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Post by prestwichpotter on Jun 15, 2022 6:31:49 GMT
All these for and against arguments aren't really getting us anywhere. It's obvious we can't expect France to unfairly take in all refugees just because they're closer. Unless of course people are willing to fund them for it. So maybe instead of going around in circles, we should come up with actual alternative solutions, for which I haven't seen any yet. The long term solution is to not have a foreign policy that indiscriminately bombs the shit out of countries causing a global refugee crisis that we see an absolute tiny fraction of the fallout. The short term solution is to allow people to apply for asylum without having to make the perilous journey over the Channel in a dinghy. Over 90% come from 10 of the poorest and war torn countries in the world, we know the routes they take and could set up processing centres similar to those people from Ukraine to apply for a visa remotely……..
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Jun 15, 2022 6:36:06 GMT
Imagine if they put as much effort and money into going after the trafficking gangs than they are this ridiculous Rwanda bollocks.
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 15, 2022 6:43:19 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jun 15, 2022 6:51:37 GMT
Whatever your view on the legality of the possible flights, it should be remembered that these are not British Citizens that are being extradited, but illegal immigrants that have arrived mainly with the help of exploitative criminal gangs. They should not be here. Also we are not seeking to return them to a country that they may have fled from, allegedly for fear of persecution and their life, but they are going to good standard accomodation in a country that is keen to welcome them. If we commence flights and deter some future illegal immigrants, then we should accept the forced extradition as necessary. Many migrants could seek protection or asylum in France, which is their stepping off point, but for some reason Britain has always been seen as a soft touch and an easy option. Not any more. They are NOT "illegal immigrants". Educate yourself.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jun 15, 2022 6:52:31 GMT
Thought I'd wandered into an EDL rally on Jonathan Gullis' Facebook post. Oh and 'lefty lawyers' erm, you mean, the law? Divisive and angry as ever. He's thicker than a submarine door, if one of my kids had the misfortune of being taught by that clown I'd be devastated......... Appalled and angered to say he is currently my MP.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jun 15, 2022 6:53:57 GMT
Suck total ignorence being displayed by you and all that agree with you They are not illegal immigrants they are Asylum Seekers under International Law until such time as their status has been determined If the Home Office spent more time in the speedy determination of the Asylum Seekers applications rather than people being stuck in Limbo for years When the Home Office finally gets off its arse and processes applications more than 75% are found to be granted as genuine A complaint is often made that the minority not entitled to Refugee Status deliberately destroy their documentation making it impossible to return them to original country I'll give them a Fucking Solution, if someone fails to fully cooperate with the Asylum Application Process I would hold them indefinitely in detention until such time as they do rather than Fucking Everyone off to Rwanda without even reviewing their application As we all know, if the migrants wish to be regarded as "Asylum Seekers under International Law", then that International Law requires that they seek asylum in the first safe country that they arrive in. There is no suggestion that they should seek to choose their final destination. Again, incorrect. Educate yourself.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jun 15, 2022 6:58:46 GMT
Reading this thread, you can see why these policies appeal to the under-informed and ignorant.
Almost as if they'd been designed to do so, for votes...it's like the Brexit immigration argument all over again.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jun 15, 2022 7:03:09 GMT
Reading this thread, you can see why these policies appeal to the under-informed and ignorant. Almost as if they'd been designed to do so, for votes...it's like the Brexit immigration argument all over again. And sadly the racists, which we've always had on here as well.
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Post by noustie on Jun 15, 2022 7:05:18 GMT
Vote of confidence gone quiet aye? Aim will be to distract until they fuck off on holiday
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Post by Gob Bluth on Jun 15, 2022 7:09:55 GMT
Reading this thread, you can see why these policies appeal to the under-informed and ignorant. Almost as if they'd been designed to do so, for votes...it's like the Brexit immigration argument all over again. People endlessly leaving Milan, Paris and Barcelona to get a better life in Milton Keynes, least we’ve solved that problem. People tend to point out that our welfare system is soft, the question I have is why is it ok for a British person to get them and someone born in a different country not to? Migration is a positive thing and if you think someone is travelling across the country, risking their life to sit on their arse you might want to start questioning if that’s really the case.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Jun 15, 2022 7:26:44 GMT
As we all know, if the migrants wish to be regarded as "Asylum Seekers under International Law", then that International Law demands that they seek asylum in the first safe country that they arrive in. There is no suggestion that they should seek to choose their final destination. Pressed wrong buttons in my anger You really need to educate yourself before making incorrect statements. In all fairness, it is most likely that SomersetStokie probably voted to leave that particular rule.
