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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 27, 2022 17:48:24 GMT
The latest workforce to vote for strike action
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 27, 2022 17:52:21 GMT
God almighty, I couldn’t think of a cushier job!
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 27, 2022 17:52:32 GMT
the country will come to a halt at this rate. It’ll be interesting to see if any of the strikes will actually work or whether they’ll step them up further if they don’t get what they want.
I doubt the fat cats will be that bothered. It’s you and me who’ll suffer when we can’t get around, don’t get our post, can’t get health treatment or don’t have our children being educated.
The big question has to be whether anything will get achieved by the strikers actions ?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 27, 2022 17:55:05 GMT
the country will come to a halt at this rate. It’s that cushy even I applied for a job with them not too long ago😉
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Post by thewonderstuff on Jun 27, 2022 18:06:11 GMT
The big question has to be whether anything will get achieved by the strikers actions ?
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Post by thewonderstuff on Jun 27, 2022 18:10:24 GMT
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Post by innocentbystander on Jun 27, 2022 18:19:03 GMT
After the Black Death there was a much reduced working population for the same amount of land. Skilled and unskilled labour were suddenly able to negotiate better wages from their landlords, and even move to other areas for a better offer after years of serfdom.
The combination of Covid and Brexit seems to have triggered a similar reset with employers competing for a reduced workforce.
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Post by questionable on Jun 27, 2022 18:25:14 GMT
The latest workforce to vote for strike action Mines been on strike for the last 6 months or so as it’s up to my neighbours to hand my mail over, useless I’m sure he does it on purpose now as I put in a complaint about him constantly posting my letters to neighbours. Also sure he knocked the heads of my tulips 😡
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Post by questionable on Jun 27, 2022 18:27:32 GMT
God almighty, I couldn’t think of a cushier job! Our old Postie was mint then the PO came up with the policy of the longest serving postman could select their own rounds.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Jun 27, 2022 18:29:13 GMT
I don't think a lot of people in the UK realise what a cesspit UK jobs can be. There was a popular Twitter thread from a rail platform guard (I think it was), who justified the strikes by (amongst other reasons) saying what a difficult job it is - the parts the public don't see - like maybe counselling someone who is suicidal or waiting for hours after their shift for the police to turn up.
That shouldn't be part of her job, but it's far from the only job where people go above and beyond the remit they signed up for and/or where stress levels are off the scale for various reasons. I'm not saying that's right (it isn't), but a lot of folk seem stuck in their own bubble and don't appreciate what others in different (and often less well-paid) jobs have to put up with. Many public sector jobs are an absolute disgrace and that's even before talking about the NHS.
I happen to know people who've worked for the Post Office, and they have had to put up with some terrible conditions, but I bet it's a better job than your average zero hours contract with DPD or another delivery company.
Better working conditions are more important than pay, IMO, and I'm not sure what strikes for a pay increase are going to achieve. Most of these people won't be any happier unless the systemic issue with jobs in the UK is sorted, and that comes from the top.
