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Post by JoeinOz on Jul 3, 2022 23:27:54 GMT
Huge day in history. I'm more likely to think of Turin than Philadelphia.
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Post by bullring on Jul 4, 2022 7:22:28 GMT
Englands first pen shoot out.The first cut is the deepest still not fully over it
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Post by mickstupp on Jul 4, 2022 7:37:33 GMT
Is it harsh to say Peter Shilton cost us? He was hopeless against the German pennos and let in a really soft goal.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 4, 2022 7:40:48 GMT
Is it harsh to say Peter Shilton cost us? He was hopeless against the German pennos and let in a really soft goal. Think it's fair to say. His decision to not dive until the kicks had been taken was utterly mad. That said, without him we'd quite possibly have lost to Cameroon.
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Post by leicspotter on Jul 4, 2022 10:44:27 GMT
41 years married today...oh sorry, thought this thread was about me
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 4, 2022 11:03:08 GMT
Is it harsh to say Peter Shilton cost us? He was hopeless against the German pennos and let in a really soft goal. He was useless. His England career went on for too long........
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Post by lordb on Jul 4, 2022 11:06:44 GMT
Is it harsh to say Peter Shilton cost us? He was hopeless against the German pennos and let in a really soft goal. He was useless. His England career went on for too long........ World Class in his day However not in 1990, past his best by then Should have been replaced after Euro 88 We didn't have top alternatives in 1990 but we had acceptable ones, Wood, Beasant
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 4, 2022 11:09:43 GMT
He was useless. His England career went on for too long........ World Class in his day However not in 1990, past his best by then Should have been replaced after Euro 88 We didn't have top alternatives in 1990 but we had acceptable ones, Wood, Beasant Yep, the signs were there a couple of years before as you say. He went down in instalments in the shootout itself but overall he was wooden beyond belief.
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Post by Gods on Jul 4, 2022 11:19:52 GMT
Could Shilton have stopped Brehme's deflected free kick which looped in a horrible arc over his head and dropped apologetically in the net?
I would say not, unless you argue he was too far off his line to begin with.
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Post by mickstupp on Jul 4, 2022 11:29:26 GMT
Could Shilton have stopped Brehme's deflected free kick which looped in a horrible arc over his head and dropped apologetically in the net? I would say not, unless you argue he was too far off his line to begin with. I thought he was very slow and sluggish to react. He should have saved it.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 4, 2022 11:31:11 GMT
Could Shilton have stopped Brehme's deflected free kick which looped in a horrible arc over his head and dropped apologetically in the net? I would say not, unless you argue he was too far off his line to begin with. Certainly debatable, although you couldn't have got a Sentinel between the pitch and his boots when he jumped........
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Post by silsdenstokie on Jul 4, 2022 16:15:58 GMT
Is it harsh to say Peter Shilton cost us? He was hopeless against the German pennos and let in a really soft goal. Id say so Theres an argument he cost us in 86 aswell (in regards Maradona’s first) Italia 90 remains my favourite World Cup
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Post by lordb on Jul 4, 2022 16:20:26 GMT
Is it harsh to say Peter Shilton cost us? He was hopeless against the German pennos and let in a really soft goal. Id say so Theres an argument he cost us in 86 aswell (in regards Maradona’s first) Italia 90 remains my favourite World Cup Re that gosl Simply not his fault
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Post by Gods on Jul 4, 2022 16:29:01 GMT
Could Shilton have stopped Brehme's deflected free kick which looped in a horrible arc over his head and dropped apologetically in the net? I would say not, unless you argue he was too far off his line to begin with. Certainly debatable, although you couldn't have got a Sentinel between the pitch and his boots when he jumped........ I'll have to dig out a picture, I have the feeling it cleared his minimal jump by about 6 feet, but he could perhaps have back pedalled and then made a save.
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Post by silsdenstokie on Jul 4, 2022 16:29:56 GMT
Id say so Theres an argument he cost us in 86 aswell (in regards Maradona’s first) Italia 90 remains my favourite World Cup Re that gosl Simply not his fault I dont know. Why didnt he just punch the ball clear, he must have had a good few inches on Maradona. I suppose the argument is he wasnt expecting Maradona to stick his hand up and punch it in. Im not convinced
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Post by JoeinOz on Jul 5, 2022 13:02:45 GMT
Today is 40 years since Brazil 2 Italy 3. Reckoned by many to be the greatest game ever played.