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Post by sticky on Jun 15, 2022 7:52:18 GMT
All these for and against arguments aren't really getting us anywhere. It's obvious we can't expect France to unfairly take in all refugees just because they're closer. Unless of course people are willing to fund them for it. So maybe instead of going around in circles, we should come up with actual alternative solutions, for which I haven't seen any yet. Good point.. I’d go back a step further though and ask why is there such a divide in attitudes concerning immigration..without slamming people “left wing loony’s” or “right wing filth”😂 people have genuine concerns both ways and until they’re addressed the division gets bigger…integration seems to be a massive problem as it is
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Post by GrahamHyde on Jun 15, 2022 8:14:02 GMT
The scary thing is that they won effectively a landslide majority. That means a massive proportion of the population here have the same mindset, but hide it. So many people pretending they're not Tory yet supporting them at the ballot box as they align with their thinking.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jun 15, 2022 8:21:32 GMT
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Post by elystokie on Jun 15, 2022 8:56:47 GMT
He's thicker than a submarine door, if one of my kids had the misfortune of being taught by that clown I'd be devastated......... Appalled and angered to say he is currently my MP. There doesn't seem to be an awful lot of love for him on Twitter. A lot of disbelief that he was actually a teacher tho
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 15, 2022 8:59:01 GMT
Thought I'd wandered into an EDL rally on Jonathan Gullis' Facebook post. Oh and 'lefty lawyers' erm, you mean, the law? Divisive and angry as ever. Lefties. Like Winston Churchill. Ferfuxache
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Post by knype on Jun 15, 2022 9:26:28 GMT
Whatever your view on the legality of the possible flights, it should be remembered that these are not British Citizens that are being extradited, but illegal immigrants that have arrived mainly with the help of exploitative criminal gangs. They should not be here. Also we are not seeking to return them to a country that they may have fled from, allegedly for fear of persecution and their life, but they are going to good standard accomodation in a country that is keen to welcome them. If we commence flights and deter some future illegal immigrants, then we should accept the forced extradition as necessary. Many migrants could seek protection or asylum in France, which is their stepping off point, but for some reason Britain has always been seen as a soft touch and an easy option. Not any more. They are NOT "illegal immigrants". Educate yourself. What are they then?
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Post by knype on Jun 15, 2022 9:27:19 GMT
The scary thing is that they won effectively a landslide majority. That means a massive proportion of the population here have the same mindset, but hide it. So many people pretending they're not Tory yet supporting them at the ballot box as they align with their thinking. Or that the opposition is so clueless and weak they feel they have no choice, or choose not to vote at all?
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Post by knype on Jun 15, 2022 9:28:49 GMT
Reading this thread, you can see why these policies appeal to the under-informed and ignorant. Almost as if they'd been designed to do so, for votes...it's like the Brexit immigration argument all over again. And sadly the racists, which we've always had on here as well. You are very good at mud slinging and name calling, gammons the other day and now racists...
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Post by dutchstokie on Jun 15, 2022 9:35:03 GMT
Wheres my popcorn ?
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Post by maxplonk on Jun 15, 2022 9:43:38 GMT
So as far as I understand things, the flight has been blocked by the application of the ECHR, a convention which was laid down in 1950 (long before the EU) at the behest of Winston Churchill (Johnson's Hero), drawn up (inter alia), and for a while administered by, James Fawcett (Johnson's grandfather) - and Johnson wants to quit the EHCR?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jun 15, 2022 9:50:46 GMT
And sadly the racists, which we've always had on here as well. You are very good at mud slinging and name calling, gammons the other day and now racists... If you're supporting this Government on this, then yes, you are a racist. Over to you.....
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jun 15, 2022 9:50:53 GMT
They are NOT "illegal immigrants". Educate yourself. What are they then? They're human beings first and foremost. But this will help to clarify: Can refugees be illegal?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jun 15, 2022 9:50:59 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jun 15, 2022 9:51:25 GMT
I wouldn't bother mate, his mind is made up.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jun 15, 2022 9:52:18 GMT
And sadly the racists, which we've always had on here as well. You are very good at mud slinging and name calling, gammons the other day and now racists... What more would you expect from a woke snowflake?
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Post by wagsastokie on Jun 15, 2022 9:54:31 GMT
They are NOT "illegal immigrants". Educate yourself. What are they then? Mostly economic migrants The question is should a country except someone who has traveled for economic reason
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jun 15, 2022 9:55:35 GMT
Mostly economic migrants The question is should a country except someone who has traveled for economic reason Like Priti Patel, Sajid Javid and Zahawi's parents all did?
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Post by wagsastokie on Jun 15, 2022 9:55:41 GMT
You are very good at mud slinging and name calling, gammons the other day and now racists... If you're supporting this Government on this, then yes, you are a racist. Over to you..... 🥱
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Post by wagsastokie on Jun 15, 2022 9:58:51 GMT
Mostly economic migrants The question is should a country except someone who has traveled for economic reason Like Priti Patel, Sajid Javid and Zahawi's parents all did? The difference is they traveled with documents by correct channels And like many migrants have added greatly to the cultural and economic success of this country
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