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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 24, 2022 7:41:03 GMT
Surely his main goal is to be fit for the World Cup?
It’d be mine if I was him anyway.
Try and get 5/6 games in before the World Cup and have a good mix of fitness and freshness for it.
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Post by potterburt on Jun 24, 2022 7:47:16 GMT
Surely his main goal is to be fit for the World Cup? It’d be mine if I was him anyway. Try and get 5/6 games in before the World Cup and have a good mix of fitness and freshness for it. Which can be bit of a concern, players in similar situs to Harry have been known to play rather tentatively for club coming back from injury with major tournament so close. If he’s back in the first team around September, it’s almost like he’ll be with us for his equivalent of preseason friendlies. |
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Post by werrington on Jun 24, 2022 7:50:05 GMT
Stoke handled it superbly in his recovery mate, stepping it back, slowing it down 20 mins then 30 mins then 45 mins and so on and completely pulling him out of games at times Players have to build fitness up in a match situation and that’s what Campbell did and it will be the same with Souttar When he’s ready he’ll be in the team and not before 👍 Campbell wasn't ready for first team football - for the most part his performances didn't merit a place in the side. You are right it was handled well in terms of minutes on the pitch but those minutes should have been in the U23s. I hope we don't make the same mistake with Souttar and he only gets back when he's fully fit and he plays on merit rather than as part of his rehabilitation. I'd rather him play a few games towards the end of the season than have him back before Xmas - unless he is genuinely ready. I’m sure he was in the u23s building up his minutes but I could be wrong? 🤷♂️ |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 24, 2022 8:17:00 GMT
Campbell wasn't ready for first team football - for the most part his performances didn't merit a place in the side. You are right it was handled well in terms of minutes on the pitch but those minutes should have been in the U23s. I hope we don't make the same mistake with Souttar and he only gets back when he's fully fit and he plays on merit rather than as part of his rehabilitation. I'd rather him play a few games towards the end of the season than have him back before Xmas - unless he is genuinely ready. I’m sure he was in the u23s building up his minutes but I could be wrong? 🤷♂️ He did play some U23s but not many before he was brought back into first team and I really didn't think it did him or the team any favours. He showed glimpses but games seemed to pass him by. Not his fault and no surprise given his injury but I really think more of his rehabilitation should have been done in the U23s. |
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jun 24, 2022 8:19:29 GMT
Harry won't want to miss the World Cup don't forget.
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Post by a on Jun 24, 2022 8:26:28 GMT
The club will have already considered this and will ensure we have sufficient depth to enable us to push for promotion. Don’t worry guys the manager knows what he’s doing.
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Post by hardcastle on Jun 24, 2022 9:48:16 GMT
That's not the line they've been towing all summer!! Toe. It's a fishing reference, isn't it? |
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Post by lordb on Jun 24, 2022 9:52:02 GMT
Surely his main goal is to be fit for the World Cup? It’d be mine if I was him anyway. Try and get 5/6 games in before the World Cup and have a good mix of fitness and freshness for it. It sure will We have 7 games in October alone Would imagine he'll be back September |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2022 14:06:35 GMT
Harry won't want to miss the World Cup don't forget. You're right he won't. His knee won't give a fuck what he wants though unfortunately. |
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Post by davethebass on Jun 24, 2022 16:59:15 GMT
Good for inflammation...but... then again, I wouldn't know about that... Edgar Davids had it on prescription for glaucoma |
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Post by clarkeda on Jun 24, 2022 19:27:22 GMT
I think flint signing is actually quite astute when you take this into context.
Souttar isn’t going to be read for the start of the season = we needed flint as cover minimum.
Jags is only contracted until new year, by which time harry will be returning from the WC and we’ll need cover for the jags department
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Post by meirparkpotter on Jun 25, 2022 10:15:04 GMT
Apparently those coming back before 9 months are more likely to injure the knee again,I think O'Neil eluded to this when he said he wouldn't be rushed back. Think whether it’s a full / partial tear makes a big difference too + any surrounding ligament / cartilage damage. Guess the Flint signing makes more sense now - if Souttar isn’t able to do a full pre season it’s going to take him a while to get up to speed, plus we’ll lose him for the World Cup. Knowing our luck, H will be fit again for the World Cup then get injured again in said tournament |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2022 10:38:36 GMT
Think whether it’s a full / partial tear makes a big difference too + any surrounding ligament / cartilage damage. Guess the Flint signing makes more sense now - if Souttar isn’t able to do a full pre season it’s going to take him a while to get up to speed, plus we’ll lose him for the World Cup. Knowing our luck, H will be fit again for the World Cup then get injured again in said tournament Yes probably do is other ACL. Hasn't his brother done both? |
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Post by Championship Potter on Jun 25, 2022 11:34:45 GMT
Think whether it’s a full / partial tear makes a big difference too + any surrounding ligament / cartilage damage. Guess the Flint signing makes more sense now - if Souttar isn’t able to do a full pre season it’s going to take him a while to get up to speed, plus we’ll lose him for the World Cup. Knowing our luck, H will be fit again for the World Cup then get injured again in said tournament Do think it was a bad career move for him deciding to play for Australia. As much as he must love it it’s a lot of travel for a player with Premier League aspirations, and he might well have avoided his ACL without all the travel and extra games. He’d be starting for Scotland surely if he’d chosen to pay for them. |
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Jun 25, 2022 11:50:05 GMT
Even that is optimistic to expect him to be back up to full speed. These injuries are the worst injury a footballer can get, there are no guarantees when he will be back up to the standards he was at before it. I fear it will be this time next year before he is confident in the knee. That’s just scaremongering based on what? |
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Post by bunnyscfc on Jun 25, 2022 12:18:28 GMT
I interviewed Harry last week. Don't want to give too much away, but you don't rush back after an ACL or you have a 70% chance of doing the other one. He had a slight setback with a bruised bone, but he's back training but won't be fit until "hopefully around the end of August". I reckon it will be more likely be another month from that, but he's our best player, our min saleable asset, and he has to come back as fit as possible.
