:02:03 GMT
It's the FA Cup against a PL team. Not going to get any of this shade my opinion on Iverson or Schu. This competition has cost us in injuries and each year my only hope is that we don't lose a key player during it. But that's my bias, I don't prioritize the FA Cup like some do. Don't get me wrong, yes it'd be magical to make Wembley, give our longsuffering fans a special day out etc. I'd love that. But league matches earn our survival and are what pays the bills. It was a coin-toss decision, but I'd have considered giving Iversen the "VIP" treatment today and started Bonham one more time. At the same time reassuring Iversen "Get ready son - next league match!" Hope I'm right about this, but I doubt this match "shook" any of Iversen's confidence. As a manager, I'd make damned sure it didn't. We move on. Yeh.. Think I would have started Bonham today. Just for the sake of saying "thanks Jack" you've been OK in the last few games and we trust you.
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