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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jun 28, 2022 10:51:25 GMT
Do you really fail to understand why the call for strike action is becoming ever louder across the workforce of this country? It’s my opinion I do notice that you often comment with words like "that's the way it is" "always has been" etc etc....
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 28, 2022 10:54:35 GMT
I do notice that you often comment with words like "that's the way it is" "always has been" etc etc.... that’s the way it is
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jun 28, 2022 10:55:10 GMT
I do notice that you often comment with words like "that's the way it is" "always has been" etc etc.... that’s the way it is Yep...thought so.
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Post by oggyoggy on Jun 28, 2022 11:09:17 GMT
the country will come to a halt at this rate. It’ll be interesting to see if any of the strikes will actually work or whether they’ll step them up further if they don’t get what they want. I doubt the fat cats will be that bothered. It’s you and me who’ll suffer when we can’t get around, don’t get our post, can’t get health treatment or don’t have our children being educated. The big question has to be whether anything will get achieved by the strikers actions ? Arguably we are often already not getting our post, have limited transport to get around in, have to wait years for health treatment etc. Years of austerity and privatisation for profits over service has led to where we are.
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Post by thewonderstuff on Jun 28, 2022 11:11:13 GMT
Hasn’t it always been the case that the bosses get paid more? That’s the way life is otherwise what’s the point of people working hard to try to get promoted. Should a postman get paid the same amount as an area manager for example. There will always be indians and chiefs. I’m an indian by choice I don’t want the grief of being a manager as it’s just way too griefy. I’ve never been driven by money so it doesn’t bother me that my bosses get paid more than me as I’d rather have a home / life work balance that they don’t have because their job’s pretty much 24/7. They probably get 4-5 times more than me and frankly they’re welcome to it as I’m probably happier. That is true to a point, but, the problem is that the gap has grown significantly. I worked nearly 40 years for a FTSE 100 Company. Back when I earned about £5k a year, the CEO had a basic salary of £100k and the Company made about £500m profit. When I retired the equivalent salary for someone doing the £5k a year job was about £30k but the CEO's basic salary had increased to over £4m and the Company still made around £500m profit. So over the period the basic employee's salary had gone up by about 6 times whereas the CEO's salary had increased by about 40 times. The complaint is not so much that the bosses get paid more, it is that none of the arguments used to restrict employee's pay appear to apply to the bosses. The differential between CEO's remuneration and workers remuneration has doubled in the last 12 months alone. Let's not forget January 7th each year either, where the median FTSE 100 chief executive will have been paid the median UK worker’s annual salary already. People who take home in under a week what their staff take home in an entire year. Restraint, eh?
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 28, 2022 16:18:51 GMT
I guess we all have quirky ways / sayings.
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Post by thewonderstuff on Jun 29, 2022 14:10:36 GMT
Number crunching
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Post by thewonderstuff on Aug 9, 2022 23:21:08 GMT
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 10, 2022 5:16:44 GMT
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 10, 2022 6:48:28 GMT
Actually, the Royal Mail is a depressing and typical tale of British industry. A complacent and rubbish management and an intransigent union. The workers are right to be annoyed about the failure of the management not to share the significant windfall the company enjoyed thanks to the boom in home parcel delivery during the covid times. The problem is, this rosy period of finances for Royal Mail ain’t going to last very long because the company is inefficient and not responsive, in large part due to union opposition to new working practices, which means its market share in parcel delivery, which is where the industry is growing, is tanking. A strike might get the workers a fairer share of the windfall (and I hope it does) but will likely see further erosion of Royal Mail’s market share. Maybe that’s the best they can hope for. If I was working for Royal Mail just now, I reckon I’d strike then leave and work somewhere else. Because the future ain’t the Royal Mail.
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Post by thewonderstuff on Aug 10, 2022 10:12:40 GMT
We're all in it together.....
We all have to make sacrifices.....
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 10, 2022 10:31:30 GMT
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 10, 2022 12:27:59 GMT
Actually, the Royal Mail is a depressing and typical tale of British industry. A complacent and rubbish management and an intransigent union. The workers are right to be annoyed about the failure of the management not to share the significant windfall the company enjoyed thanks to the boom in home parcel delivery during the covid times. The problem is, this rosy period of finances for Royal Mail ain’t going to last very long because the company is inefficient and not responsive, in large part due to union opposition to new working practices, which means its market share in parcel delivery, which is where the industry is growing, is tanking. A strike might get the workers a fairer share of the windfall (and I hope it does) but will likely see further erosion of Royal Mail’s market share. Maybe that’s the best they can hope for. If I was working for Royal Mail just now, I reckon I’d strike then leave and work somewhere else. Because the future ain’t the Royal Mail. I think that's an overly gloomy picture for Royal Mail. They are behind the e-commerce curve compared to the likes of Amazon of course but Amazon will soon have their own challenges in the UK and throughout Europe with workers rights when (hopefully) the workforces will join in unionising to improve pay and conditions, plus potential changes to taxation which will harm their growth plans. The pandemic was a cash cow that they milked but it's still a profitable, sustainable business with the right decision making........
