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Post by lordb on Jun 17, 2022 6:31:35 GMT
So Reading had Laurent, Rinomhota and Swift but were in a relegation battle all season?.. the rest of their side must've been made up of pub players then judging by how good you lot think their midfield is/was. For me Reading were the biggest underachieving side last season, better players than Luton They did have a really small squad though
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 17, 2022 6:32:53 GMT
So Reading had Laurent, Rinomhota and Swift but were in a relegation battle all season?.. the rest of their side must've been made up of pub players then judging by how good you lot think their midfield is/was. For me Reading were the biggest underachieving side last season, better players than Luton They did have a really small squad though You mean vertically challenged?
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 17, 2022 6:33:42 GMT
Reading local reporter and fans discuss it here
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Post by theonlooker on Jun 17, 2022 6:50:24 GMT
Reading local reporter and fans discuss it here LMAO You can just feel the saltiness dripping through. "No disrespect to Stoke, but it's a while since they've been a powerhouse". As opposed to Reading, who can only dream of being one.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 17, 2022 7:08:52 GMT
The local journo also said he thought there was more in the Bristol City link to Rinomhota than the Stoke link.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Jun 17, 2022 7:13:31 GMT
Perfectly nice bunch of fans with reasoned opinions.
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Post by liathroid on Jun 17, 2022 7:13:36 GMT
Reading local reporter and fans discuss it here When are we going to start " The Oatcake Kangaroo FC Transfer Show " feel free to enter your 4 presenters
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Post by scfcno1fan on Jun 17, 2022 7:22:04 GMT
The local journo also said he thought there was more in the Bristol City link to Rinomhota than the Stoke link. Yeah I can’t imagine us signing both.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 17, 2022 7:41:31 GMT
The local journo also said he thought there was more in the Bristol City link to Rinomhota than the Stoke link. Yeah I can’t imagine us signing both. Why not is one lot of energy and physicality all we can take. I mean you don’t take one paracetamol or ibuprofen.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 17, 2022 7:47:35 GMT
Yeah I can’t imagine us signing both. Why not is one lot of energy and physicality all we can take. I mean you don’t take one paracetamol or ibuprofen. I do 😂😂
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 17, 2022 7:50:43 GMT
Why not is one lot of energy and physicality all we can take. I mean you don’t take one paracetamol or ibuprofen. I do 😂😂 Might as well have some Calpol.
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Post by march4 on Jun 17, 2022 8:02:59 GMT
I don't think we've had a French player before? Our best player in the last 40ish years? Mama?
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Post by tachyon on Jun 17, 2022 9:23:09 GMT
Reading's rolling xG from 2020/21 (4283 mins of Laurent) and 2021/22 (3933 mins). 20/21 was fine, 21/22 was terrible. (Blue is good, orange is bad). What happened?Defensively, (which we're probably most interested in), attempts at goal faced rose by 38% from year one to year two, attempts on target faced rose by 47%, xG faced rose by 54%. A six point deduction and four terrible/poor keepers almost got Reading relegated, but the defensive process tanked & turned into a sieve, (as did the attacking one). How did JL's stats hold up.He played box to box, (but rarely any further), but was more heavily involved in Reading's own half & left side in 2020/21. Similar, but more spread across the width of the pitch in 2021/22. Generally, JL was an above average tackler, blocker, interceptor and hoverer up of loose balls, but tackle volume, success rate, recoveries and aerial duel success rates each fell by around 14% last season. Some big drops. Those kind of actions still defined his game. He just didn't do most of them as frequently or as efficiently as he'd done in 2020/21. Pass completion rates also variously fell from 20/21 to 21/22. Attacking wise, it's a bit of an afterthought. An expected goal every 18 or so full games. More wasteful, long range shots than penalty area poaching. Has had just a couple of decent chances in the box and has put those away, but venturing that far north is the exception. Even allowing for Reading's structural collapse, you'd want the 2020/21 version and not last year's model.
