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Post by Laughing Gravy on Aug 29, 2022 12:35:32 GMT
Its just misinformation as well, Stoke have acted properly here and gone through the right channels, unlike Chelsea who don't even tell their assistant managers when they have been sacked and expect the sacked managers to do their dirty work. (see Lampard's account of his sacking) I don't see the fuss about Coates having that conversation with Holden on the side of the pitch a) we don't know the contents of this conversation b) its still private, no-one is standing near to them c) Holden praised the club after being dismissed. d) perhaps Holden wanted to have that conversation away from the other players and staff there and then? who knows? I'm sure if Holden had not wanted that conversation there he would said so But we do know what happened pitchside through Rory, he was told he wouldn’t be returning on the coach back to Stoke, then JC gifted Dean the training gear that he was wearing as a mark of the respect for his Stirling efforts during this difficult period in the clubs recent history. We know because we were told it twice.
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Post by gawa on Aug 29, 2022 21:02:33 GMT
Would suggest he didn't know he was getting sacked before the game? Or just tongue in cheek comment and I'm overthinking?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 29, 2022 21:09:40 GMT
Would suggest he didn't know he was getting sacked before the game? Or just tongue in cheek comment and I'm overthinking? Definitely suggests that. And tbh I don’t get why the journos would make it up. Seems a strange thing to do.
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Post by gawa on Aug 29, 2022 21:15:54 GMT
Would suggest he didn't know he was getting sacked before the game? Or just tongue in cheek comment and I'm overthinking? Definitely suggests that. And tbh I don’t get why the journos would make it up. Seems a strange thing to do. Exactly. Considering she goes live on TV at 7, and probably in the studio from before then. Surely if he knew he was sacked befoee the game he'd have let her know then rather than waiting before she goes live on air.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 29, 2022 21:18:13 GMT
Definitely suggests that. And tbh I don’t get why the journos would make it up. Seems a strange thing to do. Exactly. Considering she goes live on TV at 7, and probably in the studio from before then. Surely if he knew he was sacked befoee the game he'd have let her know then rather than waiting before she goes live on air. Yup. I’ve been told he was sacked by the pitch too. Tbh I don’t get why anyone is arsed by it. It’s ruthless but then I’ve wanted them to be like so I can’t complain.
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Post by scfc75 on Aug 29, 2022 21:20:51 GMT
Isn’t it a bit dumb (if true) to tell her this moments before she goes on air? I mean, he could have waited an hour or so?
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Post by gawa on Aug 29, 2022 21:22:11 GMT
Exactly. Considering she goes live on TV at 7, and probably in the studio from before then. Surely if he knew he was sacked befoee the game he'd have let her know then rather than waiting before she goes live on air. Yup. I’ve been told he was sacked by the pitch too. Tbh I don’t get why anyone is arsed by it. It’s ruthless but then I’ve wanted them to be like so I can’t complain. Just shows a lack of class. Especially considering Alex Neil was in attendance watching the game. It was all pre meditated so why not show some courtesy and let him know beforehand.
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Post by gawa on Aug 29, 2022 21:23:22 GMT
Isn’t it a bit dumb (if true) to tell her this moments before she goes on air? I mean, he could have waited an hour or so? I'm not sure what the show is about but I'd assume a talk show given its called talktv. So maybe to prepare her incase it gets brought up? Maybe they take call ins?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 29, 2022 21:25:48 GMT
Yup. I’ve been told he was sacked by the pitch too. Tbh I don’t get why anyone is arsed by it. It’s ruthless but then I’ve wanted them to be like so I can’t complain. Just shows a lack of class. Especially considering Alex Neil was in attendance watching the game. It was all pre meditated so why not show some courtesy and let him know beforehand. May demotivate him? It worked. We won. He will get a payoff. And he goes with everyone’s good wishes.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2022 21:26:16 GMT
Yup. I’ve been told he was sacked by the pitch too. Tbh I don’t get why anyone is arsed by it. It’s ruthless but then I’ve wanted them to be like so I can’t complain. Just shows a lack of class. Especially considering Alex Neil was in attendance watching the game. It was all pre meditated so why not show some courtesy and let him know beforehand. It really doesn’t, move on.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Aug 29, 2022 21:28:29 GMT
Exactly. Considering she goes live on TV at 7, and probably in the studio from before then. Surely if he knew he was sacked befoee the game he'd have let her know then rather than waiting before she goes live on air. Yup. I’ve been told he was sacked by the pitch too. Tbh I don’t get why anyone is arsed by it. It’s ruthless but then I’ve wanted them to be like so I can’t complain. To be honest, where he was told is irrelevant it's how he was told that matters. And he couldn't have been too traumatised by it as he put out quite an effusive farewell tweet or comment not long after saying what a great club we are. In addition he must have had an inkling that the game was up before the match kicked off. It's pretty standard for a new manager to bring in his own staff and with the new manager in the stands you'd have to be as thick as a whale's foreskin not to be expecting it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2022 21:41:55 GMT
We really are disliked as a club. The amount of disrespect and belittling our club widely receives is actually quite mental. You have to be a realist and try to be thick skinned, but when a club is a huge part of your life yet you’re viewed in the wider world as worthless and repulsive, it does get to you. It’d be like loving your baby beyond measure but then receiving a barrage of social media messages telling you it’s ugly and horrid.