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Post by felonious on Aug 10, 2022 12:37:20 GMT
Actually, the Royal Mail is a depressing and typical tale of British industry. A complacent and rubbish management and an intransigent union. The workers are right to be annoyed about the failure of the management not to share the significant windfall the company enjoyed thanks to the boom in home parcel delivery during the covid times. The problem is, this rosy period of finances for Royal Mail ain’t going to last very long because the company is inefficient and not responsive, in large part due to union opposition to new working practices, which means its market share in parcel delivery, which is where the industry is growing, is tanking. A strike might get the workers a fairer share of the windfall (and I hope it does) but will likely see further erosion of Royal Mail’s market share. Maybe that’s the best they can hope for. If I was working for Royal Mail just now, I reckon I’d strike then leave and work somewhere else. Because the future ain’t the Royal Mail. Rumoured to be losing £1M a day post their Covid boom. Something's got to give when they're competing against efficient companies in the private sector. To give an example of their horrendous inefficiency the parcel box near Crewe station has been broken and boarded up for two months now forcing people into the delivery office 100 yards away. This office is closed on Saturday afternoons, all day Sunday and closed now on Monday afternoons. The message is clear if you want efficient parcel deliveries then use a competitor.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2022 13:03:51 GMT
God almighty, I couldn’t think of a cushier job! Vanessa Feltz' fruit and veg man?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 10, 2022 13:12:00 GMT
Actually, the Royal Mail is a depressing and typical tale of British industry. A complacent and rubbish management and an intransigent union. The workers are right to be annoyed about the failure of the management not to share the significant windfall the company enjoyed thanks to the boom in home parcel delivery during the covid times. The problem is, this rosy period of finances for Royal Mail ain’t going to last very long because the company is inefficient and not responsive, in large part due to union opposition to new working practices, which means its market share in parcel delivery, which is where the industry is growing, is tanking. A strike might get the workers a fairer share of the windfall (and I hope it does) but will likely see further erosion of Royal Mail’s market share. Maybe that’s the best they can hope for. If I was working for Royal Mail just now, I reckon I’d strike then leave and work somewhere else. Because the future ain’t the Royal Mail. Rumoured to be losing £1M a day post their Covid boom. Something's got to give when they're competing against efficient companies in the private sector. To give an example of their horrendous inefficiency the parcel box near Crewe station has been broken and boarded up for two months now forcing people into the delivery office 100 yards away. This office is closed on Saturday afternoons, all day Sunday and closed now on Monday afternoons. The message is clear if you want efficient parcel deliveries then use a competitor. It's funny how Williams was lauding the success of the Royal Mail when he was handing out £400m to shareholders, and now workers are threatening strikes the business isn't viable. Sounds like replacing him with someone a bit more competent would be a good starting point........
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Post by somersetstokie on Aug 10, 2022 13:12:17 GMT
I am probably on my own with my opinion.
I have no problem with workers geting a fair days pay for a fair days work, and I appreciate that families are struggling in the face of huge cost of living price increases. But I have an issue with this tide of strikers demanding more pay. Each group probably claiming to be "a special case".
Where do they think the money is coming from. And say they get a good 10% pay rise now, when inflation is up to 15% by November, what are they going to do? Make another substantial pay claim?
This is a time for sensible pay restraint and belt tightening. There is no magic wand to be waved by a new Prime Minister to give everyone big pay rises or lower bills. This is going to be a long haul struggle.
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Post by elystokie on Aug 10, 2022 13:16:31 GMT
I am probably on my own with my opinion. I have no problem with workers geting a fair days pay for a fair days work, and I appreciate that families are struggling in the face of huge cost of living price increases. But I have an issue with this tide of strikers demanding more pay. Each group probably claiming to be "a special case". Where do they think the money is coming from. And say they get a good 10% pay rise now, when inflation is up to 15% by November, what are they going to do? Make another substantial pay claim? This is a time for sensible pay restraint and belt tightening. There is no magic wand to be waved by a new Prime Minister to give everyone big pay rises or lower bills. This is going to be a long haul struggle. I think the perception is that it's only the working class that seem to be being expected to bear the brunt of the 'long haul struggle' whilst CEOs etc are being awarded extraordinary wage increases.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 10, 2022 13:23:45 GMT
I am probably on my own with my opinion. I have no problem with workers geting a fair days pay for a fair days work, and I appreciate that families are struggling in the face of huge cost of living price increases. But I have an issue with this tide of strikers demanding more pay. Each group probably claiming to be "a special case". Where do they think the money is coming from. And say they get a good 10% pay rise now, when inflation is up to 15% by November, what are they going to do? Make another substantial pay claim? This is a time for sensible pay restraint and belt tightening. There is no magic wand to be waved by a new Prime Minister to give everyone big pay rises or lower bills. This is going to be a long haul struggle. I have a joke about trickle down economics, but 99% of you won't get it.......
