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Post by dutchstokie on Jul 2, 2022 18:43:31 GMT
Compared to other teams and their signings….?
I’ve knocked all and sundry at Stoke this last year but their DOES seem to be a bit of planning in terms of signings and what we need….. I feel a bit of a tingle in me widgy if I’m honest.
I haven’t seen any other teams pulling up trees in terms of signings yet
A good first few games, consistently scoring and attractive play….. let’s see heh
Anyone else feeling less pessimistic and more of ‘mmmm, not bad so far’
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2022 20:18:07 GMT
This will be the season where our manager rams the words of the know nowts down their know nothing throats  If he doesn't, he can leave with my best wishes amd give someone else a go  |
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Post by Sfance on Jul 2, 2022 20:51:46 GMT
This will be the season where our manager rams the words of the know nowts down their know nothing throats If he doesn't, he can leave with my best wishes amd give someone else a go Gotta love them as can blithely ignore three years of evidence . . . I blame the schools. |
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Jul 2, 2022 20:58:30 GMT
This will be the season where our manager rams the words of the know nowts down their know nothing throats If he doesn't, he can leave with my best wishes amd give someone else a go Gotta love them as can blithely ignore three years of evidence . . . I blame the schools. Didn’t it take Sir Alex FOUR years to win anything at Manchester United? (I also blame the schools) |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2022 21:02:49 GMT
This will be the season where our manager rams the words of the know nowts down their know nothing throats If he doesn't, he can leave with my best wishes amd give someone else a go Gotta love them as can blithely ignore three years of evidence . . . I blame the schools. He's done a good job. Yes some of the football has been an excruciating watch, certainly at home, but considering what he walked into and the obvious mess he has had to sort out, he's done a good job. He has, regardless of financial restrictions, now got to start pushing us on as a genuine promotion threat, which I still believe he can and will do. If that doesn't happen then it's thanks for all the hard work you've put in in stabilising and rebuilding our football club, amd good luck for your future but we're gonna try something else. |
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Post by lancashirelad on Jul 2, 2022 21:07:48 GMT
The championship will be very open (as normal) with no team standing out, at this stage due to Dean Smith managing them i have Norwich slight favourites.
Burnley will be a style change which will take time to gel and Watford are Watford but start with an untried british manager.
MoN with his squad to date looks like a wing back system and needs to get the top end of the team correct if wing backs can deliver. The younger signings are untried and will take time to find their natural game to fit the system. Plenty of time to fill gaps and have players for back up system but please have a Plan A system and stick to it the majority of games.
Also not seen any team in the championship sign more than one player whom i wished Stoke had signed but lots of time yet.
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Post by potter1989 on Jul 3, 2022 6:13:13 GMT
I think all round we cannot moan at all. Big earners leaving and young hungry players coming in, like a post above says, still feel we’re light at top end of the pitch, but hopefully that’s gets sorted soon, would be really good if signings were mostly done within pre season, gives a young team more time to gel and hit the ground running at millwall,
My widge is starting to tingle also….
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Post by pb1863 on Jul 3, 2022 6:36:08 GMT
MON is building a team that can not only get us promoted but will be able to stay up with obviously a few additions. Im getting excited and just hope we get off to a decent start and build momentum.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 3, 2022 6:46:33 GMT
MON is building a team that can not only get us promoted but will be able to stay up with obviously a few additions. Im getting excited and just hope we get off to a decent start and build momentum. Who do you think has PL quality? Powell definitely. Souttar probably. Baker probably. Campbell on a good day. |
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Post by wuzza on Jul 3, 2022 7:17:49 GMT
For a couple of years we’ve been working hard to get the basics right and there’s been plenty of set backs on the injury front but with a bit of luck we might now have a core to build on.
We still seem to need a couple of players to provide the ‘x factor’ - a bit of flair that can produce something from nowhere but thats easier said than done.
We also need to find a system that is pragmatic and can be relied on to keep things tight at the back - something that I worry about on previous evidence.
As things stand we look like a squad that shouldn’t go down but will struggle to be involved at the top end of the table aswell.
The rest of pre season and further transfer activity will be crucial and after that we are in the lap of the injury gods again.
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Post by Gods on Jul 3, 2022 7:54:25 GMT
FFP and a vast burgeoning debt means we are very much shopping in Wilko while trying to offload the higher paid players.
We'll have to wait and see if we have unearthed a couple of little gems or if it is the normal pin and a blindfold stuff.
I suspect the latter, too many mental scars!
Oh, and will half our starters get injured in pre-season as normally happens?