I've had bad jobs, but for years now have felt lucky to have a job with good employers who understand that work and life are separate things.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 27, 2022 18:34:12 GMT
I don't think a lot of people in the UK realise what a cesspit UK jobs can be. There was a popular Twitter thread from a rail platform guard (I think it was), who justified the strikes by (amongst other reasons) saying what a difficult job it is - the parts the public don't see - like maybe counselling someone who is suicidal or waiting for hours after their shift for the police to turn up. That shouldn't be part of her job, but it's far from the only job where people go above and beyond the remit they signed up for and/or where stress levels are off the scale for various reasons. I'm not saying that's right (it isn't), but a lot of folk seem stuck in their own bubble and don't appreciate what others in different (and often less well-paid) jobs have to put up with. Many public sector jobs are an absolute disgrace and that's even before talking about the NHS. I happen to know people who've worked for the Post Office, and they have had to put up with some terrible conditions, but I bet it's a better job than your average zero hours contract with DPD or another delivery company. Better working conditions are more important than pay, IMO, and I'm not sure what strikes for a pay increase are going to achieve. Most of these people won't be any happier unless the systemic issue with jobs in the UK is sorted, and that comes from the top. I've had bad jobs, but for years now have felt lucky to have a job with good employers who understand that work and life are separate things. Great post👍🏻
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 27, 2022 18:45:15 GMT
I don't think a lot of people in the UK realise what a cesspit UK jobs can be. There was a popular Twitter thread from a rail platform guard (I think it was), who justified the strikes by (amongst other reasons) saying what a difficult job it is - the parts the public don't see - like maybe counselling someone who is suicidal or waiting for hours after their shift for the police to turn up. That shouldn't be part of her job, but it's far from the only job where people go above and beyond the remit they signed up for and/or where stress levels are off the scale for various reasons. I'm not saying that's right (it isn't), but a lot of folk seem stuck in their own bubble and don't appreciate what others in different (and often less well-paid) jobs have to put up with. Many public sector jobs are an absolute disgrace and that's even before talking about the NHS. I happen to know people who've worked for the Post Office, and they have had to put up with some terrible conditions, but I bet it's a better job than your average zero hours contract with DPD or another delivery company. Better working conditions are more important than pay, IMO, and I'm not sure what strikes for a pay increase are going to achieve. Most of these people won't be any happier unless the systemic issue with jobs in the UK is sorted, and that comes from the top. I've had bad jobs, but for years now have felt lucky to have a job with good employers who understand that work and life are separate things. what an excellent post.
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Post by thewonderstuff on Jun 27, 2022 18:57:01 GMT
I don't think a lot of people in the UK realise what a cesspit UK jobs can be. There was a popular Twitter thread from a rail platform guard (I think it was), who justified the strikes by (amongst other reasons) saying what a difficult job it is - the parts the public don't see - like maybe counselling someone who is suicidal or waiting for hours after their shift for the police to turn up. That shouldn't be part of her job, but it's far from the only job where people go above and beyond the remit they signed up for and/or where stress levels are off the scale for various reasons. I'm not saying that's right (it isn't), but a lot of folk seem stuck in their own bubble and don't appreciate what others in different (and often less well-paid) jobs have to put up with. Many public sector jobs are an absolute disgrace and that's even before talking about the NHS. I happen to know people who've worked for the Post Office, and they have had to put up with some terrible conditions, but I bet it's a better job than your average zero hours contract with DPD or another delivery company. Better working conditions are more important than pay, IMO, and I'm not sure what strikes for a pay increase are going to achieve. Most of these people won't be any happier unless the systemic issue with jobs in the UK is sorted, and that comes from the top. I've had bad jobs, but for years now have felt lucky to have a job with good employers who understand that work and life are separate things. Virtually every strike is about pay AND conditions. Usually as the two issues are deliberately conflated by bosses. ' OK you can have your 4% if you also do these four other things that make your working day more miserable'. Or 'you can have your 4% but we get rid of dozens of your colleagues'. It's a negotiation and remuneration, (that is compensation for your time and efforts) typically for the greater good of society or for the benefits of shareholders is absolutely key particularly during a cost of living crisis where chief executives now earn 63 times more than the average worker in their organisation. A figure that has doubled in the past 12 months alone. Now is not the time to sit down and take your lot, now is the time to act.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Jun 27, 2022 19:55:30 GMT
