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Post by mowlee on Jun 9, 2022 9:58:51 GMT
souttar.. jagileka.. forester.. flint.. Taylor.. afew centres backs.. an like a said.. Tymons not a left back.. he’s always preferred a back 3 None of which should play on the left of a three and more than half of them would be competing for the same spot, seems pointless. it does seem a very pointless but it mon we’re debating about here.. his preferred formation since he’s been here has been a back 3.. an signing yet another centre kind of cerments that’s the way he’s going
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 9, 2022 10:01:22 GMT
As much as we try, I don't think it's realistic to expect fans not to comment on the track record of a soon-to-be 33yo with 400 league games. He is what he is at this stage. And, to be fair, as a meat-and-two-veg centre-half, he may be okay. But it's just asking where a meat-and-two-veg centre-back, with well-defined strengths and weaknessnes, would fit into things here, given what we have seemingly aimed to be over the last 2 seasons There’s no discussion though is there FM Words like he’s shit etc serve no purpose and isn’t a discussion Odimwingie was slaughtered but look how they turned out so just a little patience wouldn’t go a miss and give the lad a chance …..he’s 8 years younger than Jagielka People do. I said Odemwingie was shit. If I was picking an all time PL matchday squad for us I'd have him on the bench in that. I don't get why people get so arsed by it.
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Post by werrington on Jun 9, 2022 10:03:31 GMT
There’s no discussion though is there FM Words like he’s shit etc serve no purpose and isn’t a discussion Odimwingie was slaughtered but look how they turned out so just a little patience wouldn’t go a miss and give the lad a chance …..he’s 8 years younger than Jagielka People do. I said Odemwingie was shit. If I was picking an all time PL matchday squad for us I'd have him on the bench in that. I don't get why people get so arsed by it. Discuss what he can or cannot bring and wether he’ll fit the formations used by O’Neill To just write him of as “shit” is not discussing
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 9, 2022 10:07:08 GMT
People do. I said Odemwingie was shit. If I was picking an all time PL matchday squad for us I'd have him on the bench in that. I don't get why people get so arsed by it. Discuss what he can or cannot bring and wether he’ll fit the formations used by O’Neill To just write him of as “shit” is not discussing It's an opinion though. And it's doing no harm really.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 9, 2022 10:08:04 GMT
None of which should play on the left of a three and more than half of them would be competing for the same spot, seems pointless. it does seem a very pointless but it mon we’re debating about here.. his preferred formation since he’s been here has been a back 3.. an signing yet another centre kind of cerments that’s the way he’s going Its so depressing, maybe it'll be a 4 and we'll all get a surprise.
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Post by windows1 on Jun 9, 2022 10:11:16 GMT
If he is an upgrade of batth or chester then for a back up player its a really good signing. He will chip in with a couple of goals.Split games with jags.
Hopefully we sign a youngish loan CB (and RB) and start playing 2 at the back. Between wilmot soutter jags flint new CB we should be fine.
Having someone who's played 400 championship games cant be sniffed at! At times its exsctly what we were missing last season.
Decent signing IF its be followed by more quality.
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Post by thewonderstuff on Jun 9, 2022 10:12:28 GMT
The first step on the road of our upgrade up to 64 points and twelfth. What a time to be alive!
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Post by mowlee on Jun 9, 2022 10:14:25 GMT
it does seem a very pointless but it mon we’re debating about here.. his preferred formation since he’s been here has been a back 3.. an signing yet another centre kind of cerments that’s the way he’s going Its so depressing, maybe it'll be a 4 and we'll all get a surprise. depressing it is mate.. can’t see it ending well for mon at all
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Post by thevoid on Jun 9, 2022 10:30:52 GMT
Wow, we've beaten Derby to him. That's like beating Stevie Wonder at darts.
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Post by potterpaul on Jun 9, 2022 10:40:30 GMT
Seems the recruitment process has gone to shit again. I really felt that we were at least looking for the right type of player to compliment the mix of promising youngsters and ageing experience. While not getting it 100% right, there was a degree of optimism in the past few windows. With our current situation (FFP restrictions) it was important to become smarter but it's not to be is it.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 9, 2022 10:49:32 GMT
Wow, we've beaten Derby to him. That's like beating Stevie Wonder at darts. I’ve no doubt Stevie “Bullseye” Wonder would beat me at darts!
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Post by cvillestokie on Jun 9, 2022 10:52:27 GMT
Further to his earlier link, Nixon now seems to think he's signing. Could still be absolutely nothing. If we are going with a flat back four, then Taylor and likely Forrester should probably head out on loan. Souttar, Wilmot, Flint, Jagielka represent four centre back choices for two spots. I do wonder, if we do sign him are we considering Taylor and Forrester long-term but don't want to get in the way of their current development? Why else would we sign old central defenders on short deals?
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Post by mowlee on Jun 9, 2022 10:56:13 GMT
Further to his earlier link, Nixon now seems to think he's signing. Could still be absolutely nothing. If we are going with a flat back four, then Taylor and likely Forrester should probably head out on loan. Souttar, Wilmot, Flint, Jagielka represent four centre back choices for two spots. I do wonder, if we do sign him are we considering Taylor and Forrester long-term but don't want to get in the way of their current development? Why else would we sign old central defenders on short deals? no chance it’s going too be a flat back 4
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Post by foster on Jun 9, 2022 10:56:14 GMT
Zero excitement for this signing. Let's see how he plays (if he signs).