I am anticipating a long dark night of the soul on this message board as we have once again failed to make an impact some time in January.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2022 8:12:54 GMT
We need a strong, mobile target man (no idea who)
A wide left forward (JPB?)
and cherry on the cake a new no.1 keeper
New additions look good on paper but we'll see. At least we've got the majority in early to give them time to bed in.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 3, 2022 8:18:46 GMT
FFP and a vast burgeoning debt means we are very much shopping in Wilko while trying to offload the higher paid players. We'll have to wait and see if we have unearthed a couple of little gems or if it is the normal pin and a blindfold stuff. I suspect the latter, too many mental scars! Oh, and will half our starters get injured in pre-season as normally happens? I am anticipating a long dark night of the soul on this message as we have once again failed to make an impact some time in January. Definitely possible. I do on paper like the positions and profile of the players we’ve signed for the most part. The players we’ve signed that I’ve heard of I’m pleased with and the ones I haven’t sound promising and are in positions that needed strengthening. I’m slightly more optimistic than I was. MON is my main worry. |
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jul 3, 2022 8:35:31 GMT
A decent target man is an absolute must and could be the difference between ending up mid table and challenging for the play offs.
I still think the manager will hold us back especially with his insistence of playing 5 at the back.
If we sold Tymon, got a specialist left back in and went 433 with a new target man and managed to get JPB back we'd look decent.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 3, 2022 8:52:00 GMT
MON is building a team that can not only get us promoted but will be able to stay up with obviously a few additions. Im getting excited and just hope we get off to a decent start and build momentum. Who do you think has PL quality? Powell definitely. Souttar probably. Baker probably. Campbell on a good day. You don't need a team full of Premier League quality to get promoted from the Championship, do you? Virtually all promoted teams need to bring in a significant number of PL quality players if they are to survive and prosper after promotion. One advantage we would have if we got promoted is that our squad looks as if it will be one of the youngest in the league so there is a reasonable chance that some of our players who are not yet PL quality might reach that quality soon if they do manage to win promotion. Obviously we would still need to bring in PL experience but a young squad with the ability to improve is no bad thing to have after promotion. |
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Post by questionable on Jul 3, 2022 9:08:21 GMT
MON is building a team that can not only get us promoted but will be able to stay up with obviously a few additions. Im getting excited and just hope we get off to a decent start and build momentum. Who do you think has PL quality? Powell definitely. Souttar probably. Baker probably. Campbell on a good day. My thoughts exactly, if by some miracle we can sneak up it’d be a massive rebuilding exercise. |
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Post by mickstupp on Jul 3, 2022 9:08:50 GMT
We will get nowhere until we get a quality goalkeeper and centre forward.
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Post by march4 on Jul 3, 2022 9:10:18 GMT
It has been an interesting window so far. We have brought in some presence for the centre of defence. And we are plugging some of the gaps in the squad with young hopefully hungry players.
I have a concern that some of these signings are not of the required physical strength for this division and teams will still be able to wander through the centre of our midfield with ease.
Up front we seem to be pinning our hopes on a revitalised Tyrese. I think we need more in the goal scoring department even if Tyrese hits top form.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 3, 2022 9:14:43 GMT
It has been an interesting window so far. We have brought in some presence for the centre of defence. And we are plugging some of the gaps in the squad with young hopefully hungry players. I have a concern that some of these signings are not of the required physical strength for this division and teams will still be able to wander through the centre of our midfield with ease. Up front we seem to be pinning our hopes on a revitalised Tyrese. I think we need more in the goal scoring department even if Tyrese hits top form. I think most Stokies feel we need a target man who is also a reasonably reliable scorer. Neither Campbell, Brown or Maja (if we sign him) meets those criteria. |
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Post by march4 on Jul 3, 2022 9:18:37 GMT
It has been an interesting window so far. We have brought in some presence for the centre of defence. And we are plugging some of the gaps in the squad with young hopefully hungry players. I have a concern that some of these signings are not of the required physical strength for this division and teams will still be able to wander through the centre of our midfield with ease. Up front we seem to be pinning our hopes on a revitalised Tyrese. I think we need more in the goal scoring department even if Tyrese hits top form. I think most Stokies feel we need a target man who is also a reasonably reliable scorer. Neither Campbell, Brown or Maja (if we sign him) meets those criteria. I would be very disappointed if Maja returns. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 3, 2022 9:23:39 GMT
A long way to go yet, there's still sizable gaps that need filling before anyone can really say how we're shaping up. There's also question marks over those we have got in so its probably best to hold of until we're 10 games in or so.
This talk of promotion and staying up is pie in the sky.
