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Post by prestwichpotter on Jun 15, 2022 12:29:43 GMT
Doubts Cast over UK scheme" One is a scheme partly-funded by the EU that evacuates African refugees to a transit facility in Rwanda, where they can make decisions about their future and be resettled elsewhere. The other is a policy that sends migrant people from a place of safety in the UK to a country where they are unlikely to have any ties............." " The UNHCR has strongly criticised the agreement between the UK and Rwanda, saying that it “threatens the international refugee protection regime”. Following a meeting with Priti Patel and Rwandan Foreign Minister Vincent Biruta in Geneva on 19 May, the UN High Commissioner for Refugees Filippo Grandi reiterated these concerns.........." "The clue, however, appears to be in the name: transit facility. This is not a permanent home, but a place where people can start to determine their futures after abuse and violence while receiving medical and psychosocial support. Just over 50% of people evacuated to Gashora have moved on to Sweden; while 26.9% have gone to Canada. 17.7% were resettled in Norway; 3.8% in France; and 0.8% in Belgium. All the people evacuated to Gashora were from other African countries.........." " The two policies are not the same – raising questions as to why the Home Office is using a different model as evidence to support the Home Secretary’s claims that the EU has resettled refugees in Rwanda. The evidence provided by the Home Office does not suggest that the evacuations carried out under the ETM are anything like the resettlement policy introduced by the UK Government – or that the EU has itself resettled refugees to Africa. “ The Government is well aware that anyone transferred to Rwanda under the scheme will not receive anything like the healthcare, accommodation, trauma rehabilitation or durable solution offered through the ETM,” Sile Reynolds added." Thanks for that. It's interesting. Looks to me though like the UK plan could very easily be adjusted to marry up to the UNHCR model - the differences are really quite small and easily accomodated. The substantial parts are the same - meaning the shipping of people to Rwanda as part of the asylum seeker process. Btw, I note the figure of 50% moving meaning, I assume, 50% of people remain in Rwanda or go back to the country they orginally came from, which I'm sure the UK Government would be quite happy with. There seems to be a number of schemes involving Rwanda over the years. There’s also one in which 4,000 asylum seekers were moved from Israel to Rwanda, I haven’t fully looked at the detail but it seems that only 12 have been identified as staying including one homeless man. The others appear to have left the country immediately and made the journey back over to Europe probably using the same people smugglers we’re allegedly trying to put out of business……
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Post by stokiemac on Jun 15, 2022 12:33:55 GMT
A decent number of the Asylum seeking people I've met were well employed in their home countries before war broke out. Much like Ukranian's who were educated and well trained professionals who now find themselves homeless. The idea that they are attracted to the most deprived parts of the UK on the promise of £40 a week is pretty laughable in practice
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jun 15, 2022 12:37:05 GMT
A decent number of the Asylum seeking people I've met were well employed in their home countries before war broke out. Much like Ukranian's who were educated and well trained professionals who now find themselves homeless. The idea that they are attracted to the most deprived parts of the UK on the promise of £40 a week is pretty laughable in practice That's my experience as well, and the ones that aren't necessarily highly qualified display plenty of the qualities that got them into the country in the first place when going into the world of work and life in general...........
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Post by Gob Bluth on Jun 15, 2022 12:39:51 GMT
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Post by Gob Bluth on Jun 15, 2022 12:43:29 GMT
A decent number of the Asylum seeking people I've met were well employed in their home countries before war broke out. Much like Ukranian's who were educated and well trained professionals who now find themselves homeless. The idea that they are attracted to the most deprived parts of the UK on the promise of £40 a week is pretty laughable in practice This country has had a huge problem with its productivity and having more people that are willing to work will only help that. I suspect few are going into jobs that don’t help with GDP like banking jobs where people just move money around.