I sense some bitterness over the fact we’re owned by rich people too (as if that’s helped us recently…) and an undercurrent that we’re a shit club unworthy of such fortune.
Oh well, fuck em. Fuck them all. I just hope we really sort ourselves out in the coming months/years and are become despised even more and then stink out the premiership again, and the avalanche of disrespect and derision we’ve suffered across social media this weekend becomes a permanent fixture once more. FUCK THEM ALL.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 29, 2022 21:43:36 GMT
Yup. I’ve been told he was sacked by the pitch too. Tbh I don’t get why anyone is arsed by it. It’s ruthless but then I’ve wanted them to be like so I can’t complain. To be honest, where he was told is irrelevant it's how he was told that matters. And he couldn't have been too traumatised by it as he put out quite an effusive farewell tweet or comment not long after saying what a great club we are. In addition he must have had an inkling that the game was up before the match kicked off. It's pretty standard for a new manager to bring in his own staff and with the new manager in the stands you'd have to be as thick as a whale's foreskin not to be expecting it. I agree. I think reaction all round has been a bit strange tbh.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Aug 29, 2022 21:53:52 GMT
To be honest, where he was told is irrelevant it's how he was told that matters. And he couldn't have been too traumatised by it as he put out quite an effusive farewell tweet or comment not long after saying what a great club we are. In addition he must have had an inkling that the game was up before the match kicked off. It's pretty standard for a new manager to bring in his own staff and with the new manager in the stands you'd have to be as thick as a whale's foreskin not to be expecting it. I agree. I think reaction all round has been a bit strange tbh. And another thing that's occurred to me is that her show starts at 7pm (I think) The game finished at 4.55pm. If he was told in such a classless way by the side of the pitch immediately after the game why did he wait 2 hours to tell his missus? I smell bullshit.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 29, 2022 21:56:56 GMT
I agree. I think reaction all round has been a bit strange tbh. And another thing that's occurred to me is that her show starts at 7pm (I think) The game finished at 4.55pm. If he was told in such a classless way by the side of the pitch immediately after the game why did he wait 2 hours to tell his missus? I smell bullshit. Maybe it is but I don’t get why the journos would make it up. It doesn’t make any sense why they would. It’s not something you’d make up. And again why it bothers anyone is beyond me.
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Post by marylandstoke on Aug 29, 2022 22:00:30 GMT
Isn’t it a bit dumb (if true) to tell her this moments before she goes on air? I mean, he could have waited an hour or so? That
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Post by march4 on Aug 29, 2022 22:01:53 GMT
I fear folk are over thinking this.
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Post by shakermaker on Aug 29, 2022 22:02:04 GMT
Its just misinformation as well, Stoke have acted properly here and gone through the right channels, unlike Chelsea who don't even tell their assistant managers when they have been sacked and expect the sacked managers to do their dirty work. (see Lampard's account of his sacking) I don't see the fuss about Coates having that conversation with Holden on the side of the pitch a) we don't know the contents of this conversation b) its still private, no-one is standing near to them c) Holden praised the club after being dismissed. d) perhaps Holden wanted to have that conversation away from the other players and staff there and then? who knows? I'm sure if Holden had not wanted that conversation there he would said so But we do know what happened pitchside through Rory, he was told he wouldn’t be returning on the coach back to Stoke, then JC gifted Dean the training gear that he was wearing as a mark of the respect for his Stirling efforts during this difficult period in the clubs recent history. I do think it would have been more courteous for JC to at least allow Dean to travel back on the coach, meet him at the stadium and then deliver the news then. What harm would it have been? Neither he or the players would have known so it wouldn’t have had a destabilising effect. And letting him keep his kit as a goodbye gesture just comes across as a tight-fisted “thank you and fuck off”.
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Post by marylandstoke on Aug 29, 2022 22:02:45 GMT
Yup. I’ve been told he was sacked by the pitch too. Tbh I don’t get why anyone is arsed by it. It’s ruthless but then I’ve wanted them to be like so I can’t complain. Just shows a lack of class. Especially considering Alex Neil was in attendance watching the game. It was all pre meditated so why not show some courtesy and let him know beforehand. Nah
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Post by marylandstoke on Aug 29, 2022 22:05:10 GMT
How did he get home if he wasn’t allowed on the coach.
Has anyone checked on his welfare and if he got home yet?
