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Post by knype on Jun 15, 2022 10:03:07 GMT
You are very good at mud slinging and name calling, gammons the other day and now racists... If you're supporting this Government on this, then yes, you are a racist. Over to you..... Why is someone racist for supporting the government on this? Over to you?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jun 15, 2022 10:07:50 GMT
Mostly economic migrants The question is should a country except someone who has traveled for economic reason You got any data to back that claim up mate? "Freedom of Information data and Home Office statistics for the period between January 2020 and May 2021. It shows that 91 percent of the people who crossed the Channel in small boats during that period came from ten countries affected by conflict and where human rights abuses are common. They include Iran, Syria, Iraq, Sudan, Eritrea, Afghanistan and Yemen. Nationals of those top ten countries are likely to be granted protection - 61 percent of the claims analysed for the period in question received a positive initial decision from the Home Office. “The reality is that people who come to the UK by taking terrifying journeys in small boats across the Channel do so because they are desperately seeking safety having fled persecution, terror and oppression,” said Refugee Council CEO Enver Solomon. “The report calls into question the government and Home Office’s narrative that the majority of people crossing the Channel are not in genuine need of protection.” (Source: House of Commons Library)
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jun 15, 2022 10:38:03 GMT
If you're supporting this Government on this, then yes, you are a racist. Over to you..... Why is someone racist for supporting the government on this? Over to you? Because it's a racist policy and endeavour. Do you support it?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jun 15, 2022 10:39:08 GMT
Like Priti Patel, Sajid Javid and Zahawi's parents all did? The difference is they traveled with documents by correct channels And like many migrants have added greatly to the cultural and economic success of this country Which were open channels then, they are not now.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jun 15, 2022 10:40:02 GMT
Mostly economic migrants The question is should a country except someone who has traveled for economic reason You got any data to back that claim up mate? "Freedom of Information data and Home Office statistics for the period between January 2020 and May 2021. It shows that 91 percent of the people who crossed the Channel in small boats during that period came from ten countries affected by conflict and where human rights abuses are common. They include Iran, Syria, Iraq, Sudan, Eritrea, Afghanistan and Yemen. Nationals of those top ten countries are likely to be granted protection - 61 percent of the claims analysed for the period in question received a positive initial decision from the Home Office. “The reality is that people who come to the UK by taking terrifying journeys in small boats across the Channel do so because they are desperately seeking safety having fled persecution, terror and oppression,” said Refugee Council CEO Enver Solomon. “The report calls into question the government and Home Office’s narrative that the majority of people crossing the Channel are not in genuine need of protection.” (Source: House of Commons Library) Of course he hasn't.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jun 15, 2022 10:42:05 GMT
If you accept that these are "illegal immigrants" (I don't by the way both legally and morally) then the question I would ask is "how does someone from Iraq, Syria, Eritrea, Iran etc. apply for asylum legally?"
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Post by maxplonk on Jun 15, 2022 10:55:30 GMT
They are NOT "illegal immigrants". Educate yourself. What are they then? They are asylum seekers. To seek asylum isn't a crime.
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Post by dutchstokie on Jun 15, 2022 11:00:03 GMT
I'll give this thread 10 pages.......any more takers before this nonsesne escalates?
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 15, 2022 11:01:22 GMT
Why is someone racist for supporting the government on this? Over to you? Because it's a racist policy and endeavour. Do you support it? It's also a policy and endeavour carried out by UNHCR and funded by the EU - as we have seen. So, that makes the UNHCR and the EU racist?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jun 15, 2022 11:04:16 GMT
Because it's a racist policy and endeavour. Do you support it? It's also a policy and endeavour carried out by UNHCR and funded by the EU - as we have seen. So, that makes the UNHCR and the EU racist? If you have a link, I'll happily read it and get back to you. Whataboutery doesn't really help though, it deflects.
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 15, 2022 11:07:06 GMT
It's also a policy and endeavour carried out by UNHCR and funded by the EU - as we have seen. So, that makes the UNHCR and the EU racist? If you have a link, I'll happily read it and get back to you. Whataboutery doesn't really help though, it deflects. I shared a link earlier. You even posted a critique of the implementation of the policy. Fucking dumbo.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jun 15, 2022 11:18:42 GMT
If you have a link, I'll happily read it and get back to you. Whataboutery doesn't really help though, it deflects. I shared a link earlier. You even posted a critique of the implementation of the policy. Fucking dumbo. Apologies, I really don't have time to filter through all your many posts. And there is no need to be so rude is there?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jun 15, 2022 11:21:12 GMT
I'll give this thread 10 pages.......any more takers before this nonsesne escalates? One mans nonsense is another mans debating whilst having a bit of time to spare. You could always stay off it of course
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Post by knype on Jun 15, 2022 11:21:43 GMT
I shared a link earlier. You even posted a critique of the implementation of the policy. Fucking dumbo. Apologies, I really don't have time to filter through all your many posts. And there is no need to be so rude is there? Coming from someone calling people racist and gammons
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jun 15, 2022 11:24:07 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jun 15, 2022 11:24:57 GMT
Apologies, I really don't have time to filter through all your many posts. And there is no need to be so rude is there? Coming from someone calling people racist and gammons And of course someone lacking the intelligence to know the difference?