I don't think a lot of people in the UK realise what a cesspit UK jobs can be. There was a popular Twitter thread from a rail platform guard (I think it was), who justified the strikes by (amongst other reasons) saying what a difficult job it is - the parts the public don't see - like maybe counselling someone who is suicidal or waiting for hours after their shift for the police to turn up. That shouldn't be part of her job, but it's far from the only job where people go above and beyond the remit they signed up for and/or where stress levels are off the scale for various reasons. I'm not saying that's right (it isn't), but a lot of folk seem stuck in their own bubble and don't appreciate what others in different (and often less well-paid) jobs have to put up with. Many public sector jobs are an absolute disgrace and that's even before talking about the NHS. I happen to know people who've worked for the Post Office, and they have had to put up with some terrible conditions, but I bet it's a better job than your average zero hours contract with DPD or another delivery company. Better working conditions are more important than pay, IMO, and I'm not sure what strikes for a pay increase are going to achieve. Most of these people won't be any happier unless the systemic issue with jobs in the UK is sorted, and that comes from the top. I've had bad jobs, but for years now have felt lucky to have a job with good employers who understand that work and life are separate things. Virtually every strike is about pay AND conditions. Usually as the two issues are deliberately conflated by bosses. ' OK you can have your 4% if you also do these four other things that make your working day more miserable'. Or 'you can have your 4% but we get rid of dozens of your colleagues'. It's a negotiation and remuneration, (that is compensation for your time and efforts) typically for the greater good of society or for the benefits of shareholders is absolutely key particularly during a cost of living crisis where chief executives now earn 63 times more than the average worker in their organisation. A figure that has doubled in the past 12 months alone. Now is not the time to sit down and take your lot, now is the time to act. True, but as I said - it's systemic. Many people don't have the 'luxury' of being able to strike.
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Post by thewonderstuff on Jun 27, 2022 20:12:17 GMT
Virtually every strike is about pay AND conditions. Usually as the two issues are deliberately conflated by bosses. ' OK you can have your 4% if you also do these four other things that make your working day more miserable'. Or 'you can have your 4% but we get rid of dozens of your colleagues'. It's a negotiation and remuneration, (that is compensation for your time and efforts) typically for the greater good of society or for the benefits of shareholders is absolutely key particularly during a cost of living crisis where chief executives now earn 63 times more than the average worker in their organisation. A figure that has doubled in the past 12 months alone. Now is not the time to sit down and take your lot, now is the time to act. True, but as I said - it's systemic. Many people don't have the 'luxury' of being able to strike. And therein lies the problem, even where we have sectors with strong, influential unions, the price to be paid is always more deregulation, lessening of workers rights and Government intervention putting a burden of democracy on workers withdrawing their Labour far greater than is required in any Parliament in the world. And two economically neo liberalist main parties with no interest in changing that.
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Post by stokiemac on Jun 27, 2022 20:17:08 GMT
And now we wait for the parade of MP's with tax havens, secret second jobs and friends in the city doing them favours to tell us that we need to be angry at our Posties. As far as I'm concerned the fault for every bit of disruption this strike causes lies at the Governments door
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jun 27, 2022 20:45:15 GMT
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Post by muggleton on Jun 27, 2022 21:03:16 GMT
I don't think a lot of people in the UK realise what a cesspit UK jobs can be. There was a popular Twitter thread from a rail platform guard (I think it was), who justified the strikes by (amongst other reasons) saying what a difficult job it is - the parts the public don't see - like maybe counselling someone who is suicidal or waiting for hours after their shift for the police to turn up. That shouldn't be part of her job, but it's far from the only job where people go above and beyond the remit they signed up for and/or where stress levels are off the scale for various reasons. I'm not saying that's right (it isn't), but a lot of folk seem stuck in their own bubble and don't appreciate what others in different (and often less well-paid) jobs have to put up with. Many public sector jobs are an absolute disgrace and that's even before talking about the NHS. I happen to know people who've worked for the Post Office, and they have had to put up with some terrible conditions, but I bet it's a better job than your average zero hours contract with DPD or another delivery company. Better working conditions are more important than pay, IMO, and I'm not sure what strikes for a pay increase are going to achieve. Most of these people won't be any happier unless the systemic issue with jobs in the UK is sorted, and that comes from the top. I've had bad jobs, but for years now have felt lucky to have a job with good employers who understand that work and life are separate things. Virtually every strike is about pay AND conditions. Usually as the two issues are deliberately conflated by bosses. ' OK you can have your 4% if you also do these four other things that make your working day more miserable'. Or 'you can have your 4% but we get rid of dozens of your colleagues'. It's a negotiation and remuneration, (that is compensation for your time and efforts) typically for the greater good of society or for the benefits of shareholders is absolutely key particularly during a cost of living crisis where chief executives now earn 63 times more than the average worker in their organisation. A figure that has doubled in the past 12 months alone. Now is not the time to sit down and take your lot, now is the time to act. This, and the very best of luck to them.