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 9, 2022 11:08:08 GMT
Further to his earlier link, Nixon now seems to think he's signing. Could still be absolutely nothing. If we are going with a flat back four, then Taylor and likely Forrester should probably head out on loan. Souttar, Wilmot, Flint, Jagielka represent four centre back choices for two spots. I do wonder, if we do sign him are we considering Taylor and Forrester long-term but don't want to get in the way of their current development? Why else would we sign old central defenders on short deals? Could be - but he's out on a limb now so I'd be a bit surprised if there was nothing in it. I agree on Taylor and Forrester - they'll both probably be loaned out. So we obviously need at least one more body in there, even if we switch to a four. I think it makes loads more sense if we're switching to a four, given we've brought in someone who probably can't play anywhere but the middle of a three, where Souttar and Jagielka would be ahead of him. A more athletic left-sider, better on the ball, would have been the obvious addition if we were still largely going to play in a three. Unless we see another central defender coming in? Souttar isn't slow when he gets going (and neither surprisingly is Jagielka)...but a possible back 4 with two 6' 6" centre-backs (or Jagielka) is probably going to have to function in a very different way to the back 3 with the likes of Wilmot, THB, Ostigard from last season, so it could be a bit of a departure. Wilmot was brought in very much to play in the three too, so it's all up in the air really, especially as Wilmot barely played anywhere but RB/RWB after Christmas.
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Post by iglugluk on Jun 9, 2022 11:09:14 GMT
Reading what the Cardiff fans have got to say about him doesn't exactly fill me with optimism about the guy as a player. What an exciting way to open our dealings this summer.. not!!
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Post by scfc75 on Jun 9, 2022 11:17:01 GMT
Reading what the Cardiff fans have got to say about him doesn't exactly fill me with optimism about the guy as a player. What an exciting way to open our dealings this summer.. not!! I imagine Forest fans thought the same when hopping on here to read up on Surridge.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2022 11:27:59 GMT
Hope we get Flint. Kind of player we've been lacking. Like the idea of a Flint and Souttar pairing ...eventually
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Jun 9, 2022 11:32:27 GMT
Would this be a one year deal? Please say it is. I guess there's a concern that Souttar might not be fully fit for the start of the season and our lack of height/aerial ability in defence might be a concern, but longer than a year and Forrester and Taylor might be a tad concerned.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jun 9, 2022 12:08:40 GMT
This is our new target man.
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Post by cvillestokie on Jun 9, 2022 12:12:31 GMT
Could still be absolutely nothing. If we are going with a flat back four, then Taylor and likely Forrester should probably head out on loan. Souttar, Wilmot, Flint, Jagielka represent four centre back choices for two spots. I do wonder, if we do sign him are we considering Taylor and Forrester long-term but don't want to get in the way of their current development? Why else would we sign old central defenders on short deals? Could be - but he's out on a limb now so I'd be a bit surprised if there was nothing in it. I agree on Taylor and Forrester - they'll both probably be loaned out. So we obviously need at least one more body in there, even if we switch to a four. I think it makes loads more sense if we're switching to a four, given we've brought in someone who probably can't play anywhere but the middle of a three, where Souttar and Jagielka would be ahead of him. A more athletic left-sider, better on the ball, would have been the obvious addition if we were still largely going to play in a three. Unless we see another central defender coming in? Souttar isn't slow when he gets going (and neither surprisingly is Jagielka)...but a possible back 4 with two 6' 6" centre-backs (or Jagielka) is probably going to have to function in a very different way to the back 3 with the likes of Wilmot, THB, Ostigard from last season, so it could be a bit of a departure. Wilmot was brought in very much to play in the three too, so it's all up in the air really, especially as Wilmot barely played anywhere but RB/RWB after Christmas. Out on a limb, but his metric is not how many he gets right (or he’d wait for as long as possible for calling it) but if he ever beats others to the punch. Of course, he still can’t get them all wrong. I’d be frustrated if we brought in another central defender to be honest. There are too many big holes in the team, never mind the squad, that need filling. At present, we’d have the four I mentioned who can play central defender. However, we don’t have a target man, a defensive midfielder or a right back. If the goal is to have Wilmot play at right back (hopefully not) then we should keep Taylor or Forrester. I have no major issue with short term deals on older players as we can allow our better young talent to flourish on loan. They each need a full season of games, not 10 or so that they would likely get here. Playing 50 at a lower level will be better for them (in my opinion). Let’s just hope there is a long term plan behind this one!