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 15, 2022 11:26:24 GMT
If you accept that these are "illegal immigrants" (I don't by the way both legally and morally) then the question I would ask is "how does someone from Iraq, Syria, Eritrea, Iran etc. apply for asylum legally?" They should go to their local post ofice before they set out. Bring three forms of id and sworn affidavits from character witnesses. No excuse. No doubt some of them play the carpet bombed card. Or the 'my family was murdered and I'm next' card.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jun 15, 2022 11:33:05 GMT
Doubts Cast over UK scheme" One is a scheme partly-funded by the EU that evacuates African refugees to a transit facility in Rwanda, where they can make decisions about their future and be resettled elsewhere. The other is a policy that sends migrant people from a place of safety in the UK to a country where they are unlikely to have any ties............." " The UNHCR has strongly criticised the agreement between the UK and Rwanda, saying that it “threatens the international refugee protection regime”. Following a meeting with Priti Patel and Rwandan Foreign Minister Vincent Biruta in Geneva on 19 May, the UN High Commissioner for Refugees Filippo Grandi reiterated these concerns.........." "The clue, however, appears to be in the name: transit facility. This is not a permanent home, but a place where people can start to determine their futures after abuse and violence while receiving medical and psychosocial support. Just over 50% of people evacuated to Gashora have moved on to Sweden; while 26.9% have gone to Canada. 17.7% were resettled in Norway; 3.8% in France; and 0.8% in Belgium. All the people evacuated to Gashora were from other African countries.........." " The two policies are not the same – raising questions as to why the Home Office is using a different model as evidence to support the Home Secretary’s claims that the EU has resettled refugees in Rwanda. The evidence provided by the Home Office does not suggest that the evacuations carried out under the ETM are anything like the resettlement policy introduced by the UK Government – or that the EU has itself resettled refugees to Africa. “ The Government is well aware that anyone transferred to Rwanda under the scheme will not receive anything like the healthcare, accommodation, trauma rehabilitation or durable solution offered through the ETM,” Sile Reynolds added."
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Post by xchpotter on Jun 15, 2022 11:33:12 GMT
I'll give this thread 10 pages.......any more takers before this nonsesne escalates? It already has the entirely predictable hallmarks of a locked thread and consequently mission accomplished.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jun 15, 2022 11:36:45 GMT
If you accept that these are "illegal immigrants" (I don't by the way both legally and morally) then the question I would ask is "how does someone from Iraq, Syria, Eritrea, Iran etc. apply for asylum legally?" They should go to their local post ofice before they set out. Bring three forms of id and sworn affidavits from character witnesses. No excuse. No doubt some of them play the carpet bombed card. Or the 'my family was murdered and I'm next' card. Too right. A quick trip to Kabul post office to apply for a new passport, wait for the Hermes delivery man to deliver it, then on to Kabul International Airport for a one way ticket to the UK before arriving into Heathrow and announcing your intention to seek asylum. Why are these people making such hard work of it?
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Post by elystokie on Jun 15, 2022 11:44:50 GMT
They should go to their local post ofice before they set out. Bring three forms of id and sworn affidavits from character witnesses. No excuse. No doubt some of them play the carpet bombed card. Or the 'my family was murdered and I'm next' card. Too right. A quick trip to Kabul post office to apply for a new passport, wait for the Hermes delivery man to deliver it, then on to Kabul International Airport for a one way ticket to the UK before arriving into Heathrow and announcing your intention to seek asylum. Why are these people making such hard work of it? Well in wags world they're probably waiting to complete on the sale of their 4 bed detached villa before starting on the immigration paperwork, you never know, there might be contractual wranglings over the indoor pool
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jun 15, 2022 11:48:23 GMT
Too right. A quick trip to Kabul post office to apply for a new passport, wait for the Hermes delivery man to deliver it, then on to Kabul International Airport for a one way ticket to the UK before arriving into Heathrow and announcing your intention to seek asylum. Why are these people making such hard work of it? Well in wags world they're probably waiting to complete on the sale of their 4 bed detached villa before starting on the immigration paperwork, you never know, there might be contractual wranglings over the indoor pool Yeah a massive great crater caused by an American cluster bomb probably......
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Post by knype on Jun 15, 2022 11:57:00 GMT
Coming from someone calling people racist and gammons And of course someone lacking the intelligence to know the difference? Boring now, carry on with the mud slinging and name calling anyway to anyone who doesn't agree with you and your alter ego's
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jun 15, 2022 12:05:12 GMT
So as far as I understand things, the flight has been blocked by the application of the ECHR, a convention which was laid down in 1950 (long before the EU) at the behest of Winston Churchill (Johnson's Hero), drawn up (inter alia), and for a while administered by, James Fawcett (Johnson's grandfather) - and Johnson wants to quit the EHCR? But Johnson is a man without convictions, other than FPNs obviously, who will do and say anything purely for his own ends, so not really surprising that he'll happily eulogise Churchill one day, shit on his legacy the next. The main point is it's a nice dog whistle for the populists.
