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Post by chiswickpotter on Jun 21, 2022 8:02:18 GMT
They have never run the club brilliantly. What they have been really good at is putting money into the club. The way they actually run the club is decades out of date. Imagine the lasting legacy we could have made in the Prem with their megabucks and a more prudent, progressive approach. No reason at all we couldn't be there now, firmly established as one of the 7-8-9 teams, pushing for Europe every year and troubling the cups. What a massive waste. Ah well maybe we can have another go one day... I don’t understand what prudent has to do with it? At no point were we ever close to overspending in the PL, we were always well within FFP limits. If anything, we underspent in the middle years of our PL time and didn’t have the depth when Arnie left after Bojan’s injury.
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Post by liathroid on Jun 21, 2022 8:05:32 GMT
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 21, 2022 9:09:36 GMT
Imagine the lasting legacy we could have made in the Prem with their megabucks and a more prudent, progressive approach. No reason at all we couldn't be there now, firmly established as one of the 7-8-9 teams, pushing for Europe every year and troubling the cups. What a massive waste. Ah well maybe we can have another go one day... I don’t understand what prudent has to do with it? At no point were we ever close to overspending in the PL, we were always well within FFP limits. If anything, we underspent in the middle years of our PL time and didn’t have the depth when Arnie left after Bojan’s injury. No net spend the Summer before relegation say all you need to know.
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Post by followyoudown on Jun 21, 2022 10:21:36 GMT
He's still banging on about Stoke I see, when you look at the conditions Reading are operating under it does seem we have got through it relatively unscathed, the EFL obviously ignored his letter perhaps he shouldn't have used Crayon
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Post by gawa on Jun 21, 2022 10:58:59 GMT
Someone saying there that the wage bill is rumoured to be 27 million. Some going if true, that would be the wage bill halved.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 21, 2022 11:14:21 GMT
Someone saying there that the wage bill is rumoured to be 27 million. Some going if true, that would be the wage bill halved. I'm guessing the latest accounts analysed here still have the likes of Wimmer, Ince, Batth, Badou etc still in the wages? So halving it shouldn't be that hard tbh.
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Post by mtrstudent on Jun 21, 2022 17:43:29 GMT
Someone saying there that the wage bill is rumoured to be 27 million. Some going if true, that would be the wage bill halved. I'm guessing the latest accounts analysed here still have the likes of Wimmer, Ince, Batth, Badou etc still in the wages? So halving it shouldn't be that hard tbh. Yeah they're 2020/2021. Rough bullshit guesses for last season: we lost £18m in parachute but gained £4m in tickets. So standard income around £26m? Sturridge net -£0.3m and Wilmot -£0.5m (I think it's spread over 3 years?). Collins sale makes transfer fees +£10m? Depending on how they spread it out. So I think maybe we didn't fuck up? Who knows though. Not a lot of space if that's true.
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Post by Billy the kid on Jun 21, 2022 18:13:33 GMT
I'm guessing the latest accounts analysed here still have the likes of Wimmer, Ince, Batth, Badou etc still in the wages? So halving it shouldn't be that hard tbh. Yeah they're 2020/2021. Rough bullshit guesses for last season: we lost £18m in parachute but gained £4m in tickets. So standard income around £26m? Sturridge net -£0.3m and Wilmot -£0.5m (I think it's spread over 3 years?). Collins sale makes transfer fees +£10m? Depending on how they spread it out. So I think maybe we didn't fuck up? Who knows though. Not a lot of space if that's true. Don't forget the drop in wages as well, agreed still looks very tight.
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Post by mtrstudent on Jun 21, 2022 19:09:15 GMT
Yeah they're 2020/2021. Rough bullshit guesses for last season: we lost £18m in parachute but gained £4m in tickets. So standard income around £26m? Sturridge net -£0.3m and Wilmot -£0.5m (I think it's spread over 3 years?). Collins sale makes transfer fees +£10m? Depending on how they spread it out. So I think maybe we didn't fuck up? Who knows though. Not a lot of space if that's true. Don't forget the drop in wages as well, agreed still looks very tight. If £27m wages is true then you'd think we're on course to do alright?
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Post by Billy the kid on Jun 21, 2022 19:14:41 GMT
Don't forget the drop in wages as well, agreed still looks very tight. If £27m wages is true then you'd think we're on course to do alright? Depends on what the new guys cost and the loan fees I suppose, but you can see how tight it is.
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Post by gawa on Jun 21, 2022 19:21:34 GMT
This should make good reading for hyaduck anyway and hopefully make him feel a bit more relaxed and reassured. Now he can see in black and white that the club most certainly aren’t giving or trusting MON with money and instead his objective has been to reduce expenditure significantly season on season. So hopefully this puts to bed your worries about “trusting the manager with money”.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 21, 2022 19:44:43 GMT
This should make good reading for hyaduck anyway and hopefully make him feel a bit more relaxed and reassured. Now he can see in black and white that the club most certainly aren’t giving or trusting MON with money and instead his objective has been to reduce expenditure significantly season on season. So hopefully this puts to bed your worries about “trusting the manager with money”. Fookin good job everytime he buys something he decides he doesn't want it 5 minutes later.