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Post by Orbs on Jun 27, 2022 21:05:45 GMT
I don't think a lot of people in the UK realise what a cesspit UK jobs can be. There was a popular Twitter thread from a rail platform guard (I think it was), who justified the strikes by (amongst other reasons) saying what a difficult job it is - the parts the public don't see - like maybe counselling someone who is suicidal or waiting for hours after their shift for the police to turn up. That shouldn't be part of her job, but it's far from the only job where people go above and beyond the remit they signed up for and/or where stress levels are off the scale for various reasons. I'm not saying that's right (it isn't), but a lot of folk seem stuck in their own bubble and don't appreciate what others in different (and often less well-paid) jobs have to put up with. Many public sector jobs are an absolute disgrace and that's even before talking about the NHS. I happen to know people who've worked for the Post Office, and they have had to put up with some terrible conditions, but I bet it's a better job than your average zero hours contract with DPD or another delivery company. Better working conditions are more important than pay, IMO, and I'm not sure what strikes for a pay increase are going to achieve. Most of these people won't be any happier unless the systemic issue with jobs in the UK is sorted, and that comes from the top. I've had bad jobs, but for years now have felt lucky to have a job with good employers who understand that work and life are separate things. Great post👍🏻 Pun intended?
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 27, 2022 21:27:27 GMT
Hasn’t it always been the case that the bosses get paid more? That’s the way life is otherwise what’s the point of people working hard to try to get promoted. Should a postman get paid the same amount as an area manager for example. There will always be indians and chiefs. I’m an indian by choice I don’t want the grief of being a manager as it’s just way too griefy. I’ve never been driven by money so it doesn’t bother me that my bosses get paid more than me as I’d rather have a home / life work balance that they don’t have because their job’s pretty much 24/7. They probably get 4-5 times more than me and frankly they’re welcome to it as I’m probably happier.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 27, 2022 21:39:47 GMT
You know me, I love an understated pun😉
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Post by muggleton on Jun 27, 2022 22:07:26 GMT
Hasn’t it always been the case that the bosses get paid more? That’s the way life is otherwise what’s the point of people working hard to try to get promoted. Should a postman get paid the same amount as an area manager for example. There will always be indians and chiefs. I’m an indian by choice I don’t want the grief of being a manager as it’s just way too griefy. I’ve never been driven by money so it doesn’t bother me that my bosses get paid more than me as I’d rather have a home / life work balance that they don’t have because their job’s pretty much 24/7. They probably get 4-5 times more than me and frankly they’re welcome to it as I’m probably happier. Any postie with your view would vote against strike action then, and if enough of their colleagues agreed there'd be no strike. That's generally how these things are decided.
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Post by Northy on Jun 28, 2022 7:50:07 GMT
Is the profit before shareholder pay outs or after ? What were the profits or losses over the last few years, are they balancing it up ? I know a few years ago they lost a lot by moving from IBM who failed to take up their systems properly and are having issues at the moment trying to get onto the Amazon cloud the last few years, are the profits going towards paying for that modernisation? Have they got to have a surplus to rightly compensate the wrongly jailed sub post masters ? It's easy for some to say they've made a profit give us some, but if they made a loss previously would they be offering some back into the pot from their own pockets ?