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Post by LGH87 on Jun 17, 2022 9:44:58 GMT
Reading's rolling xG from 2020/21 (4283 mins of Laurent) and 2021/22 (3933 mins). View Attachment20/21 was fine, 21/22 was terrible. (Blue is good, orange is bad). What happened?Defensively, (which we're probably most interested in), attempts at goal faced rose by 38% from year one to year two, attempts on target faced rose by 47%, xG faced rose by 54%. A six point deduction and four terrible/poor keepers almost got Reading relegated, but the defensive process tanked & turned into a sieve, (as did the attacking one). How did JL's stats hold up.He played box to box, (but rarely any further), but was more heavily involved in Reading's own half & left side in 2020/21. Similar, but more spread across the width of the pitch in 2021/22. Generally, JL was an above average tackler, blocker, interceptor and hoverer up of loose balls, but tackle volume, success rate, recoveries and aerial duel success rates each fell by around 14% last season. Some big drops. Those kind of actions still defined his game. He just didn't do most of them as frequently or as efficiently as he'd done in 2020/21. Pass completion rates also variously fell from 20/21 to 21/22. Attacking wise, it's a bit of an afterthought. An expected goal every 18 or so full games. More wasteful, long range shots than penalty area poaching. Has had just a couple of decent chances in the box and has put those away, but venturing that far north is the exception. Even allowing for Reading's structural collapse, you'd want the 2020/21 version and not last year's model. Could I trouble you for the same analysis on Rinomhota please mate
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2022 9:55:05 GMT
Reading's rolling xG from 2020/21 (4283 mins of Laurent) and 2021/22 (3933 mins). <button disabled="" class="c-attachment-insert--linked o-btn--sm">Attachment Deleted</button> 20/21 was fine, 21/22 was terrible. (Blue is good, orange is bad). What happened?Defensively, (which we're probably most interested in), attempts at goal faced rose by 38% from year one to year two, attempts on target faced rose by 47%, xG faced rose by 54%. A six point deduction and four terrible/poor keepers almost got Reading relegated, but the defensive process tanked & turned into a sieve, (as did the attacking one). How did JL's stats hold up.He played box to box, (but rarely any further), but was more heavily involved in Reading's own half & left side in 2020/21. Similar, but more spread across the width of the pitch in 2021/22. Generally, JL was an above average tackler, blocker, interceptor and hoverer up of loose balls, but tackle volume, success rate, recoveries and aerial duel success rates each fell by around 14% last season. Some big drops. Those kind of actions still defined his game. He just didn't do most of them as frequently or as efficiently as he'd done in 2020/21. Pass completion rates also variously fell from 20/21 to 21/22. Attacking wise, it's a bit of an afterthought. An expected goal every 18 or so full games. More wasteful, long range shots than penalty area poaching. Has had just a couple of decent chances in the box and has put those away, but venturing that far north is the exception. Even allowing for Reading's structural collapse, you'd want the 2020/21 version and not last year's model. Always appreciate these analyses, mate
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Post by crouchbot on Jun 17, 2022 14:26:30 GMT
So Reading had Laurent, Rinomhota and Swift but were in a relegation battle all season?.. the rest of their side must've been made up of pub players then judging by how good you lot think their midfield is/was. For me Reading were the biggest underachieving side last season, better players than Luton They did have a really small squad though The thing is they were ravaged by injuries. Their best players other than Laurent and Swift…. Are Ejaria, Meite and Joao… all of them were injured for large parts of the season they only played 26, 13 & 24 times last season and is a big part of why they struggled. Add in Rinomhota, he only played 21 times as well as he had two bad injuries last season.
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Post by potterburt on Jun 17, 2022 14:37:57 GMT
Reading's rolling xG from 2020/21 (4283 mins of Laurent) and 2021/22 (3933 mins). View Attachment20/21 was fine, 21/22 was terrible. (Blue is good, orange is bad). What happened?Defensively, (which we're probably most interested in), attempts at goal faced rose by 38% from year one to year two, attempts on target faced rose by 47%, xG faced rose by 54%. A six point deduction and four terrible/poor keepers almost got Reading relegated, but the defensive process tanked & turned into a sieve, (as did the attacking one). How did JL's stats hold up.He played box to box, (but rarely any further), but was more heavily involved in Reading's own half & left side in 2020/21. Similar, but more spread across the width of the pitch in 2021/22. Generally, JL was an above average tackler, blocker, interceptor and hoverer up of loose balls, but tackle volume, success rate, recoveries and aerial duel success rates each fell by around 14% last season. Some big drops. Those kind of actions still defined his game. He just didn't do most of them as frequently or as efficiently as he'd done in 2020/21. Pass completion rates also variously fell from 20/21 to 21/22. Attacking wise, it's a bit of an afterthought. An expected goal every 18 or so full games. More wasteful, long range shots than penalty area poaching. Has had just a couple of decent chances in the box and has put those away, but venturing that far north is the exception. Even allowing for Reading's structural collapse, you'd want the 2020/21 version and not last year's model. Having a glance at the ins/outs over the 2 seasons, there’s quite a lot of personnel changes that would easily amount to the different stats of Laurent. Semedo was a DM in 20/21, the defence also had players like Gunter, Gibson, Miazga, Blackett. It’s very good to see the 2 seasons stats of Laurent but I do think it’s bit of an anomaly to say that last season Laurents stats were poor and as a result so we’re Reading. I’d be in the camp that the other player changes around the team would be the result in the overall slump and thus the individual stats too. Great analysis as always non the less 👍🏼
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Post by callas12 on Jun 17, 2022 23:40:26 GMT
If it did come to fruition & we managed to grab 2x players from Reading it got me thinking whether we've done many double hit signings from the same club before? Huth & Tuncay from Boro being the only ones I can think of the off top of my head. Dom Telford & Mark Waddington from Blackpool was a double signing but neither broke through at Stoke.
