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Post by hyaduck on Jun 27, 2022 4:26:27 GMT
It’s depressing reading this, F##k him off if we want get outta this league. O’Neill OUT!!!!!
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Jun 27, 2022 4:54:51 GMT
No matter who is in charge, I always look forward to the season with optimism.
Just cast your mind back to the start of 2007-2008 we had a threadbare squad, a very unpopular be-capped manager and to make up the numbers just signed a gawky kid on loan from Manchester United to play the key centre half position. Going to Cardiff that opening day was going to be a cricket score against us. That was my least half full pre-season day and look what happened.
The rest is history, so please don’t start making ridiculous predications based on bias and prejudice because WE ARE STOKE!!
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Post by Block 26 on Jun 27, 2022 5:25:56 GMT
No matter who is in charge, I always look forward to the season with optimism. Just cast your mind back to the start of 2007-2008 we had a threadbare squad, a very unpopular be-capped manager and to make up the numbers just signed a gawky kid on loan from Manchester United to play the key centre half position. Going to Cardiff that opening day was going to be a cricket score against us. That was my least half full pre-season day and look what happened. The rest is history, so please don’t start making ridiculous predications based on bias and prejudice because WE ARE STOKE!! What a season that was! The difference between now & then is that Pulis knew how to win a football match whereas O’Neil has proved for 2 seasons now that he is tactically inept.
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Post by svengaliinplatforms on Jun 27, 2022 6:13:34 GMT
I'd probably take 8th, if we'd genuinely troubled the Play Offs for a chunk of the season - not 8th like last season's Blackburn (or, use Millwall as they finished on the same points) - who never really looked like they were genuine contenders.
A decent pop at the top 6 would be acceptable progress. We could then think about getting a more progressive manager and, use it to build from.
If we're below mid-table by the end of November, then Big John needs to get on Indeed.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2022 6:46:41 GMT
Top 6. This is MON's last season to get us in the promotion mix, if it goes the same way as last season then its time to part company.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2022 6:56:55 GMT
One thing is for sure, our supporters have been patient long enough now.
If the football is just as dire as the second half of last season, he'll be gone by Christmas.
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Post by clarkeda on Jun 27, 2022 7:29:37 GMT
We need to be in easy striking distance of top 6 at Christmas otherwise time to go.
Anything lower then 10th come the end of the season time to go too.
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Post by stokie1947 on Jun 27, 2022 7:47:39 GMT
agree if we are not in a challenging position by the time the world cup comes he must go
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Post by shrewspotter on Jun 27, 2022 7:50:15 GMT
Ill go for 10th
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Post by stokiejoe on Jun 27, 2022 8:45:52 GMT
14th but building for the following season or the one after that or ........
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Post by femark on Jun 27, 2022 10:06:16 GMT
No matter who is in charge, I always look forward to the season with optimism. Just cast your mind back to the start of 2007-2008 we had a threadbare squad, a very unpopular be-capped manager and to make up the numbers just signed a gawky kid on loan from Manchester United to play the key centre half position. Going to Cardiff that opening day was going to be a cricket score against us. That was my least half full pre-season day and look what happened. The rest is history, so please don’t start making ridiculous predications based on bias and prejudice because WE ARE STOKE!! What a season that was! The difference between now & then is that Pulis knew how to win a football match whereas O’Neil has proved for 2 seasons now that he is tactically inept. Not really true though is it? We'd been thoroughly mid table under Pulis during his previous term. Finished 8th in his first season back.
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Post by lordb on Jun 27, 2022 10:16:35 GMT
agree if we are not in a challenging position by the time the world cup comes he must go That's the obvious time 4 week break, great time for new manager to work with the squad then xmas games then January window If Stoke are challenging top 6 at that point presume unlikely he will get sack then & he will get the whole season If we fall away again second half of the season like we have last two seasons he doesn't get his contract renewed & we get a new manager May/June 2023 If he proves everyone wrong & we go up then he gets a new deal & we all eat humble pie If we finish play offs but lose in that he probably gets a new contract if we finish within touching distance > 3 or 4 points off playoffs I think there might be a row anything deemed not challenging & it's impossible to keep majority happy
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Jun 27, 2022 10:19:52 GMT
Difficult to say yet, but my heart is saying 16th..... I just hope we're not that bad to flirt around the relegation end!!!
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Post by wrighter on Jun 27, 2022 10:25:13 GMT
top 6
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Post by StokieSC on Jun 27, 2022 11:00:59 GMT
Top half
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Post by mowlee on Jun 27, 2022 19:02:39 GMT
I can’t see anything other than the same as the last 2 an a half seasons with mon.. maybe could sneak into the play offs with a big target man!!
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Post by samba :) on Jun 27, 2022 21:58:28 GMT
Bottom 6 if the next month isn’t fantastic
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Post by hyaduck on Jun 28, 2022 3:24:03 GMT
SOME VERY DELUDED PEOPLE ON HERE!!!!!!