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Post by franklin on Jun 28, 2022 7:56:25 GMT
Does anyone still use post these days the only stuff my postie delivers is paper spam.
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Post by henry on Jun 28, 2022 8:01:56 GMT
Does anyone still use post these days the only stuff my postie delivers is paper spam. Hospital appointment letter & car tax reminders. Everything else goes straight in the bin.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jun 28, 2022 8:11:39 GMT
Hasn’t it always been the case that the bosses get paid more? That’s the way life is otherwise what’s the point of people working hard to try to get promoted. Should a postman get paid the same amount as an area manager for example. There will always be indians and chiefs. I’m an indian by choice I don’t want the grief of being a manager as it’s just way too griefy. I’ve never been driven by money so it doesn’t bother me that my bosses get paid more than me as I’d rather have a home / life work balance that they don’t have because their job’s pretty much 24/7. They probably get 4-5 times more than me and frankly they’re welcome to it as I’m probably happier. Do you really fail to understand why the call for strike action is becoming ever louder across the workforce of this country?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jun 28, 2022 8:34:25 GMT
Hasn’t it always been the case that the bosses get paid more? That’s the way life is otherwise what’s the point of people working hard to try to get promoted. Should a postman get paid the same amount as an area manager for example. There will always be indians and chiefs. I’m an indian by choice I don’t want the grief of being a manager as it’s just way too griefy. I’ve never been driven by money so it doesn’t bother me that my bosses get paid more than me as I’d rather have a home / life work balance that they don’t have because their job’s pretty much 24/7. They probably get 4-5 times more than me and frankly they’re welcome to it as I’m probably happier. i don't think many people would argue against senior management getting paid more, but that doesn't mean they should get bigger bonuses as a % of their salary or pay rises that aren't in line with the workforce, especially on the back of failure which often happens in both the public and private sector. That's not the argument here though........
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Post by thewonderstuff on Jun 28, 2022 8:40:34 GMT
Just a Government Minister here this morning gaslighting Public Sector workers.
You do have to conclude that this Government is positvely itching for strikes and is willing to goad workers into them.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 28, 2022 10:41:05 GMT
Hasn’t it always been the case that the bosses get paid more? That’s the way life is otherwise what’s the point of people working hard to try to get promoted. Should a postman get paid the same amount as an area manager for example. There will always be indians and chiefs. I’m an indian by choice I don’t want the grief of being a manager as it’s just way too griefy. I’ve never been driven by money so it doesn’t bother me that my bosses get paid more than me as I’d rather have a home / life work balance that they don’t have because their job’s pretty much 24/7. They probably get 4-5 times more than me and frankly they’re welcome to it as I’m probably happier. Do you really fail to understand why the call for strike action is becoming ever louder across the workforce of this country? It’s my opinion
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Post by AlliG on Jun 28, 2022 10:51:13 GMT
Hasn’t it always been the case that the bosses get paid more? That’s the way life is otherwise what’s the point of people working hard to try to get promoted. Should a postman get paid the same amount as an area manager for example. There will always be indians and chiefs. I’m an indian by choice I don’t want the grief of being a manager as it’s just way too griefy. I’ve never been driven by money so it doesn’t bother me that my bosses get paid more than me as I’d rather have a home / life work balance that they don’t have because their job’s pretty much 24/7. They probably get 4-5 times more than me and frankly they’re welcome to it as I’m probably happier. That is true to a point, but, the problem is that the gap has grown significantly. I worked nearly 40 years for a FTSE 100 Company. Back when I earned about £5k a year, the CEO had a basic salary of £100k and the Company made about £500m profit. When I retired the equivalent salary for someone doing the £5k a year job was about £30k but the CEO's basic salary had increased to over £4m and the Company still made around £500m profit. So over the period the basic employee's salary had gone up by about 6 times whereas the CEO's salary had increased by about 40 times. The complaint is not so much that the bosses get paid more, it is that none of the arguments used to restrict employee's pay appear to apply to the bosses.
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