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Post by theonlooker on Jun 25, 2022 12:28:15 GMT
The club will want him fit for the World Cup above and beyond anything else. A good tournament there and it's straight into the January window...
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 6, 2022 10:32:39 GMT
Back doing some kind of training in Ireland
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 7, 2022 15:59:26 GMT
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Jul 7, 2022 16:01:28 GMT
I guess he will be hoping to be at the World Cup
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Post by biglad180 on Jul 7, 2022 16:04:10 GMT
That's 2 of our big players missing the start of the season again.it could only happen to us.
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Post by foxysgloves on Jul 7, 2022 17:58:15 GMT
That's 2 of our big players missing the start of the season again.it could only happen to us. No worries. We can just blame MON. |
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Post by march4 on Jul 7, 2022 17:59:43 GMT
I don’t think he will be back to a confident state of mind in his fitness for another 12 months.
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Post by windows1 on Jul 7, 2022 18:01:15 GMT
I don’t think he will be back to a confident state of mind in his fitness for another 12 months. Like bojan then..... |
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Post by raythesailor on Jul 7, 2022 18:02:15 GMT
How do Stoke fans feel about Harry being selected for and playing in the World Cup ?
Ironically his predicted time of return coincides with the start of this competition in November.
Personally I feel somewhat uneasy about a potential situation where a Australian National coach could choose to play our player whilst our own coaching staff may be far more cautious and protective.
Harry is a very valuable asset not only in monetary terms, but also in the influence he could have in our coming seasons aspirations.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2022 18:24:49 GMT
How do Stoke fans feel about Harry being selected for and playing in the World Cup ? Ironically his predicted time of return coincides with the start of this competition in November. Personally I feel somewhat uneasy about a potential situation where a Australian National coach could choose to play our player whilst our own coaching staff may be far more cautious and protective. Harry is a very valuable asset not only in monetary terms, but also in the influence he could have in our coming seasons aspirations. Agreed but can't blame the guy, how many might he get a chance to play at? Good luck to him! |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 7, 2022 19:20:24 GMT
How do Stoke fans feel about Harry being selected for and playing in the World Cup ? Ironically his predicted time of return coincides with the start of this competition in November. Personally I feel somewhat uneasy about a potential situation where a Australian National coach could choose to play our player whilst our own coaching staff may be far more cautious and protective. Harry is a very valuable asset not only in monetary terms, but also in the influence he could have in our coming seasons aspirations. I’d be the same. The World Cup is the one for him this season to start with. I can’t believe anyone who puts themselves in his shoes wouldn’t see that. |
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Post by nonameface on Jul 7, 2022 19:44:52 GMT
How do Stoke fans feel about Harry being selected for and playing in the World Cup ? Ironically his predicted time of return coincides with the start of this competition in November. Personally I feel somewhat uneasy about a potential situation where a Australian National coach could choose to play our player whilst our own coaching staff may be far more cautious and protective. Harry is a very valuable asset not only in monetary terms, but also in the influence he could have in our coming seasons aspirations. I’d be the same. The World Cup is the one for him this season to start with. I can’t believe anyone who puts themselves in his shoes wouldn’t see that. Not only that, if he is fit for it, has a good tournament he could be sold in the January window for some good peas. Would be gutting, but assuming injuries hasnt destroyed him, he's destined for the premier league. |
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Post by insideright on Jul 7, 2022 21:25:37 GMT
I can't believe any international manager is going to pick a 23yo player who hasn't played for 16 months to play in the world Cup. So if he's played for 2 months before that it's not an issue, right?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 7, 2022 21:33:45 GMT
I can't believe any international manager is going to pick a 23yo player who hasn't played for 16 months to play in the world Cup. So if he's played for 2 months before that it's not an issue, right? He's about their best player isn't he? And if he's back in 2 months, that's 7th September. Plenty of time to be fit for the World Cup. 3 months is October - still lots of time. The World Cup has to be his priority. |
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