Still haunted by Cardiff acquiring Kavanagh & Thorney off us at more less the same time, definitely hurt at the time that did.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 17, 2022 23:42:17 GMT
If it did come to fruition & we managed to grab 2x players from Reading it got me thinking whether we've done many double hit signings from the same club before? Huth & Tuncay from Boro being the only ones I can think of the off top of my head. Were Crouch and Palacios at the same time?
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Post by datguy on Jun 17, 2022 23:43:49 GMT
If it did come to fruition & we managed to grab 2x players from Reading it got me thinking whether we've done many double hit signings from the same club before? Huth & Tuncay from Boro being the only ones I can think of the off top of my head. Muniesa, Bojan and half of Barcelona reserves ...
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Post by callas12 on Jun 17, 2022 23:46:33 GMT
If it did come to fruition & we managed to grab 2x players from Reading it got me thinking whether we've done many double hit signings from the same club before? Huth & Tuncay from Boro being the only ones I can think of the off top of my head. Were Crouch and Palacios at the same time? Yep good one, that had escaped me
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Post by dirtclod on Jun 18, 2022 0:00:42 GMT
If it did come to fruition & we managed to grab 2x players from Reading it got me thinking whether we've done many double hit signings from the same club before? Huth & Tuncay from Boro being the only ones I can think of the off top of my head. Muniesa, Bojan and half of Barcelona reserves ... All on one submarine?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 18, 2022 7:03:20 GMT
If it did come to fruition & we managed to grab 2x players from Reading it got me thinking whether we've done many double hit signings from the same club before? Huth & Tuncay from Boro being the only ones I can think of the off top of my head. Dom Telford & Mark Waddington from Blackpool was a double signing but neither broke through at Stoke. Still haunted by Cardiff acquiring Kavanagh & Thorney off us at more less the same time, definitely hurt at the time that did. Whitehead and Collins was the same window too.
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Post by lordb on Jun 18, 2022 7:40:03 GMT
Alan Ball signed lots of Portsmouth players Lou signed Birmingham players No window than (& how much better was that...) so it was more spread out
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Post by scfcno1fan on Jun 18, 2022 7:51:08 GMT
Were Crouch and Palacios at the same time? Yep good one, that had escaped me Davies and Lindsay from Barnsley. That one didn’t work out well…..
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jun 18, 2022 8:10:34 GMT
For those of a certain age
mark Harrison , Neville chamberlain ajd Mark chamberlain all from Port vale
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Post by roylandstoke on Jun 18, 2022 8:12:32 GMT
LIndsay- the horror.
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Post by lordherefordsknob on Jun 18, 2022 8:13:23 GMT
For those of a certain age mark Harrison , Neville chamberlain ajd Mark chamberlain all from Port vale Yes, we got these players on the cheap but I believe at the time if we hadn’t of signed Mark Chamberlain Vale would of gone into liquidation.
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Post by tachyon on Jun 18, 2022 8:16:45 GMT
Having a glance at the ins/outs over the 2 seasons, there’s quite a lot of personnel changes that would easily amount to the different stats of Laurent. Semedo was a DM in 20/21, the defence also had players like Gunter, Gibson, Miazga, Blackett. It’s very good to see the 2 seasons stats of Laurent but I do think it’s bit of an anomaly to say that last season Laurents stats were poor and as a result so we’re Reading. I’d be in the camp that the other player changes around the team would be the result in the overall slump and thus the individual stats too. Great analysis as always non the less 👍🏼 All good points. What's slightly worrying is that JL lost market share of "on the ball" defensive actions as Reading's defensive load increased and his efficiency (which tends to be more resilient to changes in team strength) also fell. He stepped back a bit, rather than forward. It was also only his second full Championship season, prior to that he's been a bit of a Conference/ L2/ L1 nomad. Now 27 (last month). DM's are fairly rare, only just over 10% of Championship mids could be classed as out and out DMs and we rank him just above average as a full blown DM compared to other Championship DMs across both seasons. Just a few caveats, really :-)
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Post by march4 on Jun 18, 2022 8:44:22 GMT
For those of a certain age mark Harrison , Neville chamberlain ajd Mark chamberlain all from Port vale Neville signed a couple of weeks later, but you are broadly correct.
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