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Post by march4 on Aug 27, 2022 20:06:27 GMT
Durham spreading it now? Who's spinning this shit? Even if true, would it be that bad if done courteously? Would he prefer to be told Monday morning after he's turned up for work? Wouldn't you want to be told ASAP? It's just a nonsense story. It was clear to everyone he was off It could have been that Coates went down to congratulate him and Holden asked him straight up if he was being fired. Couldn't really say no could he. So technically it may be true but why these nomark shysters are spinning it this way god only knows. Unless they're all secret Mackems. You could be right there. We don’t know the context of the conversation. Holden could have been told before the game that the owners were going to ask AN if he wished to retain him. After the game, Holden asked Jon Coates if a decision had been made and Jon informed him what it was. Or they could have been discussing the range of gloss paint in B&Q. Who knows?
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Post by liathroid on Aug 27, 2022 20:06:58 GMT
Well think about it. AN has already made it clear that he wants to bring in his own assistant from Sunderland. Holden was prepared for this and even referenced it in his (yesterday?) interview as, "that's just football." Also has made it clear that he wants to hook back up with MON again after this. If this would be JC giving him "notice" he could be simply relaying that "we've signed Alex Neil and he wants his own assistant here, mate. Sorry to have to tell you this." (Instead of sitting on it until tomorrow or whatever cocktail hour some would prefer the club have done it) Just my guess - no more plausible than someone claiming JC is saying "Get your f&%king stuff cleared out now and go!! In the name of God Go!" (which I doubt) But without any cartoon captions, we have no idea what is being discussed/said. OR...they could have highlighted a "fact" that the photog in the foreground has been having a personal relationship with that water-bottle for over an hour or something probably more factual. If I were Holden I’d be looking for a managers job not following mon otherwise he will find himself at shamrock in the Europa Conference League
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Post by onefatcopper on Aug 27, 2022 20:13:20 GMT
I've criticised these owners for long enough about how they run the football side of our club and will continue to do so until I see otherwise, but some no mark Talksport hack will never, and I mean never convince me that they are nothing but decent, honourable business people that do things properly.
There is absolutely no chance that Dean Holden was sacked pitchside - before, during or after.
You shameful, shameful wanker.
I like you have criticised the owners recently but I’ve got to say this last few days they have got things right. I agree re sacking of Holden no way they did it pitchside they are too decent for that I think you’d better wake up and smell the coffee ! This is the new world of Stoke City, JC has been binge watching the movie “Wall Street” and decided that he has to change his outlook on football and business, he is the Gordon Gecko of football.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Aug 27, 2022 20:17:52 GMT
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Post by Davef on Aug 27, 2022 20:19:32 GMT
That's a private conversation between two grown men. Dean Holden will be adequately compensated.
Talk about a non story.
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Post by proudstokie on Aug 27, 2022 20:19:40 GMT
I once had the opportunity to sit in the directors box at Stoke when they played Bury in the Papa Johns or whatever it was. Crouch and Bojan played for Stoke and Mark Hughes was sat a couple of seats away. I had a friend who was the FD of Bury at the time, what a CV killer, but I won’t go into some the tales he had to tell. Anyway the whole thing stank, mainly the Bury side tbf! Football is a horrible world and most people know what they are signing up for and know what comes with it and make hey while the sun shines! Holden seems like a decent resolute type and will do a good job somewhere!
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Post by The battheader chronicles on Aug 27, 2022 20:19:42 GMT
You’d think they’d be confirming AN tonight then
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 27, 2022 20:21:27 GMT
Dean Holden has this evening left his role as Stoke City’s assistant manager, the Club can confirm.
Joint Chairman John Coates said: “The professionalism that Dean brought to his position with us has never been more evident over the last 48 hours, culminating in him guiding us to victory at Blackburn this afternoon.
“We are grateful for his efforts over the past 16 months and wish him every success for the future.”
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Post by dirtclod on Aug 27, 2022 20:23:05 GMT
Well think about it. AN has already made it clear that he wants to bring in his own assistant from Sunderland. Holden was prepared for this and even referenced it in his (yesterday?) interview as, "that's just football." Also has made it clear that he wants to hook back up with MON again after this. If this would be JC giving him "notice" he could be simply relaying that "we've signed Alex Neil and he wants his own assistant here, mate. Sorry to have to tell you this." (Instead of sitting on it until tomorrow or whatever cocktail hour some would prefer the club have done it) Just my guess - no more plausible than someone claiming JC is saying "Get your f&%king stuff cleared out now and go!! In the name of God Go!" (which I doubt) But without any cartoon captions, we have no idea what is being discussed/said. OR...they could have highlighted a "fact" that the photog in the foreground has been having a personal relationship with that water-bottle for over an hour or something probably more factual. If I were Holden I’d be looking for a managers job not following mon otherwise he will find himself at shamrock I only posted because I think Dean knew about this before the game, because I was reading all about how Neil wanted to bring in his own assistant from Slumberland I want to say it was yesterday. As someone else said, he could simply be thanking Dean for his professionalism through all this. That journo doesn't know what the hell was said. "Hey Dean, we've decided to bring in Carlo Ancelotti at the last minute and he has his own back room staff and all so..."