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Post by wuzza on Jun 28, 2022 4:52:47 GMT
Looking at the predicted line-ups on other threads has depressed me a bit. The stark reality of how mediocre our squad has become really hits home and the prospect of a few more freebies and loans doesn’t raise the mood much. Set against this is the fact that virtually every other club in the league is fairly talentless too (but generally have more spirit and better organisation than we do). I’m going for anywhere between 10th and 18th with angst and grumpiness all round (again).
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Jun 28, 2022 4:55:40 GMT
No matter who is in charge, I always look forward to the season with optimism. Just cast your mind back to the start of 2007-2008 we had a threadbare squad, a very unpopular be-capped manager and to make up the numbers just signed a gawky kid on loan from Manchester United to play the key centre half position. Going to Cardiff that opening day was going to be a cricket score against us. That was my least half full pre-season day and look what happened. The rest is history, so please don’t start making ridiculous predications based on bias and prejudice because WE ARE STOKE!! What a season that was! The difference between now & then is that Pulis knew how to win a football match whereas O’Neil has proved for 2 seasons now that he is tactically inept. By winning football matches, do you mean these stats:- Tony Pulis overall win ratio 36.06% As Stoke City manager 36.64% Michael O’Neill overall win ratio 44.73% As Stoke City manager 39.42% Even accepting that Pulis managed at much higher level most of the time, he’s hardly in Pep or Jurgan’s class for winning football matches is he?
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Post by peekay67 on Jun 28, 2022 7:05:20 GMT
I always think we will finish top at the start of season. By Christmas i approach reality.
Seriously, top six would be nice. Happy with transfer business so far.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 28, 2022 7:35:43 GMT
With the team as is midtable but you can’t really judge until the window is shut. We still need 3/4 starters ideally.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Jun 28, 2022 7:45:19 GMT
14th.
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Post by adamsson on Jun 28, 2022 10:47:20 GMT
If Powell, Campbell and Soutar are fit and have a good season top six.
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Post by spiderpuss on Jun 28, 2022 11:59:12 GMT
Hopefully not 22, 23 or 24th. Can't really envisage much with what we've currently got.
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Post by jokker on Jun 28, 2022 16:24:00 GMT
We've improved so much over the last four years, 16-13th, that we may have to accept stepping back a little.
21st is as far as we can expect.
This can also be explained by the newcomers coming in. O'Neill doesn't have a great record of signing top quality, so some of the newcomers will have to be given time to settle, when he realises that most of them aren't that good, he may have to follow suit from last season, which means several of those signed could be on their way out of the club by January or the end of next/this season. With a squad that needs settling in throughout the season major improvement is unlikely.
As for O'Neill, he's got the most secure job in football. Unless we hover around 24th all season, he is unsackable.
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Post by thevoid on Jun 28, 2022 16:54:31 GMT
We've improved so much over the last four years, 16-13th, that we may have to accept stepping back a little. 21st is as far as we can expect. This can also be explained by the newcomers coming in. O'Neill doesn't have a great record of signing top quality, so some of the newcomers will have to be given time to settle, when he realises that most of them aren't that good, he may have to follow suit from last season, which means several of those signed could be on their way out of the club by January or the end of next/this season. With a squad that needs settling in throughout the season major improvement is unlikely. As for O'Neill, he's got the most secure job in football. Unless we hover around 24th all season, he is unsackable. 'As for O'Neill, he's got the most secure job in football. Unless we hover around 24th all season, he is unsackable.' Utter bollocks as usual
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Post by jokker on Jun 28, 2022 16:58:49 GMT
We've improved so much over the last four years, 16-13th, that we may have to accept stepping back a little. 21st is as far as we can expect. This can also be explained by the newcomers coming in. O'Neill doesn't have a great record of signing top quality, so some of the newcomers will have to be given time to settle, when he realises that most of them aren't that good, he may have to follow suit from last season, which means several of those signed could be on their way out of the club by January or the end of next/this season. With a squad that needs settling in throughout the season major improvement is unlikely. As for O'Neill, he's got the most secure job in football. Unless we hover around 24th all season, he is unsackable. 'As for O'Neill, he's got the most secure job in football. Unless we hover around 24th all season, he is unsackable.' Utter bollocks as usual What happened last season, voidy? All your hopes for the manager to get gone were void, whereas I was right all along. And you keep promising to block me, but you still keep commenting on my posts. Better luck this next season!
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Post by stokeyank on Jun 28, 2022 19:24:52 GMT
Probably 11th
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Post by thevoid on Jun 29, 2022 9:28:01 GMT
'As for O'Neill, he's got the most secure job in football. Unless we hover around 24th all season, he is unsackable.' Utter bollocks as usual What happened last season, voidy? All your hopes for the manager to get gone were void, whereas I was right all along. And you keep promising to block me, but you still keep commenting on my posts. Better luck this next season! Joker: I have blocked you and it is, by and large, liberating. But I can 'lift up the stone' from time to time to confirm that you do continue to post bollocks- especially the bit about MON's job being secure if we hovered around the relegation slots all season. Oh and it's the first time I've commented on one of your posts for weeks, so less of the 'keep commenting' 😎
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