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Post by Gods on Aug 29, 2022 22:09:30 GMT
How did he get home if he wasn’t allowed on the coach. Has anyone checked on his welfare and if he got home yet? I expect he hitch-hiked home, he should be fine, he looks a bit dodgy but I am sure someone will have picked him up.
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Post by spitthedog on Aug 29, 2022 22:11:55 GMT
And another thing that's occurred to me is that her show starts at 7pm (I think) The game finished at 4.55pm. If he was told in such a classless way by the side of the pitch immediately after the game why did he wait 2 hours to tell his missus? I smell bullshit. Maybe it is but I don’t get why the journos would make it up. It doesn’t make any sense why they would. It’s not something you’d make up. And again why it bothers anyone is beyond me. It's all quite ridiculous really and a non-story. He would have to be completely dumb not to know that it was his last game and let's give him some credit at least, because he's really not that dumb. He would have known the score. He would have been handsomely rewarded to be in charge of that game on Saturday and he also would do it because that's what professionals do. It was just confirmation, and unlike with some clubs, has been done face to face and directly. Why is that classless? Classless is texting someone that they have been sacked or getting the sacked manager to tell the assistant which also happens at the top level of football.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Aug 29, 2022 22:12:24 GMT
How did he get home if he wasn’t allowed on the coach. Has anyone checked on his welfare and if he got home yet? Perhaps that's why he phoned his missus to come and fetch him. But she told him to bugger off she was on air and then had to make up the story he'd just been sacked to cover for leaving her phone on when she was at work. Could have happened. As plausible as all the other bollocks theories. PS I'm fairly certain onefatcopper made up that entire story about the team bus, steak and kidney pie and the tracksuit for a giggle
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Post by Olgrligm on Aug 29, 2022 22:58:50 GMT
I think it's a bit misleading to say he was sacked pitchside. It makes it sound like it was done on the stroke of the final whistle. Look at the picture: That's pretty clearly well after the end of the game, probably during the warm downs. Otherwise the stands wouldn't be totally empty and the photographer wouldn't be packing up. Which raises the question, 'so what?'. When should it have been done instead? We know nothing that was said beyond there being a photo of Holden and Coates in conversation, with Coates man enough to deliver the news face to face. The only thing one can infer from the image is that Coates appears to have an issue with hyperextended knees. Everything else is supposition and calumny. As for the other stuff about him not travelling back with the players, says who? I'm quite confident that that is piffle.
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Post by onefatcopper on Aug 30, 2022 10:20:09 GMT
But we do know what happened pitchside through Rory, he was told he wouldn’t be returning on the coach back to Stoke, then JC gifted Dean the training gear that he was wearing as a mark of the respect for his Stirling efforts during this difficult period in the clubs recent history. I do think it would have been more courteous for JC to at least allow Dean to travel back on the coach, meet him at the stadium and then deliver the news then. What harm would it have been? Neither he or the players would have known so it wouldn’t have had a destabilising effect. And letting him keep his kit as a goodbye gesture just comes across as a tight-fisted “thank you and fuck off”. Whooooosh !🤫
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Post by franklin on Aug 30, 2022 10:25:40 GMT
I'd be OK about being sacked pitchside and I'm sure his bank account will be bulging as a result.
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Post by shakermaker on Aug 30, 2022 10:33:28 GMT
Would suggest he didn't know he was getting sacked before the game? Or just tongue in cheek comment and I'm overthinking? Definitely suggests that. And tbh I don’t get why the journos would make it up. Seems a strange thing to do. To be fair, getting sacked then coming home and burying my face in those wabs would cheer me up no end!
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Post by iglugluk on Aug 30, 2022 11:22:40 GMT
Definitely suggests that. And tbh I don’t get why the journos would make it up. Seems a strange thing to do. To be fair, getting sacked then coming home and burying my face in those wabs would cheer me up no end!
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Post by wakeypotter on Aug 31, 2022 8:25:22 GMT
Maybe it is but I don’t get why the journos would make it up. It doesn’t make any sense why they would. It’s not something you’d make up. And again why it bothers anyone is beyond me. It's all quite ridiculous really and a non-story. He would have to be completely dumb not to know that it was his last game and let's give him some credit at least, because he's really not that dumb. He would have known the score. He would have been handsomely rewarded to be in charge of that game on Saturday and he also would do it because that's what professionals do. It was just confirmation, and unlike with some clubs, has been done face to face and directly. Why is that classless? Classless is texting someone that they have been sacked or getting the sacked manager to tell the assistant which also happens at the top level of football. This
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Post by scubastevetokie on Aug 31, 2022 8:36:28 GMT
It’s amazing cus I heard JC went to pitch side and said can I have a word inside. When DH can smell what’s coming golds his arms and says John, just get on with it we’re both big lads! Hence it being done at the side of the pitch!!!
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