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Post by elystokie on Jun 15, 2022 12:43:30 GMT
A decent number of the Asylum seeking people I've met were well employed in their home countries before war broke out. Much like Ukranian's who were educated and well trained professionals who now find themselves homeless. The idea that they are attracted to the most deprived parts of the UK on the promise of £40 a week is pretty laughable in practice You obviously don't read the Daily Heil
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 15, 2022 12:43:57 GMT
Thanks for that. It's interesting. Looks to me though like the UK plan could very easily be adjusted to marry up to the UNHCR model - the differences are really quite small and easily accomodated. The substantial parts are the same - meaning the shipping of people to Rwanda as part of the asylum seeker process. Btw, I note the figure of 50% moving meaning, I assume, 50% of people remain in Rwanda or go back to the country they orginally came from, which I'm sure the UK Government would be quite happy with. There seems to be a number of schemes involving Rwanda over the years. There’s also one in which 4,000 asylum seekers were moved from Israel to Rwanda, I haven’t fully looked at the detail but it seems that only 12 have been identified as staying including one homeless man. The others appear to have left the country immediately and made the journey back over to Europe probably using the same people smugglers we’re allegedly trying to put out of business…… In which case the UNHCR and EU might like to cast a critical eye over their system, whereas they seem rather pleased with it. At least in respect of what the UK is proposing which they certainly seem to think is inferior.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2022 12:44:59 GMT
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Post by stokiemac on Jun 15, 2022 12:47:50 GMT
"The government hope the Rwanda plan will deter people from being exploited" 😂😂 We are trying to deter victims from being victims of crime now? What a strange way to put it. Perhaps if we just deterred everyone from being mugged we would put muggers out of business too...we've cracked it
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jun 15, 2022 12:55:53 GMT
Pathetic if true........
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 15, 2022 13:07:02 GMT
The VRA Cricket ground is nice in fairness... If you use the following link you can plan your trip door to door: www.9292.nlIf you type in Schiphol as your starting point and the address of the Cricket Club as your destination, it sorts out the easiest and quickest route for you. www.vra.nl/en/about/contactAlternatively you could ask me nicely and I'll come and pick you up and bring you to the ground.... Cheers fella. I wouldn’t dream of troubling you for a lift and I’m running to a tight deadline as we’re attempting to get to a music festival on the day in between matches (which I’m seriously tempted to bin off in which case I’d happily come for a beer and say hello)……
Pinkpop?
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Post by noustie on Jun 15, 2022 13:07:14 GMT
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jun 15, 2022 13:10:22 GMT
Cheers fella. I wouldn’t dream of troubling you for a lift and I’m running to a tight deadline as we’re attempting to get to a music festival on the day in between matches (which I’m seriously tempted to bin off in which case I’d happily come for a beer and say hello)……
Pinkpop?
Yes mate, it's about 150 miles away so taxis/trains involved. Seemed like a good idea at the time but now I'm thinking it could be stressful when I could be roaming Amsterdam on the Saturday and having a few beers.......
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jun 15, 2022 13:11:46 GMT
Not only that, he's got the ball, dribbled towards his own goal and twatted it in there too. What is it with him? He's such a fucking gimp.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Jun 15, 2022 13:16:10 GMT
Doubts Cast over UK scheme" One is a scheme partly-funded by the EU that evacuates African refugees to a transit facility in Rwanda, where they can make decisions about their future and be resettled elsewhere. The other is a policy that sends migrant people from a place of safety in the UK to a country where they are unlikely to have any ties............." " The UNHCR has strongly criticised the agreement between the UK and Rwanda, saying that it “threatens the international refugee protection regime”. Following a meeting with Priti Patel and Rwandan Foreign Minister Vincent Biruta in Geneva on 19 May, the UN High Commissioner for Refugees Filippo Grandi reiterated these concerns.........." "The clue, however, appears to be in the name: transit facility. This is not a permanent home, but a place where people can start to determine their futures after abuse and violence while receiving medical and psychosocial support. Just over 50% of people evacuated to Gashora have moved on to Sweden; while 26.9% have gone to Canada. 17.7% were resettled in Norway; 3.8% in France; and 0.8% in Belgium. All the people evacuated to Gashora were from other African countries.........." " The two policies are not the same – raising questions as to why the Home Office is using a different model as evidence to support the Home Secretary’s claims that the EU has resettled refugees in Rwanda. The evidence provided by the Home Office does not suggest that the evacuations carried out under the ETM are anything like the resettlement policy introduced by the UK Government – or that the EU has itself resettled refugees to Africa. “ The Government is well aware that anyone transferred to Rwanda under the scheme will not receive anything like the healthcare, accommodation, trauma rehabilitation or durable solution offered through the ETM,” Sile Reynolds added." So in summary, it's absolutely fucking nothing like the UK plan.
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Post by wagsastokie on Jun 15, 2022 13:18:13 GMT
In his defence I would of thought it would be very difficult to say anything whilst having a six by six fence panel stuck up his arse
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Post by dutchstokie on Jun 15, 2022 13:24:23 GMT
Cheers fella. I wouldn’t dream of troubling you for a lift and I’m running to a tight deadline as we’re attempting to get to a music festival on the day in between matches (which I’m seriously tempted to bin off in which case I’d happily come for a beer and say hello)…… Pinkpop?