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Post by foxysgloves on Aug 27, 2022 20:23:25 GMT
That's a private conversation between two grown men. Dean Holden will be adequately compensated. Talk about a non story. He’s been more than adequately paid and as you say I’m sure he’ll be well paid in settlement. I actually think it’s a decent way of doing an unpleasant job. Face to face. On the pitch. I wish Holden well. End of.
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Post by desman2 on Aug 27, 2022 20:23:27 GMT
He probably already Knew but JC wanted to congratulate him on the win today.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 27, 2022 20:27:02 GMT
Like MON, he seems a decent bloke. Good luck to him going forward.
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Post by chigstoke on Aug 27, 2022 20:27:33 GMT
I get the feeling he was really well liked around the club
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Post by foxysgloves on Aug 27, 2022 20:34:12 GMT
I get the feeling he was really well liked around the club Seems like a genuinely decent bloke. And given his well documented personal challenges he has my utmost respect. I hope he goes to great success in the future.
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Aug 27, 2022 20:35:23 GMT
If Durham says it, it must ne true.
What a cock.
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Post by chigstoke on Aug 27, 2022 20:37:35 GMT
I get the feeling he was really well liked around the club Seems like a genuinely decent bloke. And given his well documented personal challenges he has my utmost respect. I hope he goes to great success in the future. Agreed
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Post by shakermaker on Aug 27, 2022 20:42:08 GMT
I get the feeling he was really well liked around the club Considering no such generous tweet was posted for MON, I think you're right. Hope he gets the chance to manage at another club.
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Post by Gods on Aug 27, 2022 20:46:00 GMT
100% win rate as manager.
Perhaps our greatest ever !
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 27, 2022 20:49:14 GMT
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Post by march4 on Aug 27, 2022 20:50:05 GMT
That's a private conversation between two grown men. Dean Holden will be adequately compensated. Talk about a non story. He’s been more than adequately paid and as you say I’m sure he’ll be well paid in settlement. I actually think it’s a decent way of doing an unpleasant job. Face to face. On the pitch. I wish Holden well. End of. I’ve come across a few bosses who could never give bad news face to face. It takes leadership and courage to tell someone they are being dismissed.
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Post by foxysgloves on Aug 27, 2022 20:51:03 GMT
He’s been more than adequately paid and as you say I’m sure he’ll be well paid in settlement. I actually think it’s a decent way of doing an unpleasant job. Face to face. On the pitch. I wish Holden well. End of. I’ve come across a few bosses who could never give bad news face to face. It takes leadership and courage to tell someone they are being dismissed. Absolutely. It takes guts.
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Post by thewonderstuff on Aug 27, 2022 21:31:08 GMT
That's a private conversation between two grown men. Dean Holden will be adequately compensated. Talk about a non story. Yep, even if what Durham is saying is true, is it that bad? Two grown men tying up inevitable details and one of then being handsomely compensated along the way. It isn't actually a story at all
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 27, 2022 21:33:37 GMT
That's a private conversation between two grown men. Dean Holden will be adequately compensated. Talk about a non story. 2 grown men but unfortunately pitchside in front of the media makes it a story.
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Post by thewonderstuff on Aug 27, 2022 21:38:41 GMT
That's a private conversation between two grown men. Dean Holden will be adequately compensated. Talk about a non story. 2 grown men but unfortunately pitchside in front of the media makes it a story. Well I suppose if Holden felt in any way belittled it might be a story but their body language and subsequent tweets reveal it to be utter cobblers as any sort of story.
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Post by Davef on Aug 27, 2022 22:06:25 GMT
That's a private conversation between two grown men. Dean Holden will be adequately compensated. Talk about a non story. 2 grown men but unfortunately pitchside in front of the media makes it a story. A story which nobody will care about by midday on Monday.
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Post by march4 on Aug 27, 2022 22:15:29 GMT
2 grown men but unfortunately pitchside in front of the media makes it a story. A story which nobody will care about by midday on Monday. The voice of reason.
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Post by miltonstokienew on Aug 27, 2022 22:17:53 GMT
Obviously he's going get sacked. The managers gone.
Shit bin
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 27, 2022 22:21:54 GMT
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Aug 27, 2022 22:25:24 GMT
Fuck me they're all piling on. Mind you isn't this how we like it, everyone hating us?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2022 22:27:15 GMT
He probably already Knew but JC wanted to congratulate him on the win today. Of course he would have done, yep Was more like a thank you
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