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Post by felonious on Aug 10, 2022 13:53:03 GMT
Rumoured to be losing £1M a day post their Covid boom. Something's got to give when they're competing against efficient companies in the private sector. To give an example of their horrendous inefficiency the parcel box near Crewe station has been broken and boarded up for two months now forcing people into the delivery office 100 yards away. This office is closed on Saturday afternoons, all day Sunday and closed now on Monday afternoons. The message is clear if you want efficient parcel deliveries then use a competitor. It's funny how Williams was lauding the success of the Royal Mail when he was handing out £400m to shareholders, and now workers are threatening strikes the business isn't viable. Sounds like replacing him with someone a bit more competent would be a good starting point........ Some businesses had a good Covid and Royal Mail was one of them. Has Royal Mail ever been competent? They're up against some serious competition out there and a strike will hasten their demise.
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Post by questionable on Aug 10, 2022 14:40:39 GMT
Certainly won’t miss my Postie on their action days, rarely see him as he continuously delivers my mail next door 😡
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 10, 2022 15:52:26 GMT
On the subject of shareholders am I right in thinking that the workers have the option to buy shares themselves at a reduced rate or are given them. When I worked for Barclays back in the 90s that was certainly the case.
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Post by Hereward the Wake ᛊᛏᛟᚲᛖ on Aug 10, 2022 16:04:26 GMT
Hasn’t it always been the case that the bosses get paid more? That’s the way life is otherwise what’s the point of people working hard to try to get promoted. Should a postman get paid the same amount as an area manager for example. There will always be indians and chiefs. I’m an indian by choice I don’t want the grief of being a manager as it’s just way too griefy. I’ve never been driven by money so it doesn’t bother me that my bosses get paid more than me as I’d rather have a home / life work balance that they don’t have because their job’s pretty much 24/7. They probably get 4-5 times more than me and frankly they’re welcome to it as I’m probably happier. Very logical and sensible post 👍
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 10, 2022 16:27:55 GMT
Hasn’t it always been the case that the bosses get paid more? That’s the way life is otherwise what’s the point of people working hard to try to get promoted. Should a postman get paid the same amount as an area manager for example. There will always be indians and chiefs. I’m an indian by choice I don’t want the grief of being a manager as it’s just way too griefy. I’ve never been driven by money so it doesn’t bother me that my bosses get paid more than me as I’d rather have a home / life work balance that they don’t have because their job’s pretty much 24/7. They probably get 4-5 times more than me and frankly they’re welcome to it as I’m probably happier. Very logical and sensible post 👍 I think there’s a few on here would say I’m an idiot
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Post by Hereward the Wake ᛊᛏᛟᚲᛖ on Aug 10, 2022 16:28:41 GMT
Very logical and sensible post 👍 I think there’s a few on here would say I’m an idiot Are you arsed though? 😄
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 10, 2022 16:51:24 GMT
I think there’s a few on here would say I’m an idiot Are you arsed though? 😄 nope lol
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Post by thewonderstuff on Aug 10, 2022 21:28:45 GMT
I am probably on my own with my opinion. I have no problem with workers geting a fair days pay for a fair days work, and I appreciate that families are struggling in the face of huge cost of living price increases. But I have an issue with this tide of strikers demanding more pay. Each group probably claiming to be "a special case". Where do they think the money is coming from. And say they get a good 10% pay rise now, when inflation is up to 15% by November, what are they going to do? Make another substantial pay claim? This is a time for sensible pay restraint and belt tightening. There is no magic wand to be waved by a new Prime Minister to give everyone big pay rises or lower bills. This is going to be a long haul struggle. Any views on this as we all scrabble around making 'sacrifices', Somerset?
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Post by Davef on Aug 10, 2022 22:04:23 GMT
I am probably on my own with my opinion. I have no problem with workers geting a fair days pay for a fair days work, and I appreciate that families are struggling in the face of huge cost of living price increases. But I have an issue with this tide of strikers demanding more pay. Each group probably claiming to be "a special case". Where do they think the money is coming from. And say they get a good 10% pay rise now, when inflation is up to 15% by November, what are they going to do? Make another substantial pay claim? This is a time for sensible pay restraint and belt tightening. There is no magic wand to be waved by a new Prime Minister to give everyone big pay rises or lower bills. This is going to be a long haul struggle. Any views on this as we all scrabble around making 'sacrifices', Somerset? Or this? The UK has 177 billionaires worth a combined fortune of £653bn. That's ten times the amount spent on the 18 month long furlough scheme. news.sky.com/story/sunday-times-rich-list-2022-uk-has-a-record-number-of-billionaires-12617181
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Post by chuffedstokie on Aug 11, 2022 5:17:58 GMT
Who's going to deliver people's prescriptions.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 11, 2022 5:44:51 GMT
Who's going to deliver people's prescriptions. I’ve had an email off the pharmacy to say they’re working closely with Royal Mail to find a resolution to the issue. Whatever that means
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