Thats a cracking festival that is........one of the oldest going ....they normally have really strong line up each year- the likes of RHCP, Fleetwood Mac, Pearl Jam, N-Dubz..... Seriosly though its a top festival
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Post by wagsastokie on Jun 15, 2022 13:24:30 GMT
What I struggle to understand why Rwanda in the first place Other than it’s been used before by the bastions of decency Israel and the eu
Wouldn’t building a few prefabs and a few huts in say the Falklands solve the issue They could be fairly processed whilst still on crown soil
And I’m sure for those winging it six months or so of counting penguins would probably act as more of a deterrent
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 15, 2022 13:37:19 GMT
Yes mate, it's about 150 miles away so taxis/trains involved. Seemed like a good idea at the time but now I'm thinking it could be stressful when I could be roaming Amsterdam on the Saturday and having a few beers....... Massive return for Pearl Jam on the Saturday, don't think I could overlook that opportunity.
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Post by phileetin on Jun 15, 2022 14:06:07 GMT
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Post by stokiemac on Jun 15, 2022 14:10:45 GMT
The torture of thousands of people week in and week out....Rwanda isn't much better either 😉
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Post by maxplonk on Jun 15, 2022 14:18:25 GMT
So as far as I understand things, the flight has been blocked by the application of the ECHR, a convention which was laid down in 1950 (long before the EU) at the behest of Winston Churchill (Johnson's Hero), drawn up (inter alia), and for a while administered by, James Fawcett (Johnson's grandfather) - and Johnson wants to quit the EHCR? But Johnson is a man without convictions, other than FPNs obviously, who will do and say anything purely for his own ends, so not really surprising that he'll happily eulogise Churchill one day, shit on his legacy the next. The main point is it's a nice dog whistle for the populists. Agreed. But as long as Johnson's own ends are unclear, the decisions he takes on the road to their achievement must be challenged if they damage the foundations of our so-called democracy.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jun 15, 2022 14:38:25 GMT
Yes mate, it's about 150 miles away so taxis/trains involved. Seemed like a good idea at the time but now I'm thinking it could be stressful when I could be roaming Amsterdam on the Saturday and having a few beers....... Massive return for Pearl Jam on the Saturday, don't think I could overlook that opportunity. The music's not my cup of tea if I'm honest looking at the line up but a couple of the lads I'm with are well excited, my excitement is leaning more towards the cricket Should be a right laugh though......
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jun 15, 2022 14:47:03 GMT
Partick Meltdown imminent...again....
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jun 15, 2022 14:49:26 GMT
There seems to be a number of schemes involving Rwanda over the years. There’s also one in which 4,000 asylum seekers were moved from Israel to Rwanda, I haven’t fully looked at the detail but it seems that only 12 have been identified as staying including one homeless man. The others appear to have left the country immediately and made the journey back over to Europe probably using the same people smugglers we’re allegedly trying to put out of business…… In which case the UNHCR and EU might like to cast a critical eye over their system, whereas they seem rather pleased with it. At least in respect of what the UK is proposing which they certainly seem to think is inferior. Letting white skinned people arrive here while excluding non whites is racist. Sending those people to a place like Rwanda with no hope of return is also racist. Hitler did similar. It's really simple and you know it.
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 15, 2022 14:51:06 GMT
In which case the UNHCR and EU might like to cast a critical eye over their system, whereas they seem rather pleased with it. At least in respect of what the UK is proposing which they certainly seem to think is inferior. Letting white skinned people arrive here while excluding non whites is racist. Sending those people to a place like Rwanda with no hope of return is also racist. Hitler did similar. It's really simple and you know it. Dumbo
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jun 15, 2022 14:51:17 GMT
Oops....
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jun 15, 2022 14:51:45 GMT
Letting white skinned people arrive here while excluding non whites is racist. Sending those people to a place like Rwanda with no hope of return is also racist. Hitler did similar. It's really simple and you know it. Dumbo Wow. Just....wow.
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 15, 2022 16:29:52 GMT
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Post by wannabee on Jun 15, 2022 18:15:20 GMT
An alternative view of the profile of Asylum Seeker Priti Patel would have fucked him off to Rwanda refuaid.org/blogAnother worthwhile but sadly limited initiative www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/uk-56936400.ampInstead Asylum Seekers remain in Limbo for months and years while the Home Office fart about In the meantime Asylum Seekers are not allowed to work, a criminal waste of potentially useful employees when some industries are crying out for people Meanwhile Asylum Seekers are given accomodation and a weekly allowance of £39.63 a week to cover Food, Sanitary and Clothing
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