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jun 9, 2022 12:15:56 GMT
Could be - but he's out on a limb now so I'd be a bit surprised if there was nothing in it. I agree on Taylor and Forrester - they'll both probably be loaned out. So we obviously need at least one more body in there, even if we switch to a four. I think it makes loads more sense if we're switching to a four, given we've brought in someone who probably can't play anywhere but the middle of a three, where Souttar and Jagielka would be ahead of him. A more athletic left-sider, better on the ball, would have been the obvious addition if we were still largely going to play in a three. Unless we see another central defender coming in? Souttar isn't slow when he gets going (and neither surprisingly is Jagielka)...but a possible back 4 with two 6' 6" centre-backs (or Jagielka) is probably going to have to function in a very different way to the back 3 with the likes of Wilmot, THB, Ostigard from last season, so it could be a bit of a departure. Wilmot was brought in very much to play in the three too, so it's all up in the air really, especially as Wilmot barely played anywhere but RB/RWB after Christmas. Out on a limb, but his metric is not how many he gets right (or he’d wait for as long as possible for calling it) but if he ever beats others to the punch. Of course, he still can’t get them all wrong. I’d be frustrated if we brought in another central defender to be honest. There are too many big holes in the team, never mind the squad, that need filling. At present, we’d have the four I mentioned who can play central defender. However, we don’t have a target man, a defensive midfielder or a right back. If the goal is to have Wilmot play at right back (hopefully not) then we should keep Taylor or Forrester. I have no major issue with short term deals on older players as we can allow our better young talent to flourish on loan. They each need a full season of games, not 10 or so that they would likely get here. Playing 50 at a lower level will be better for them (in my opinion). Let’s just hope there is a long term plan behind this one! You can't just sign players in the order you need them though, however pleasing that would be. He'll be cover for the CB role and will probably play here and there, against the more physical teams where we have struggled. Not every signing is a masterpiece, sometimes players just become available. He's not someone you might think we need but we have lost Batth, Chester and Moore. Dunno. It's just one of those signings isn't it?
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Post by Billy the kid on Jun 9, 2022 12:19:43 GMT
Isn't it great that we are now the level where we are singing none entities of players.
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Post by cvillestokie on Jun 9, 2022 12:20:51 GMT
Out on a limb, but his metric is not how many he gets right (or he’d wait for as long as possible for calling it) but if he ever beats others to the punch. Of course, he still can’t get them all wrong. I’d be frustrated if we brought in another central defender to be honest. There are too many big holes in the team, never mind the squad, that need filling. At present, we’d have the four I mentioned who can play central defender. However, we don’t have a target man, a defensive midfielder or a right back. If the goal is to have Wilmot play at right back (hopefully not) then we should keep Taylor or Forrester. I have no major issue with short term deals on older players as we can allow our better young talent to flourish on loan. They each need a full season of games, not 10 or so that they would likely get here. Playing 50 at a lower level will be better for them (in my opinion). Let’s just hope there is a long term plan behind this one! You can't just sign players in the order you need them though, however pleasing that would be. He'll be cover for the CB role and will probably play here and there, against the more physical teams where we have struggled. Not every signing is a masterpiece, sometimes players just become available. He's not someone you might think we need but we have lost Batth, Chester and Moore. Dunno. It's just one of those signings isn't it? Like i said, I don’t mind this signing as long as it’s a one year deal and the eventual plan is to give Forrester and Taylor their shots (if they deserve them next season). I personally wouldn’t like to bring in another central defender thereafter is what I’m saying. While you don’t just sign players one by one, you do have a budget and we do have decent coverage in central defense with Flint’s (possible) arrival. Bringing in another will limit how far we could stretch our budget for a key signing in another team, rather than squad, position.
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Post by cvillestokie on Jun 9, 2022 12:21:40 GMT
Isn't it great that we are now the level where we are singing none entities of players. To be fair, he would have ranked as one of our top scorers last year if he’d have got 6 in the season with us.
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Post by Billy the kid on Jun 9, 2022 12:24:23 GMT
Isn't it great that we are now the level where we are singing none entities of players. To be fair, he would have ranked as one of our top scorers last year if he’d have got 6 in the season with us. That says more about us than it does about him to be fair.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 9, 2022 12:31:09 GMT
Isn't it great that we are now the level where we are singing none entities of players. None entities🙄we really do have some arsewipes post on here 209 appearances for Bristol City 39 appearances for Boro 86 appearances for Cardiff A real non entity that🙄
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2022 12:39:23 GMT
Hes 6ft 6 and averages a goal ever 6 or 7 games.
That's better than pretty much all of our squad.
I'm not overly arsed at what his "progressive passing" stats are, nor his ability to bring it out from the back.
Sign the fucker up. And stick the ball on his noggin.
Chester out / Flint in = improvement.
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Post by thevoid on Jun 9, 2022 12:42:41 GMT
Isn't it great that we are now the level where we are singing none entities of players. None entities🙄we really do have some arsewipes post on here 209 appearances for Bristol City 39 appearances for Boro 86 appearances for Cardiff A real non entity that🙄 Quite the CV that!
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Post by gaznandi on Jun 9, 2022 12:43:40 GMT
Isn't it great that we are now the level where we are singing none entities of players. None entities🙄we really do have some arsewipes post on here 209 appearances for Bristol City 39 appearances for Boro 86 appearances for Cardiff A real non entity that🙄 Tbf, he does say we're singing non entities as opposed to signing non entities 😉
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