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Post by gawa on Jun 21, 2022 19:59:56 GMT
This should make good reading for hyaduck anyway and hopefully make him feel a bit more relaxed and reassured. Now he can see in black and white that the club most certainly aren’t giving or trusting MON with money and instead his objective has been to reduce expenditure significantly season on season. So hopefully this puts to bed your worries about “trusting the manager with money”. Fookin good job everytime he buys something he decides he doesn't want it 5 minutes later. Good! Rather than than buying players at inflated prices and on mad wages that aren’t even fit to wear the shirt. And we’re still paying for those decisions today. There’s a big difference between losing a few hundred grand on Surridge and losing millions on the likes of afobe before wages are even taken into account. It would take at least another 30 sam surridge mistakes to equal the losses of one afobe.
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Post by gawa on Jun 21, 2022 20:06:20 GMT
I get why a lot of fans are fed up with the manager and don’t have faith in him. Whether it be transfers, formations, tactics or player management; I understand and I’m not trying to convince anyone otherwise.
But how can anyone read those tweets and still come out with phrases like “can’t be trusted with money”. The finances are staring you in the face and the manager and the board deserve credit for the turnaround.
For me the manager deserves it more simply because the board are just as accountable for getting us in this position. So for what it’s worth, if there was anyone at Stoke over the last 5 years that I would trust with money, it would probably be Michael O’Neil.
For stuff on the pitch he does deserve the criticism he receives at times. But when it comes to finances, like it or not, he’s done a very good job.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 21, 2022 20:19:28 GMT
I get why a lot of fans are fed up with the manager and don’t have faith in him. Whether it be transfers, formations, tactics or player management; I understand and I’m not trying to convince anyone otherwise. But how can anyone read those tweets and still come out with phrases like “can’t be trusted with money”. The finances are staring you in the face and the manager and the board deserve credit for the turnaround. For me the manager deserves it more simply because the board are just as accountable for getting us in this position. So for what it’s worth, if there was anyone at Stoke over the last 5 years that I would trust with money, it would probably be Michael O’Neil. For stuff on the pitch he does deserve the criticism he receives at times. But when it comes to finances, like it or not, he’s done a very good job. But it’s part of the job and we basically sold Collins to fund getting rid of people. I don’t think it’s the act of a bunch of genius’.
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Post by mtrstudent on Jun 21, 2022 20:50:27 GMT
I like that MON gambled on Surridge, Wilmot and maybe even Doughty.
Just ffs our owners are bet365 and they should be able to moneyball the shit out of this.
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Post by Billy the kid on Jun 21, 2022 21:24:06 GMT
I like that MON gambled on Surridge, Wilmot and maybe even Doughty. Just ffs our owners are bet365 and they should be able to moneyball the shit out of this. THE MOST FRUSTRAIN THING! you would expect bet365 to have the most reliable data going, they really should be able to find players vastly under rated/valued as part of the course, running one of the biggest sports betting companies in the world.
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Post by PotterLog on Jun 22, 2022 15:26:28 GMT
Imagine the lasting legacy we could have made in the Prem with their megabucks and a more prudent, progressive approach. No reason at all we couldn't be there now, firmly established as one of the 7-8-9 teams, pushing for Europe every year and troubling the cups. What a massive waste. Ah well maybe we can have another go one day... I don’t understand what prudent has to do with it? At no point were we ever close to overspending in the PL, we were always well within FFP limits. If anything, we underspent in the middle years of our PL time and didn’t have the depth when Arnie left after Bojan’s injury. As I explained in a subsequent post, by prudent I didn't mean spending less, I just meant "sensible", as in being more careful about doing homework on players and contracts etc to avoid Jese, Imbula, Wimmer etc.
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Post by a on Jun 22, 2022 16:08:55 GMT
I don’t understand what prudent has to do with it? At no point were we ever close to overspending in the PL, we were always well within FFP limits. If anything, we underspent in the middle years of our PL time and didn’t have the depth when Arnie left after Bojan’s injury. No net spend the Summer before relegation say all you need to know. Absolutely. Big glaring issues not addressed. If anything made worse by selling Arnie and replacing him with shit
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 22, 2022 16:48:49 GMT
No net spend the Summer before relegation say all you need to know. Absolutely. Big glaring issues not addressed. If anything made worse by selling Arnie and replacing him with shit Any premier league team that wants to remain one should be able to find a net transfer budget in the closed season. Stank of complacency.
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