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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jun 22, 2022 11:45:47 GMT
I'll go for Baker.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 22, 2022 11:47:20 GMT
Souttar maybe?
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Post by Timmy on Jun 22, 2022 11:50:12 GMT
Joe Allen
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Post by mr on Jun 22, 2022 11:50:26 GMT
Baker
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Post by cvillestokie on Jun 22, 2022 12:00:36 GMT
Probably Baker, as a gesture of good faith.
However, it’s a meaningless title nowadays.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 22, 2022 12:02:26 GMT
Don't think that would help the player at this time. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 22, 2022 12:03:58 GMT
Don't think that would help the player at this time. I think it's just a piece of fabric to be honest. Ryan was fine when he got it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2022 12:06:46 GMT
Personally, I'd give it to Butcher, Baker, or the Candlestick maker.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 22, 2022 12:07:05 GMT
Probably Baker, as a gesture of good faith. However, it’s a meaningless title nowadays. Why? whether you put a title on it or not most groups will form a hierarcy. Don't know why they let the manager bestow it because if his choice ignores the hierachy of the group the leader/s will still lead. |
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 22, 2022 12:09:32 GMT
Don't think that would help the player at this time. I think it's just a piece of fabric to be honest. Ryan was fine when he got it. He wasn't even the leader of the defence never mind the team for seasons after he got the captaincy. |
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Post by LGH87 on Jun 22, 2022 12:14:30 GMT
Baker with Jags or Soutts as Vice would be my guess.
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Post by kustokie on Jun 22, 2022 12:16:21 GMT
Allen if he’s retained or Souttar.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 22, 2022 12:27:59 GMT
I think it's just a piece of fabric to be honest. Ryan was fine when he got it. He wasn't even the leader of the defence never mind the team for seasons after he got the captaincy. He was as much as anybody and it was never clearer than those first two Hughes seasons just how much he was doing in that regard. Not every captain needs to be a John Terry type, demonstrably clapping his hands vigorously and showing vein-bulging, sinewy pashun every time there's a camera on him. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 22, 2022 12:31:07 GMT
Flint
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Post by cvillestokie on Jun 22, 2022 12:35:32 GMT
Probably Baker, as a gesture of good faith. However, it’s a meaningless title nowadays. Why? whether you put a title on it or not most groups will form a hierarcy. Don't know why they let the manager bestow it because if his choice ignores the hierachy of the group the leader/s will still lead. Well, what function does a modern day captain perform? Didn’t it used to be that they acted as a go between for the player and the manager? From many reports I’ve heard, including Shawcross, they do little more than organize a party. |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jun 22, 2022 12:36:25 GMT
Wasn't there a Pirate, Captain Flint? |
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Post by monkeycat on Jun 22, 2022 12:36:26 GMT
Baker
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 22, 2022 12:39:02 GMT
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 22, 2022 12:49:36 GMT
He wasn't even the leader of the defence never mind the team for seasons after he got the captaincy. He was as much as anybody and it was never clearer than those first two Hughes seasons just how much he was doing in that regard. Not every captain needs to be a John Terry type, demonstrably clapping his hands vigorously and showing vein-bulging, sinewy pashun every time there's a camera on him. That's ignoring the first few seasons of him being captain when quite arguably he wasn't even the dominant partner between the centre backs. |
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 22, 2022 12:52:13 GMT
Why? whether you put a title on it or not most groups will form a hierarcy. Don't know why they let the manager bestow it because if his choice ignores the hierachy of the group the leader/s will still lead. Well, what function does a modern day captain perform? Didn’t it used to be that they acted as a go between for the player and the manager? From many reports I’ve heard, including Shawcross, they do little more than organize a party. It's not a matter of what function they perform to my mind it's more a matter of something you can't stop happening. Social creatures form a hierachy done right it's just formalising something that's going to happen anyway. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 22, 2022 12:54:54 GMT
He was as much as anybody and it was never clearer than those first two Hughes seasons just how much he was doing in that regard. Not every captain needs to be a John Terry type, demonstrably clapping his hands vigorously and showing vein-bulging, sinewy pashun every time there's a camera on him. That's ignoring the first few seasons of him being captain when quite arguably he wasn't even the dominant partner between the centre backs. Just because there were other vocal players in the team at the time doesn't mean he wasn't a good captain, he did fine. The point you're making is precisely why the armband doesn't really matter - you'll always have a hierarchy and natural leaders in a group, which negates the ceremonial bestowing of a bit of cloth on one of them. |
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 22, 2022 13:00:40 GMT
That's ignoring the first few seasons of him being captain when quite arguably he wasn't even the dominant partner between the centre backs. Just because there were other vocal players in the team at the time doesn't mean he wasn't a good captain, he did fine. The point you're making is precisely why the armband doesn't really matter - you'll always have a hierarchy and natural leaders in a group, which negates the ceremonial bestowing of a bit of cloth on one of them. Yeah like I say, done right it's just the manager giving consent to something that's going to happen anyway. |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jun 22, 2022 13:04:42 GMT
I think Baker would make by far the best captain. But, if Allen stays, I suspect he will keep the job.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jun 22, 2022 13:17:01 GMT
It's the thing we've lacked for years.
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Post by lordb on Jun 22, 2022 16:19:17 GMT
Jags
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 22, 2022 16:31:07 GMT
I think centre halves generally make better Captains. Not sure it’s for Souttar so maybe Jagielka although I can’t see him playing loads of games, Flint perhaps?
I guess if Allen does end up staying it’ll be him😫
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Jun 22, 2022 18:02:27 GMT
Personally, I'd give it to Butcher, Baker, or the Candlestick maker. Butcher would be Terryfying. |
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Post by s7oke on Jun 22, 2022 19:29:57 GMT
Baker
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Post by loosestools on Jun 22, 2022 19:43:47 GMT
Jags for me, he can see everything from his playing position, he has a an excellent pedigree and Im sure that others respect him. A consummate professional.
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