Its not just the team that needs massive improvement.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2022 9:27:14 GMT
Who do you think has PL quality? Powell definitely. Souttar probably. Baker probably. Campbell on a good day. My thoughts exactly, if by some miracle we can sneak up it’d be a massive rebuilding exercise. Same for any team that goes up really apart from maybe a few of the yo-yo teams. How many of our last promotion team looked prem quality? |
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Post by RF10 on Jul 3, 2022 9:35:27 GMT
This will be the season where our manager rams the words of the know nowts down their know nothing throats If he doesn't, he can leave with my best wishes amd give someone else a go Whilst you are jesting, I am of this opinion. We need to show big improvement this season of he is to remain next year. This doesn't necessarily mean getting promoted or even making the play offs at a push. A similar season to the 2006 / 07 would do for me. With the type of signings made so far I'm confident of play offs but we still need a few additions GK and FWD mainly. |
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Post by scfc75 on Jul 3, 2022 9:39:42 GMT
My thoughts exactly, if by some miracle we can sneak up it’d be a massive rebuilding exercise. Same for any team that goes up really apart from maybe a few of the yo-yo teams. How many of our last promotion team looked prem quality? Our squad at Bolton in ‘08 contained Dicko, Olofinjana, Cresswell, Cort, Pericard and Amdy Faye… I know some of those were signed after promotion but still shows how weak it was. |
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Post by gingerninja on Jul 3, 2022 9:40:08 GMT
I hope we pull a rabbit out of the hat and bring in a quality, physically strong CF. Maja is not that person.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2022 9:41:10 GMT
A decent target man is an absolute must and could be the difference between ending up mid table and challenging for the play offs. I still think the manager will hold us back especially with his insistence of playing 5 at the back. If we sold Tymon, got a specialist left back in and went 433 with a new target man and managed to get JPB back we'd look decent. My hopes rest on him having confidence in Tymon as a LB. Clarke is tall for a RB and started out as a CB I think so should be ideal. I think a lot of the sticking with three CBs last season after Souttar's injury was down to him not trusting Smith as a RB (rightly so in my opinion) not so much Tymon at LB. I think every time we played with a four he shoehorned either Wilmot or THB there didn't he? We'll probably have more idea when and if we bring in a wide forward. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 3, 2022 9:45:02 GMT
A decent target man is an absolute must and could be the difference between ending up mid table and challenging for the play offs. I still think the manager will hold us back especially with his insistence of playing 5 at the back. If we sold Tymon, got a specialist left back in and went 433 with a new target man and managed to get JPB back we'd look decent. You keep talking about a back 5 and not a back 3, yet Tymon put the 4th highest amount of crosses per game into the box of any full back/wing back behind Bree (Luton), Kane (Coventry) and Robinson (Fulham)……. |
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Post by hyaduck on Jul 3, 2022 9:55:42 GMT
Gotta love them as can blithely ignore three years of evidence . . . I blame the schools. He's done a good job. Yes some of the football has been an excruciating watch, certainly at home, but considering what he walked into and the obvious mess he has had to sort out, he's done a good job. He has, regardless of financial restrictions, now got to start pushing us on as a genuine promotion threat, which I still believe he can and will do. If that doesn't happen then it's thanks for all the hard work you've put in in stabilising and rebuilding our football club, amd good luck for your future but we're gonna try something else. How can you honestly say he’s done a good job? That first season he did very well just to keep us up after Jones and that horrible Ba#%ard Rowett did their damage. The last couple of seasons has seen little or no improvement, any other club would of sacked him after last season and you know it!!!!! |
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Post by wakeypotter on Jul 3, 2022 10:20:53 GMT
MON is building a team that can not only get us promoted but will be able to stay up with obviously a few additions. Im getting excited and just hope we get off to a decent start and build momentum. Who do you think has PL quality? Powell definitely. Souttar probably. Baker probably. Campbell on a good day. If Powell is defo prem quality why arnt clubs queuing up for him He’s got a year left on his contract must be a bargain for someone Yet another over statement about Powell He’s decent at the level he’s at end of |
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 3, 2022 10:23:39 GMT
A decent target man is an absolute must and could be the difference between ending up mid table and challenging for the play offs. I still think the manager will hold us back especially with his insistence of playing 5 at the back. If we sold Tymon, got a specialist left back in and went 433 with a new target man and managed to get JPB back we'd look decent. My hopes rest on him having confidence in Tymon as a LB. Clarke is tall for a RB and started out as a CB I think so should be ideal. I think a lot of the sticking with three CBs last season after Souttar's injury was down to him not trusting Smith as a RB (rightly so in my opinion) not so much Tymon at LB. I think every time we played with a four he shoehorned either Wilmot or THB there didn't he? We'll probably have more idea when and if we bring in a wide forward. I still think we'll largely be a back three/five. But I think it may be more of a 3-4-3, so Campbell can play on the right. But I've got no idea where Brown and Powell feature in that, especially if we do sign a target man and another JPB-like option for the left. Only room for any 2 of Kilkenny, Baker and Laurent too, who will all see themselves as integral. So still a lot up in the air wen trying to work out what the plan is. I think the identity of the target man will make or break everything. Apart from Andy Carroll and Liam Delap, it's hard to think of any obvious potential targets on our apparent budget of frees and loans. Most clubs are after the same type of names, and no obvious ones have been floating around who'd fit the bill Very few options from abroad could get a work permit either. |
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