Also 40 years since Keegan missed that header.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jul 5, 2022 15:14:34 GMT
Is it harsh to say Peter Shilton cost us? He was hopeless against the German pennos and let in a really soft goal. Think it's fair to say. His decision to not dive until the kicks had been taken was utterly mad. That said, without him we'd quite possibly have lost to Cameroon. I was there and screaming for Dave be sang to come on for the penalty shoot out wat before it was thought of we had the best penalty save keeper in the league at the time
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Post by march4 on Jul 5, 2022 15:21:22 GMT
Today is 40 years since Brazil 2 Italy 3. Reckoned by many to be the greatest game ever played. Also 40 years since Keegan missed that header. That header - remember it well. We would have needed a second goal to progress though.
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Post by lordb on Jul 5, 2022 16:08:14 GMT
Today is 40 years since Brazil 2 Italy 3. Reckoned by many to be the greatest game ever played. Also 40 years since Keegan missed that header. My brother was at the game
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Post by JoeinOz on Jul 6, 2022 11:10:16 GMT
Today is 40 years since Brazil 2 Italy 3. Reckoned by many to be the greatest game ever played. Also 40 years since Keegan missed that header. That header - remember it well. We would have needed a second goal to progress though. I know. People forget that now.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jul 6, 2022 11:11:35 GMT
Today is 40 years since Brazil 2 Italy 3. Reckoned by many to be the greatest game ever played. Also 40 years since Keegan missed that header. My brother was at the game Apparently England were unwelcome in Madrid. But were treated well in Bilbao
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2022 11:18:39 GMT
Think it's fair to say. His decision to not dive until the kicks had been taken was utterly mad. That said, without him we'd quite possibly have lost to Cameroon. I was there and screaming for Dave be sang to come on for the penalty shoot out wat before it was thought of we had the best penalty save keeper in the league at the time No way they should have brought on a Korean keeper
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Post by JoeinOz on Jul 6, 2022 11:35:41 GMT
Think it's fair to say. His decision to not dive until the kicks had been taken was utterly mad. That said, without him we'd quite possibly have lost to Cameroon. I was there and screaming for Dave be sang to come on for the penalty shoot out wat before it was thought of we had the best penalty save keeper in the league at the time Did we have a sub left?
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Post by lordb on Jul 6, 2022 12:23:51 GMT
My brother was at the game Apparently England were unwelcome in Madrid. But were treated well in Bilbao I meant the Italy Brazil game It was held in Espanyol's old ground, capacity about 40k he had a ticket but ended up on the other side of the ground as it was chaotic if you look at the footage you'll notice the gangways are packed full of people sitting there
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Post by JoeinOz on Jul 6, 2022 12:38:35 GMT
Apparently England were unwelcome in Madrid. But were treated well in Bilbao I meant the Italy Brazil game It was held in Espanyol's old ground, capacity about 40k he had a ticket but ended up on the other side of the ground as it was chaotic if you look at the footage you'll notice the gangways are packed full of people sitting there He was there. Impressive that is mate. Apart from the chaos what are his memories of it?
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Post by hardcastle on Jul 6, 2022 14:47:24 GMT
Re that gosl Simply not his fault I dont know. Why didnt he just punch the ball clear, he must have had a good few inches on Maradona. I suppose the argument is he wasnt expecting Maradona to stick his hand up and punch it in. Im not convinced What is he six foot three? And Maradona, what, five foot eight. Shouldn't have been too hard to punch the ball clear even if Maradona did use his hands, should it?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2022 14:58:15 GMT
I dont know. Why didnt he just punch the ball clear, he must have had a good few inches on Maradona. I suppose the argument is he wasnt expecting Maradona to stick his hand up and punch it in. Im not convinced What is he six foot three? And Maradona, what, five foot eight. Shouldn't have been too hard to punch the ball clear even if Maradona did use his hands, should it? Denis Wise once scored a winner for England with his hand. Not exactly the tallest. I guess he just didn't expect it. Harsh to blame the keeper.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2022 15:07:14 GMT
I was there and screaming for Dave be sang to come on for the penalty shoot out wat before it was thought of we had the best penalty save keeper in the league at the time Did we have a sub left? Surely not as didn't Mark Wright have to go on the wing as was badly injured and no subs left?
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Post by lordb on Jul 6, 2022 15:22:54 GMT
I meant the Italy Brazil game It was held in Espanyol's old ground, capacity about 40k he had a ticket but ended up on the other side of the ground as it was chaotic if you look at the footage you'll notice the gangways are packed full of people sitting there He was there. Impressive that is mate. Apart from the chaos what are his memories of it? Brazil lost...., he got a pucker replica Brazil shirt which I acquired off him even though I was way to small for it The other game in the group was played at simultaneously at half empty Nou Camp across town
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Post by bullring on Jul 6, 2022 18:30:43 GMT
That header - remember it well. We would have needed a second goal to progress though. I know. People forget that now. The one goal could have been enough we would have then drawn lots with the Germans,
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