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Post by dutchstokie on Jun 15, 2022 12:07:42 GMT
I'll give this thread 10 pages.......any more takers before this nonsesne escalates? One mans nonsense is another mans debating whilst having a bit of time to spare. You could always stay off it of course This isnt really debating though is it.......the first whiff of anything either side of the flimsy topic that someone gets upset about its 'so are you saying that ?', 'racist' and all the other nonsense that goes with it. I think it was John Cleese (but mostly likely wrong) who said "just because youre offended doesnt make you right" Its all just a load of old bollox about nothing really Anyway thats my take on it so 'nerr'....
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jun 15, 2022 12:10:17 GMT
One mans nonsense is another mans debating whilst having a bit of time to spare. You could always stay off it of course This isnt really debating though is it.......the first whiff of anything either side of the flimsy topic that someone gets upset about its 'so are you saying that ?', 'racist' and all the other nonsense that goes with it. I think it was John Cleese (but mostly likely wrong) who said "just because youre offended doesnt make you right" Its all just a load of old bollox about nothing really Anyway thats my take on it so 'nerr'.... In fairness your take on pretty much everything is "Its all just a load of old bollox about nothing really" Anyway I'm flying out to Amsterdam tomorrow for the cricket so what's this ground in Amstelveen like and is it easy to get to?
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 15, 2022 12:14:09 GMT
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Post by dutchstokie on Jun 15, 2022 12:20:43 GMT
This isnt really debating though is it.......the first whiff of anything either side of the flimsy topic that someone gets upset about its 'so are you saying that ?', 'racist' and all the other nonsense that goes with it. I think it was John Cleese (but mostly likely wrong) who said "just because youre offended doesnt make you right" Its all just a load of old bollox about nothing really Anyway thats my take on it so 'nerr'.... In fairness your take on pretty much everything is "Its all just a load of old bollox about nothing really" Anyway I'm flying out to Amsterdam tomorrow for the cricket so what's this ground in Amstelveen like and is it easy to get to? The VRA Cricket ground is nice in fairness... If you use the following link you can plan your trip door to door: www.9292.nlIf you type in Schiphol as your starting point and the address of the Cricket Club as your destination, it sorts out the easiest and quickest route for you. www.vra.nl/en/about/contactAlternatively you could ask me nicely and I'll come and pick you up and bring you to the ground....
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 15, 2022 12:24:59 GMT
Doubts Cast over UK scheme" One is a scheme partly-funded by the EU that evacuates African refugees to a transit facility in Rwanda, where they can make decisions about their future and be resettled elsewhere. The other is a policy that sends migrant people from a place of safety in the UK to a country where they are unlikely to have any ties............." " The UNHCR has strongly criticised the agreement between the UK and Rwanda, saying that it “threatens the international refugee protection regime”. Following a meeting with Priti Patel and Rwandan Foreign Minister Vincent Biruta in Geneva on 19 May, the UN High Commissioner for Refugees Filippo Grandi reiterated these concerns.........." "The clue, however, appears to be in the name: transit facility. This is not a permanent home, but a place where people can start to determine their futures after abuse and violence while receiving medical and psychosocial support. Just over 50% of people evacuated to Gashora have moved on to Sweden; while 26.9% have gone to Canada. 17.7% were resettled in Norway; 3.8% in France; and 0.8% in Belgium. All the people evacuated to Gashora were from other African countries.........." " The two policies are not the same – raising questions as to why the Home Office is using a different model as evidence to support the Home Secretary’s claims that the EU has resettled refugees in Rwanda. The evidence provided by the Home Office does not suggest that the evacuations carried out under the ETM are anything like the resettlement policy introduced by the UK Government – or that the EU has itself resettled refugees to Africa. “ The Government is well aware that anyone transferred to Rwanda under the scheme will not receive anything like the healthcare, accommodation, trauma rehabilitation or durable solution offered through the ETM,” Sile Reynolds added." Thanks for that. It's interesting. Looks to me though like the UK plan could very easily be adjusted to marry up to the UNHCR model - the differences are really quite small and easily accomodated. The substantial parts are the same - meaning the shipping of people to Rwanda as part of the asylum seeker process. Btw, I note the figure of 50% moving meaning, I assume, 50% of people remain in Rwanda or go back to the country they orginally came from, which I'm sure the UK Government would be quite happy with.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jun 15, 2022 12:26:24 GMT
In fairness your take on pretty much everything is "Its all just a load of old bollox about nothing really" Anyway I'm flying out to Amsterdam tomorrow for the cricket so what's this ground in Amstelveen like and is it easy to get to? The VRA Cricket ground is nice in fairness... If you use the following link you can plan your trip door to door: www.9292.nlIf you type in Schiphol as your starting point and the address of the Cricket Club as your destination, it sorts out the easiest and quickest route for you. www.vra.nl/en/about/contactAlternatively you could ask me nicely and I'll come and pick you up and bring you to the ground.... Cheers fella. I wouldn’t dream of troubling you for a lift and I’m running to a tight deadline as we’re attempting to get to a music festival on the day in between matches (which I’m seriously tempted to bin off in which case I’d happily come for a beer and say hello)……
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